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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!
Double standards blaring in the face, infantry doesn't have to use teamwork to destroy tanks, but tankers have to use teamwork to stay alive.
Stop lying, you're not a tanker, go back to Call of Duty. |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!
LOL You are not a tanker. Stop lying to everybody. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.26 02:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! LOL You are not a tanker. Stop lying to everybody. And you are not av, get out of an av thread, jack***
Do I need to post a picture of my skill list that clearly shows forge gun proficiency 3? |
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Posted - 2013.10.26 03:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! LOL You are not a tanker. Stop lying to everybody. I'll bet 50 Million ISK right now. 50 MILLION ISK!
Is that the entire contents of your wallet? |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.26 06:28:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:True Adamance wrote:Attim I was starting to like you.... then this....
Auto Locking double DPS weapons that are fire and forget do not deserve to be, nor should have the capability to solo HAV. We need to reach a point of balance where players actually want to deploy tanks to the map, this way we get the fights that we see in trailers.....
However as you and many others would have it. AV dominates the map with no downsides nor need to leave the red line granting free 150 + 50 WP at regular intervals for doing nothing.
Your 500K SP, and 300K ISK investment is denying dynamic gameplay and destroying 10+ Million SP, and destroying 1-2 Million SP vehicles with too much ease.
Swarm Lock time needs an increase, fire rate needs to remain the same, with swarms not making 180- degree turns and able to be unlocked by terrain and such. Adamance, your making some good points. Would you meet the AV crowd halfway? How about: - reduce the uber-seeking significantly; 90 degree turns by missiles...it's a bit cheap. - increase projectile speed...no way dropships and mid-range HAVs should be able to outrun it. - keep the damage nerf - reduce the lock on to 300... Not 175. That's a big over the top even for the CCP Mjolnir Nerf they swing around. - offer variant with longer range but less damage and variant with heavy damage and short range. This was posted as an idea by some on earlier...not my idea but I dig it. - base lock on time of Swarms can increase a bit but skilling into it still provides the decreased lock on time perk.
Oh, that's an overkill nerf, but CCP nerfing tanks 5 consecutive builds in a row is just fine? Plus giving swarms the single largest buff they've ever had when 1.4 came out? |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.26 06:29:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:True Adamance wrote:Attim I was starting to like you.... then this....
Auto Locking double DPS weapons that are fire and forget do not deserve to be, nor should have the capability to solo HAV. We need to reach a point of balance where players actually want to deploy tanks to the map, this way we get the fights that we see in trailers.....
However as you and many others would have it. AV dominates the map with no downsides nor need to leave the red line granting free 150 + 50 WP at regular intervals for doing nothing.
Your 500K SP, and 300K ISK investment is denying dynamic gameplay and destroying 10+ Million SP, and destroying 1-2 Million SP vehicles with too much ease.
Swarm Lock time needs an increase, fire rate needs to remain the same, with swarms not making 180- degree turns and able to be unlocked by terrain and such. Adamance, your making some good points. Would you meet the AV crowd halfway? How about: - reduce the uber-seeking significantly; 90 degree turns by missiles...it's a bit cheap. - increase projectile speed...no way dropships and mid-range HAVs should be able to outrun it. - keep the damage nerf - reduce the lock on to 300... Not 175. That's a big over the top even for the CCP Mjolnir Nerf they swing around. - offer variant with longer range but less damage and variant with heavy damage and short range. This was posted as an idea by some on earlier...not my idea but I dig it. - base lock on time of Swarms can increase a bit but skilling into it still provides the decreased lock on time perk.
Tanks avoid swarms in a straight line when they're already 300m away, or the person firing swarms is a hair outside the terminal range for the swarms. Yes, they lock on outside their terminal range. |
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Posted - 2013.10.26 06:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:
No no it does. Every AVer in that equation is self sufficient and can work together without even need to use team chat.
If you mean to say a tank needs, a driver, gunner, and moduler to be useful not only do you kill any sense of vehicle balance you kill driving vehicles as a whole. Why do infantry not understand this. Your game would be so boring, not to mention dead without the 500 or more vehicle users in this game.
I mean I'd head straight for battlefield and never look back.
Congratulations you would all have your CoD514.
No a Tanker Should be able to efficiently drive his tank solo, hell he could even choose to remove the small turrets and run it alone,but it shouldnt be very effective , same as 1 single AV is not very effective vs a good tanker. Now as I see it, tankers feel they should be able to solo whole games since their tanks are expensive. IMO You are just wearing a 6000HP + Dropssuit that is immune to all but 4 weapons and moves fast. We've had this discussion 10000000000000000 times. like srsly ,wait for the changes then we can whine and rant.... well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything.. and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want. DUDE QUIT LYING TO YOURSELF! MY MADRUGAR (at least my cheapest one) COST 400K. THEY COST 1M BECAUSE YOU MAKE THEM COST 1M! My AV suit costs about 100k to deploy, and If i die at least 3-4 times (which normally happens) I match the cost of my tank
If you were a tanker, you wouldn't be on a crusade against tanks, because you'd know how difficult they are to run, even with people looking out for you that you can talk to. Stop lying to everybody. You're not a tanker. |
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