DUST Search - New weapons and ranges

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

@Fizzer94

Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that.

They take skill to use. Nothing is worse than sneaking up on a guy and them moving, you missing your second strike, and having them kill you. Plus if they were camping they should be dead anyway. It would be inevitable because any weapon + headshots kills extremely fast if the opponent is camping. Plus if you do hit one guy, they can just backpeddle and not be touched by you...
The ion pistol is what I'm worried about...but the Rail Rifle was exactly what I thought it would be like by what you put.

The downside of the Ion Pistol would be its accuracy.

Ion Pistol does a lot of DPS, at the cost of range and accuracy

Flaylock gets splash at the cost of rounds per magazine and DPS

Scrambler Pistol Is a headshot beast at the cost of being mediocre

Bolt Pistol gets extra rounds per magazine and extra range at the cost of DPS

Scrambler Pistol is far too accurate for it's damage. Owned a guy at I think 20-30m by headshotting him. And NO I didn't use the OP Tac Scrambler Pistol. I used the assault...it's just far too good for a sidearm. Only drawback is ammo capacity which can be fixed by upgrading that.


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Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 534	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:32:00 - [1] - Quote They won't nerf the AR. Mostly because they are afraid of 80% of the players leaving.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 535	Posted - 2013.10.23 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote It SHOULD work something like this: These numbers should represent STD level weapons. Nova Knives: Melee Range (0-1m) 250 damage per hit 5 uncharged swings per second 0.5 second charge time 1100 damage for charged hit (~2200 maximum DPS) Shotgun: 0-10m range 550 damage per shot. Pellet Dam = ~550/number of pellets. 225% headshot multiplier 100 rp (semi automatic) 2.4 second reload 6 rounds per magazine (~916.7 maximum DPS) Ion Pistol: 0-20m range 90 damage per shot 200% headshot multiplier 525 rpm (semi automatic) 1.75 second reload 8 rounds per magazine (787.5 maximum DPS) SMG: 0-30m range 24 damage per bullet 175% headshot multiplier 1000 rpm 1.8 second reload 80 rounds per magazine. (~400 DPS) Scrambler Pistol: 0-30m range 80 damage per shot 400% headshot multiplier 500 rpm (semi automatic) 1.6 second reload 8 shots per magazine (~666.7 maximum DPS) HMG: 0-35m range 25 damage per bullet 145% headshot multiplier 2000 rpm 7.5 second reload 450 rounds per magazine (~833.7 DPS) Bolt Pistol: 0-37.5m range 70 damage per shot 175% headshot multiplier 500 rpm (semi automatic) 1.7 second reload 12 shots per magazine (~583.3 maximum DPS) Ion Carbine (AR): 0-40m range 45 damage per bolt 170% headshot multiplier 625 rpm 2.75 second reload 50 rounds per magazine (~469.75 DPS) Combat Rifle: 0-47.5m range 35 damage per bullet 180% headshot multiplier 1200 rpm (3 round burst) 240 bursts per minute 2.5 second reload 45 rounds per magazine (~420 maximum DPS) Scrambler Rifle: 0-60m range 75 damage per shot 2.0 second charge time 225 damage per charge shot 200% headshot multiplier 750 rpm (single fire) 6% heat generation per shot Charged shot generates x11 heat 16.7% heat dispersion per second 150 feedback damage 2.2 second reload 40 shots per magazine (~937.5 maximum DPS) Rail Rifle: 0-70m range 60 damage per shot 190% headshot multiplier 400 rpm 2 second reload 40 rounds per magazine (~400 DPS) Flaylock Pistol: 0-70m range (no falloff) 60 damage pershot 135 splash damage per shot 145% headshot multiplier 3m splash diameter 60 m/s projectile speed Projectile falls at 6 m/s 100 rpm 1.75 second reload 3 rounds per magazine (~325 maximum DPS, ~225 maximum splash DPS) Laser Rifle: 65-85m optimum range 17 damage per "shot" 150% headshot multiplier 100 rounds per magazine 150 feedback damage 2 second reload (DPS uncalculatable) Mass Driver: 0-250m range (no falloff, splash damage stops working after 150m) 225 damage per shot 112.5 splash damage per shot 150% headshot multiplier 8m splash diameter 45 m/s projectile speed Projectile falls at 9.8 m/s^2 60 rpm 4.5 second reload 8 rounds per reload (~375.5 maximum DPS, ~112.5 maximum splash DPS) Plasma Cannon: 0-300m range 1150 damage per shot 450 splash damage per shot 110% headshot multiplier 3.5m splash diameter 35 m/s projectile speed Projectile falls at 6.5 m/s^2 0.5 second charge time 5 second reload 1 round per reload (~1600 maximum DPS, ~450 maximum smash DPS) Swarm Launcher: 125 damage per missile 6 missiles (at all levels) 30 m/s missile speed 1.3 second lock time 0.2 second down time between locks 3 second reload 5 shots per reload (~500 maximum DPS) Forge Gun: 450m range 1350 damage per shot 75 splash damage per shot 400% headshot multiplier 5m splash diameter 1200 m/s projectile speed Projectile does not fall 2.5 second charge time 8.5 second reload 4 rounds per reload (~570 maximum DPS, ~30 maximum splash DPS) Precision Rifle: 525m range 425 damage per shot 225% headshot multiplier 40 rps (bolt action) 1000 m/s projectile speed Projectile falls at 8 m/s^2 2.25 second reload 5 rounds per magazine (~300 maximum DPS, ~675 maximum headshot DPS) Sniper Rifle 0-600m range 375 damage per shot 225% headshot multiplier 50 rps (semi automatic) 1200 m/s projectile speed Projectile falls at 9 m/s^2 3.25 second reload 6 rounds per magazine (~281.3 maximum DPS, ~632.8 maximum headshot DPS) I think this is everything. Edit: I should just make a new topic, huh?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 535	Posted - 2013.10.23 04:14:00 - [3] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Fizzer94 Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that. I understand that you are the NK expert. I will change them.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 535	Posted - 2013.10.23 04:23:00 - [4] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Fizzer94 Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that. They take skill to use. Nothing is worse than sneaking up on a guy and them moving, you missing your second strike, and having them kill you. Plus if they were camping they should be dead anyway. It would be inevitable because any weapon + headshots kills extremely fast if the opponent is camping. Plus if you do hit one guy, they can just backpeddle and not be touched by you... The ion pistol is what I'm worried about...but the Rail Rifle was exactly what I thought it would be like by what you put. The downside of the Ion Pistol would be its accuracy. Ion Pistol does a lot of DPS, at the cost of range and accuracy Flaylock gets splash at the cost of rounds per magazine and DPS Scrambler Pistol Is a headshot beast at the cost of being mediocre Bolt Pistol gets extra rounds per magazine and extra range at the cost of DPS
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 536	Posted - 2013.10.23 06:03:00 - [5] - Quote @RECON BY FIRE No, I'm not secretly a CCP Dev. What would you change? Also, you didn't have to quote that entire thing.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 543	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:13:00 - [6] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: I would change literally all of it. Seriously, a STD shotgun should do 550 damage? Wtf are you smoking? Not all of that damage would apply unless all the pellets hit. A shotgun should kill anyone in 2-3 shots if every pellet hits, which would mean they are at point blank range. That's how shotguns work, very high alpha damage at close range.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 544	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:21:00 - [7] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Fizzer94 Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that. They take skill to use. Nothing is worse than sneaking up on a guy and them moving, you missing your second strike, and having them kill you. Plus if they were camping they should be dead anyway. It would be inevitable because any weapon + headshots kills extremely fast if the opponent is camping. Plus if you do hit one guy, they can just backpeddle and not be touched by you... The ion pistol is what I'm worried about...but the Rail Rifle was exactly what I thought it would be like by what you put. The downside of the Ion Pistol would be its accuracy. Ion Pistol does a lot of DPS, at the cost of range and accuracy Flaylock gets splash at the cost of rounds per magazine and DPS Scrambler Pistol Is a headshot beast at the cost of being mediocre Bolt Pistol gets extra rounds per magazine and extra range at the cost of DPS Scrambler Pistol is far too accurate for it's damage. Owned a guy at I think 20-30m by headshotting him. And NO I didn't use the OP Tac Scrambler Pistol. I used the assault...it's just far too good for a sidearm. Only drawback is ammo capacity which can be fixed by upgrading that. What I'm getting here is 'lower pistol damage'. I can do that. I've looked at them again, and thought the same thing, I just needed to hear it from someone else.