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XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 372	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:13:00 - [1] - Quote Synchelle GÇô Kihar Elokur, the Brutor student accused of killing three Gallente men, has been found not guilty by reason of self-defense. The verdict sparked several instances of violence between supporters of Elokur and an increasingly vocal Gallente-nationalist movement. Elokur was arrested in early August after killing three Gallente men who attacked him in what was believed to be a racially-motivated assault. Elokur killed all three of his attackers, raising questions over his use of force and whether it was proportionate or not. It was even suggested that he might have pursued his attackers after they attempted to flee, which would have violated Federation law on reasonable use of force in self-defense. He had been held in custody for several months prior to his trial, which began on October 15th. During the trial, prosecutors attempted to prove that Elokur had provoked the attack, that his life had never been seriously threatened, and that he followed a third attacker several blocks after killing one and mortally wounding another. The defense, however, brought in experts who testified ElokurGÇÖs wounds would have prevented him from giving chase and that the fleeing attackers had suffered life-threatening injuries prior to their flight. The jury returned a not guilty verdict after a short period of deliberation. The defense hailed the verdict as a victory for GÇ£law-abiding Federation citizens everywhere.GÇ¥ The trial had become a focus of controversy, as many Minmatar believed Elokur was being tried solely because of his ethnic background. Protestors frequently gathered outside the holding facility where he was held and chanted slogans. While the protests had been peaceful, it sparked angry rhetoric from anti-immigrant, nationalist pundits, who claimed the protestors were attempting to circumvent Federal justice. After the verdict was read, several Minmatar communities in Synchelle erupted in spontaneous celebrations. While most involved only minor incidents of vandalism, in several locations Gallente men dressed in replica Black Eagles uniforms appeared. At least three outbreaks of violence were reported, all involving the celebrators and Gallente. While no fatalities were reported, at least twenty have been hospitalized with injuries and dozens, both Minmatar and Gallente, have been arrested. Police are currently investigating which groups initiated the violence.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 333	Posted - 2013.10.21 20:37:00 - [2] - Quote Well, Gallentean justice seems to be able to find its way to what looks at a glance like a good outcome. A note to the Federation, however: the State has brought its fascist elements to heel (Provists) or reaffirmed their criminal status (Templis Dragonaurs). The Federation's Black Eagles, however, existed before Tibus Heth's reign, and continue to enjoy federal sanction despite apparently furthering the interests and beliefs of a certain hard-right political figure more than Federation policy. Now, hate-filled fools are representing themselves as Black Eagles, and it hardly smells like slander-- more like fealty. Perhaps some housecleaning is in order?
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2013.10.21 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote Justice triumphs once again. As is the Gallante way. Justice is blind to all but fairness, reason and truth.
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 373	Posted - 2013.10.21 20:53:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Justice triumphs once again. As is the Gallante way. Justice is blind to all but fairness, reason and truth. It also leads to violent fights between the two opinions apparently. I'd hate for the this to start up again because of what was supposed to be its own resolution.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2013.10.21 21:01:00 - [5] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Well, Gallentean justice seems to be able to find its way to what looks at a glance like a good outcome. A note to the Federation, however: the State has brought its fascist elements to heel (Provists) or reaffirmed their criminal status (Templis Dragonaurs). The Federation's Black Eagles, however, existed before Tibus Heth's reign, and continue to enjoy federal sanction despite apparently furthering the interests and beliefs of a certain hard-right political figure more than Federation policy. Now, hate-filled fools are representing themselves as Black Eagles, and it hardly smells like slander-- more like fealty. Perhaps some housecleaning is in order? Most of these masqueraders are tactless vagabonds, who know not of the true operations of the Special Department of Internal Investigation and Federal Security. Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2013.10.21 21:03:00 - [6] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Justice triumphs once again. As is the Gallante way. Justice is blind to all but fairness, reason and truth. It also leads to violent fights between the two opinions apparently. I'd hate for the this to start up again because of what was supposed to be its own resolution. As is the danger of holding public trials. Though, it also shows that the justice was pure and unimpeded by corruption.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3453	Posted - 2013.10.21 21:51:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we?
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1149	Posted - 2013.10.21 22:55:00 - [8] - Quote Elokur is a monkey without a leash. If someone asked, I would personally take care of that animal.
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 113	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: The Federation's Black Eagles, however, existed before Tibus Heth's reign Wrong. The Black Eagles were founded as a direct result of the events of YC 110 when Heth invaded Luminaire to take back Caldari Prime. He was only able to accomplish this due to the treason of Admiral Etturer, whose selling of military secrets allowed the Caldari to bypass the Gallente early-warning system 'Tripwire'. The 'Black Eagles' are the internal investigations division of the Federal Intelligence Office (FIO). Yes, they may be shady bastards, but it pays to have one's facts straight
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:45:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we? I doubt you or your Empire are in any position to judge. Your Empress has stated she is looking into military options for a new reclaiming. The Gallante Federation rarely forcibly takes over civilizations. The few instances we use force, are when we feel that the people are being forcibly ruled under a rule which fails to uphold the basic rights of every Human. Usually we try diplomatic approaches, if they decline, then we leave them alone. Though, they always come around... Even if it takes some, persuasion.

Galm Fae Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 119	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:02:00 - [11] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: The Federation's Black Eagles, however, existed before Tibus Heth's reign Wrong. The Black Eagles were founded as a direct result of the events of YC 110 when Heth invaded Luminaire to take back Caldari Prime. He was only able to accomplish this due to the treason of Admiral Etturer, whose selling of military secrets allowed the Caldari to bypass the Gallente early-warning system 'Tripwire'. The 'Black Eagles' are the internal investigations division of the Federal Intelligence Office (FIO). Yes, they may be shady bastards, but it pays to have one's facts straight Equally worth mentioning is the fact that the Templis Dragonaur "terror cell" has existed since the times of the first Rataa Empire. It is tradition, and sacred to true Caldari. At least... It was. As much as I hate kakku and their Black Eagles, I won't sink to the hypocracy of acting like I can't understand where they are coming from. I say good on the citizens of the Federation for standing up for themselves. Though I think teenagers dressing up as an elite warrior faction are can frankly be written off as "Gallente being Gallente."
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 333	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:07:00 - [12] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: The Federation's Black Eagles, however, existed before Tibus Heth's reign Wrong. The Black Eagles were founded as a direct result of the events of YC 110 when Heth invaded Luminaire to take back Caldari Prime. He was only able to accomplish this due to the treason of Admiral Etturer, whose selling of military secrets allowed the Caldari to bypass the Gallente early-warning system 'Tripwire'. The 'Black Eagles' are the internal investigations division of the Federal Intelligence Office (FIO). Yes, they may be shady bastards, but it pays to have one's facts straight Mm. Fair enough; I stand corrected. Perhaps it's more Mentas Blaque's political career I'm thinking of. Or perhaps the U-NATs. Actually, the origins you correctly point to (now that I take the time to brush up on my recent history-- memories are odd things) make them more disturbing rather than less. I hadn't realized that their powers were quite so ... sweeping. It's the sort of thing we in the State take for granted, but it seems sort of corrosive for a democracy. Also, they seem to have been introduced in reaction to a perceived catastrophe. That's sort of a dangerous time for democracies; just ask the Federal government at the time of Nouvelle Rouvenor. The impulse seems to be to undercut your cultural values for the sake of greater security. The meritocratic/oligarchical Caldari State is built to protect the cultural integrity of its peoples, including from the whims of the public. A democracy, however, is subject to the winds of public opinion, which can be driven to operatic heights of folly by any severe shock. It's understandable, certainly, but it does seem to make monsters.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3476	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:12:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we? I doubt you or your Empire are in any position to judge. Your Empress has stated she is looking into military options for a new reclaiming. The Gallante Federation rarely forcibly takes over civilizations. The few instances we use force, are when we feel that the people are being forcibly ruled under a rule which fails to uphold the basic rights of every Human. Usually we try diplomatic approaches, if they decline, then we leave them alone. Though, they always come around... Even if it takes some, persuasion. I have never denied this. I'm just letting you know we all see it in your people as well.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:25:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we? I doubt you or your Empire are in any position to judge. Your Empress has stated she is looking into military options for a new reclaiming. The Gallante Federation rarely forcibly takes over civilizations. The few instances we use force, are when we feel that the people are being forcibly ruled under a rule which fails to uphold the basic rights of every Human. Usually we try diplomatic approaches, if they decline, then we leave them alone. Though, they always come around... Even if it takes some, persuasion. I have never denied this. I'm just letting you know we all see it in your people as well. Rather redundant, especially, since I admitted it
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 333	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:32:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Most of these masqueraders are tactless vagabonds, who know not of the true operations of the Special Department of Internal Investigation and Federal Security. Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. That's what the Templis Dragonaurs claim to be to the Caldari: a force protecting Caldari sovereignty. If they take it farther than the State itself is willing to, well, that's just because the State doesn't see the true danger foreigners pose. Fae-haan may have a certain nostalgia for a cause he once believed in, but an ethnic Achur living as a Caldari citizen has a lot to fear from these sorts of fools. Each society has its bitter, hateful shadows, soldier. The Caldari State's just shaken its off, for the moment. It seems like the Federation's still wrestling with its own.
Adiran Zanzalin PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:38:00 - [16] - Quote "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 As my Empress commands. My hand will obey.
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1913	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:12:00 - [17] - Quote Adiran Zanzalin wrote: "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 As my Empress commands. My hand will obey. ugh.. not this **** again...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3502	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:14:00 - [18] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Adiran Zanzalin wrote: "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 As my Empress commands. My hand will obey. ugh.. not this **** again... *Shrugs
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1616	Posted - 2013.10.22 07:34:00 - [19] - Quote Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met
Peter Hanther Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 52	Posted - 2013.10.22 18:27:00 - [20] - Quote Seems I got off Galente Prime when the going was good. Has everyone gone insane planet side?

XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 390	Posted - 2013.10.22 18:42:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met For that cultural exchange program what would you possibly want from us in return other than more converts? I know you want to teach us all about your faith, but what would we actually get out of it?
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1916	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:25:00 - [22] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met For that cultural exchange program what would you possibly want from us in return other than more converts? I know you want to teach us all about your faith, but what would we actually get out of it? whips, chains, servitude for 50 years and the rest of your life, obeying your master and never talking to anyone.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3519	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:04:00 - [23] - Quote Void Echo wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met For that cultural exchange program what would you possibly want from us in return other than more converts? I know you want to teach us all about your faith, but what would we actually get out of it? whips, chains, servitude for 50 years and the rest of your life, obeying your master and never talking to anyone. Consequently you can put up with the status quo which is poverty, discrimination, segregation, and servitude to the Gallente for 50 years....
Satja Askarin Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote Void Echo wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met For that cultural exchange program what would you possibly want from us in return other than more converts? I know you want to teach us all about your faith, but what would we actually get out of it? whips, chains, servitude for 50 years and the rest of your life, obeying your master and never talking to anyone. What are you talking about? I have been a slave all my life. I have not reason to complain. I am fed, clothed, and tended to. What more could I ask for? One day they may decide that my services have been enough and that I am ready to enter God's kingdom. I look forwards to that day.
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 390	Posted - 2013.10.22 21:36:00 - [25] - Quote You still never answered my question, a cultural exchange only works if the exchange goes both ways. You would get more converts (in theory). What would my people get? Please don't say God's light or knowledge of him, as I know the vast majority of my people wouldn't accept this if that was all there was to it.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3519	Posted - 2013.10.22 22:15:00 - [26] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: You still never answered my question, a cultural exchange only works if the exchange goes both ways. You would get more converts (in theory). What would my people get? Please don't say God's light or knowledge of him, as I know the vast majority of my people wouldn't accept this if that was all there was to it. I'm not opposed to the idea, but it wouldn't get very far outside of curious academics or desperate Matari. Perhaps the sharing of technologies, our knowledge of the stars and universe we live in, perhaps Humanitarian aid across disaster zones, and joint aid in targeting criminal organizations operating across the boundaries of our space.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3019	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:26:00 - [27] - Quote I am glad that the Federation judicial system has brought justice, Elokur was defending himself. Nonetheless, the continued riots by this Federation nationalist movement only further prove the racism that exists within the Federation. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we? I doubt you or your Empire are in any position to judge. Your Empress has stated she is looking into military options for a new reclaiming. The Gallante Federation rarely forcibly takes over civilizations. The few instances we use force, are when we feel that the people are being forcibly ruled under a rule which fails to uphold the basic rights of every Human. Usually we try diplomatic approaches, if they decline, then we leave them alone. Though, they always come around... Even if it takes some, persuasion. Get your fact straights before you utter such nonsense. The heir of Sarum made the proposal for a new Reclaiming, which means nothing. The Empress has not stated anything on this matter, and has made clear in her coronation that she wishes to explore non-violent means of expanding the faith.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3521	Posted - 2013.10.23 05:16:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I am glad that the Federation judicial system has brought justice, Elokur was defending himself. Nonetheless, the continued riots by this Federation nationalist movement only further prove the racism that exists within the Federation. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Any and all actions that the SDII partake in are initiated on the basis of furthering the sovereignty of the Gallante Federation. Furthering those Imperial dreams again are we? I doubt you or your Empire are in any position to judge. Your Empress has stated she is looking into military options for a new reclaiming. The Gallante Federation rarely forcibly takes over civilizations. The few instances we use force, are when we feel that the people are being forcibly ruled under a rule which fails to uphold the basic rights of every Human. Usually we try diplomatic approaches, if they decline, then we leave them alone. Though, they always come around... Even if it takes some, persuasion. Get your fact straights before you utter such nonsense. The heir of Sarum made the proposal for a new Reclaiming, which means nothing. The Empress has not stated anything on this matter, and has made clear in her coronation that she wishes to explore non-violent means of expanding the faith. Which is why I support the Sarum so ardently. Non Violence is the key to progression with the Minmatar.
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1622	Posted - 2013.10.23 07:41:00 - [29] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Dear any intrested matari I offer special forces training in riot control and counter riot tackets in the event the gals take further action on harming your people I will not sit by while they harm lost children of the amarr. Remember your peope will always be welcome and I'm pushing for a cultural exchange program as I belive we got it wrong the first time we met For that cultural exchange program what would you possibly want from us in return other than more converts? I know you want to teach us all about your faith, but what would we actually get out of it? Science. Art, poetry, our history. Methods of schooling etc The matari can teach us, the value of family, food....I'm not sure on the rest and that's why we need program. Both our people need to get over the past so we can look forword. Or am I foolish and are the matari just primitive that they know only hate and how to hit things. I hope I'm wrong and my offer still stands with no strings attached


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