Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"

Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.

Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.

So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.

Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.

These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.

And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!

This? Again?

But here is a simple question, why should 1 man in a tank, require more than 1 man with av to neutrilize?

Answers that aren't valid:

I have invested Money and SP
So did the guy using Proto AV

Its a tank
Against anti-tank weaponry

It doesn't fit the rock paper scissors style of this game
Of course it does Infantry < Tank < AV < Infantry

Its supposed to be highly armoured
So is the heavy

Our weapons are useless
The new ones coming soon look pretty damn good to me

I can't fufill my role if I can't stay on the frontline
of course you can, tanks are infantry close support, not muderous juggernauts

Bad hit detection with missiles? Railgun sand Blasters maybe, but not Missile Launchers.

I have no problem killing people with my Missiles, and they are the basic ones.

Just ask Commander Tzu about how I blew that guy clean of the mountaintop when he was charging up a forge on his Gunnlogi

Tanks can't be the best counter because that forces everyone to use a tank. And I don't want to have to pull mine out every time I want to take down an enemy HAV.

So if I pay 300k AUR for a BPO with IA Swarm Launchers, Lai Dais, and two complex damage mods, I should be a god killer and be the best because I paid more? LOL NO!

Again, it's PRO AV. Should it tickle? Should it fire warning shots? Should I just try spraying and praying with my SMG to let you know that I'm about to fire at you? Has your IQ dropped to 30?

PRO Modules

"It used to be, was awsome back in the day"

Yeah it used to be awsome for YOU, ever spared a thought for all those poor avers who would have been more effective hurling rocks? All the infantry that had to hide ride round corners!

Also I told you not too use those arguments, they have been dismissed many times. 300k is small in comparison, but your forgetting the sp required for

Proto suit, (to have pg/cpu)
Swarm profciency (for damage)
Swarm ammo (for TIC)
Swarm reload (as above)
Swarm optimization (for pg/cpu)
Weapon upgrades (for dmg mods)
Armour/shield modules (for survivability)
Sidearm modules (as many as swarm modules)
Nanocircuitry (for hives)

Thats for a decent aver, who only runs av. So id say its about even. A tank might be 10x the cost, but a swarmer will probably die a lot more often than 10x per tank he decommissions.

Heavies aren't that heavily armoured, correct, thats the point the HAV of suits isn't as survivable as its lighter counterparts. Your weapons are useless? ******** tell that to the droves of infantry that die to them! Prehaps if you are using missiles against infantry you should try the fragmented, it seems to work pretty well!

So your telling me you enjoyed being on the recieving end of an indestructible tank? Come on, don't give me that. You thought it was fair that without at least 1 tanker on your team your guaranteed failure, you were happy having to run home with a tail between youf legs every time a turret turned to face you? You were happy hiding on maps with no where to get away? Really?

And no the skill tree for infantry is not nothing in comparison! Infact after the changes they will be almost identical! Except for an aver needs to skill 2 light weapons and 1 sidearm to be effective! Tankers won't even fit light turrets to there tanks anymore! As for your complaint about prof not giving damage, you do enough already, passive damage bonuses to a large turret would be broken! Increased tracking speed is very useful!

But this still comes down to a single point!
1 man in a TANK should NOT be additivily worth more than 1 man on the ground!
If you can't understand that then I might as well try and convince white is black, it would be a lot easier to do!

And you are not av, get out of an av thread, jack***

Dumbass HAV drivers need to stop cheering about being able to take the Small Turrets off their tanks and grow a damn brain.

If it has 3 seats, don't you think that's part of the balance for them? Why the hell aren't you getting squad members to occupy those and help defend you from AV?

Tanks will be harder to destroy that's for sure. Like it was said to have 3 individuals to fight one tank, now lets just say 3 are on the field with a proto squad. Yep like I thought, throws hand in the air and camps in MCC.

Actually, swarms had locking nerfs. Now we have to look directly at the tank to lock on, and our lock times have been nerfed. (If you thought the Specialist variant took for ever, wait until you see it know!)

All my redline swarms ever do is crash into a wall, and the range isn't even that long most of the time.

AV does put itself at risk, against infantry

ADAPT? Like how we need to be the best at sidearms or get buttplugged by enemy infantry?

Don't be biased dude. At least try to get the views from the other side.