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Caeli SineDeo
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Where your post started its fail. That continued through the whole thing.
Sorry but you call lol tankers dumb and they should not be able to solo but then you go the say that you should be able to solo and tanks should not.
Ahhh the insanity to poor posting and little knowledge. Why dust is slowly getting worse and worse. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:29:00 -
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Right I am seeing horrible reasoning If we make it team work and you guys call in 6 tanks we will need 12 to 16 guys in AV to take them all out.
Actually no you would only need 4 smart AV players to clear the field easily. Yes there might be a little choas right away But truely if we mad it using team work where at least 2 AV needed to take down a tank at decent rate of time. 4 good av guys working together would handle 6 tanks no problem.
You do not run around like chickens with your heads cut off you actually play smart. You set up in a location you know a tank is coming to jump it 1 down. You move as a group behind your team next tank comes to kill them you kill it 2 down. pretty soon you have the tanks down to 1 or 2 with just 4 guys. Yes if you run in throwing AV nades sucidal against 2-3 tanks together expect to die.
Just because something takes teamwork does not mean that if there are more then 1 tank in the game that you need to keep doubling to match with AV. Hell it is even better for AV to have more tanks because that means less infantry to counter while setting up to jump tanks.
Sorry your reasoning is thrown out the window.
One thing I expect is during those 30-45 seconds I am running my modules is to be able to take AV fire and push a little help my team. then retreat to recover before my next push. As a smart tanker I will be thinking and looking out for any traps that might happen as I recover. A smart AV team will work to push as I attack but have a guy set up to catch me on retreat when my modules are down and I am easy pickings.
Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build.
During the time I am running my modules I should expect 4-5 guys taking 20 seconds+ to bust my tank. Yes one guy should be able to take me if my pants are down and I am on full cool down but he should be bent over for trying to take me on while I have access to active modules.
If I run a full passive fit I should expect 2 guys take around 20 seconds to drop me 3+ will do quick work.
Remember this is me running full proto and them running full proto.
I do not want to be god but I do expect fo be rewarded for playing smart. And forcing AV players to play just as smart to take me out. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Infantry have to risk their wallet rely on a scout reliably deploying a drop uplink in a safe spot. Infantry have to rely on their squad mates scans are good coverage to prevent getting flanked. Infantry have to rely on their logi-bros to keep them in the game. Infantry have to rely on their team mates not dying in stupid hard to reach areas to revive them. Infantry have to rely on their teammates from not dropping a bad orbital on their heads and cost wise, have the highest cost potential over even the most expensive HAVs. Case in point officer weapons. Kill a guy with balac's and you could have set him back 20-30-40? matches? They don't drop often anymore. I do plenty fine with my infantry builds without relying on ANY teammates, not in any coordinated fashion anyways. Infantry are just fine by themselves, and if they want to bring officer gear to a pub that's their own damn fault if they lose it. Officer gear =/= vehicles isk wise? you're right officer gear about 20-40x more in cost. I mean what you just said is like trying to compare a megathron to a daredevil. Well I'm just trying to wrap my head around your original comment then, maybe I just misread it. I thought who you were responding to whoever was saying how we would have to rely on infantry to keep us alive by using Anti AV gear to help us out, which would indicate that tanks are still **** all easy to kill, but you now have to pray your blues are on point (in squad or not). My response was more or less saying that infantry don't have to rely on other infantry to nearly such an extent, especially when ISK is factored in. People who are good don't die a whole lot, and tend to rely more on themselves than others. Tanks right now are laughably easy to kill in most situations (speaking as a proto AV user and someone with a reasonable amount of SP in tanks already) As it stands a tanker has to be 100% on point the entire game, in comms, calling out enemies and watching for any and all AV, watching for remote explosives as they book it around the field, watching out for terrain because stopping = death, which can be hard to do when driving backwards full speed trying to shoot that AV guy as you try to duck around a corner. Your cooldowns have to be hit at the perfect time, and you better pray your modules don't glitch. This all comes with a massive ISK tag to it. Proto AV just feels entirely too strong, from both ends of the spectrum. I won't discount you guys get @#$%^ on easily. However I have seen situations where the players doing the @%# got @#$ in return by a different tank pilot.
Guys do not even try to reason with Iron Wolf He knows nothing. He runs militant tanks and thinks that all of a sudden the tank gods blessed him with knowledge. He sucks with AV but thinks he is good and he has trouble so they must be close to balanced. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:45:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:
Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build.
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This is the kind of BS tankers want us to believe LOLIf thats true: You tank sucks balls and so do youAnd why do i know its a lie?: I have tried soloing tanks with a LOT of damage at the same time: 4-PE + PRO Packed Grenades + up to 5 PROTO SWARMS WITH PROF AND DAM MODs , and they survive and run away. SURVIVE and RUN AWAY. This means in good theory if he had seen me before i saw him he could have killed me without me able to inflict ANY important damage. I run ADV P/E + Proto SWARMS + Lai Dai Packed nades on an Amarr logi.And even while emptying EVERYTHING tanks have been able to survive. Your pitiful.'' aw gawd my tank gets soloed all the time by 1 AVer'' just makes you look bad, you are not fooling anyone.
On other notes. Yeah tanks need a buff, just not chromo level buff....
First off you need to go talk to any recognizable player in this forum. And ask him who I am. And if I am good. Before you say I suck and do not know what I am doing.
Consider me a ******* god compared to your scrawny noobie self.
And yes any armor tank can be dropped in 10 seconds by AV. While modules are running. I can run a 4 damage mod LOL Swarm Fire 2 Shots then throw 4 AV nades in 10 seconds. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:
Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build.
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This is the kind of BS tankers want us to believe LOLIf thats true: You tank sucks balls and so do youAnd why do i know its a lie?: I have tried soloing tanks with a LOT of damage at the same time: 4-PE + PRO Packed Grenades + up to 5 PROTO SWARMS WITH PROF AND DAM MODs , and they survive and run away. SURVIVE and RUN AWAY. This means in good theory if he had seen me before i saw him he could have killed me without me able to inflict ANY important damage. I run ADV P/E + Proto SWARMS + Lai Dai Packed nades on an Amarr logi.And even while emptying EVERYTHING tanks have been able to survive. Your pitiful.'' aw gawd my tank gets soloed all the time by 1 AVer'' just makes you look bad, you are not fooling anyone.
On other notes. Yeah tanks need a buff, just not chromo level buff.... First off you need to go talk to any recognizable player in this forum. And ask him who I am. And if I am good. Before you say I suck and do not know what I am doing. Consider me a ******* god compared to your scrawny noobie self. And yes any armor tank can be dropped in 10 seconds by AV. While modules are running. I can run a 4 damage mod LOL Swarm Fire 2 Shots then throw 4 AV nades in 10 seconds. You might be a god compared to me skill wise, but not a very smart one if you are exposed for so long that gets your tank killed by ONE ;Aver...LOLnot as good as self proclaimed then.... BTW insulting me wont get you nowhere, i dont take any of this personal,not like you... pushed you buttons there scrubby? Oh im sorry you thought that being skilled made you less of a scrub > LOL
If you can not solo me with AV I consider you a **** player. Tanks do not take much skill to solo. I run around with Standard swarm set up and melt tanks all day long. I can kill tankers with out a single skill point put into AV. I have Dren Swarms, Aurum AV nades and standard Damage modes. And I run over tanks no problem. Hop in LAV drive past all infantry get out run around until I find a spot that I know tanker is going to start engaging friendlies near wait until he engages shoot swarms throw AV as he run put last few volleys of swarms into him. Easy kill. No tanker can defend against it because by the time they take swarm damage and I have AV nades thrown they are just turning around turret or trying to run.
I can run around all day long in a tank and never die without entering my redline and kill AV all day long but the problem is as the biggest assest to my team I am doing nothing but that. I play to win so yes I expect to be able to not have to play a full game just engaging AV. I expect to be able to play with my team and be involved in taking objectives.
When has helping taking a objective become the incorrect way to play. I am a horrible tanker for slowing down and getting near a objective to kill people and allow my team to push. Ya sorry.
You prove your noobieness in how little you know in how mocho you think you are because you think your bothering me. Trust me I do not loose a ounce of sleep over this. But I will stat my opinion to try to make a better game even through CCP seems to like listening to you low IQ dimwits. Thats why they have a amazing population of 3k players on at peaks Maybe a lucky 5k if they throw a event. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:14:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:
Dude with this POS reasoning, I'm suprised CCP and IWS take you seriously!
It doesn't matter if you've only heard about him a month ago, his likes, or his corp. If he has a point then he has a point
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with your reasoning and all, im surprised people even bother to try to understand you. that doesn't seem to be the case here since your getting little support and a lot of hate. IWS? nah, we don't take each other seriously, CCP? since when do they listen to anyone with a brain.
CCP listens to people with a brain. See they even posted in my thread.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62956&find=unread
Ohhhh wait. They posted then they went and did exactly what I said is going to happen. And all of a sudden the only viable tank became Maudrugers.
Ahh good old CCP. Just a bunch of monkeys in the lab experimenting hoping one of those test tubes comes up with the correct answer. |
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