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DUST Fiend wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire?

Who said anything about dumb fire? I'm just raging because I don't see how it's possible to become a vehicle specialist if you aren't already one. Thank God this game isn't on disc because I really want to snap it in half right now, almost a year of vehicle abuse and I'm at my limit, I can't ******* handle it right now. Infantry play is God awful boring and unless you have all your vehicle skills maxed you might as well just forget about it if the enemy team is even halfway awake.

I'm just so ******* done right now

I can sympathise with you there. Vehicle balance has taken too long. You guys are in a bad situation and being asked to just keep holding your breath for yet another month.... or two .... lets hope it is only two!

Yea, I've burned millions upon millions of ISK trying to make it work just in pubs, nevermind PC. I need to just stop playing or force myself to run only BPOs, I just get so painfully bored. Ugh, I feel bad too cuz my corp helped me with a little ISK and it's already gone. I just need to stop, it's so stupid.

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7084	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:33:00 - [1] - Quote To say that swarm launchers are the dumbest thing in this game. At least forge guns need to aim
Humble Seeker PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote I see where you're coming from. But forges can hit with pinpoint precision from the opposite side of the map. Swarms? Nah. You can see those from a mile away, and have at least a few seconds to take cover behind something. So I'd say swarms deserve the tracking feature. Would it be fun to try them without it? Heck yes. Effective? Who knows.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2695	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:36:00 - [3] - Quote Humble Seeker wrote: I see where you're coming from. But forges can hit with pinpoint precision from the opposite side of the map. Swarms? Nah. You can see those from a mile away, and have at least a few seconds to take cover behind something. So I'd say swarms deserve the tracking feature. Would it be fun to try them without it? Heck yes. Effective? Who knows. I'm never able to see Swarms. They dont even render.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 267	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote All the AV stuff needs to change... raw damage seems to be the answer for everything vehicular. What if they gave lower damage, but scrambled the driver's view? Or caused the vehicle to slow down a tad? The lock-on feature only really makes sense if it was some kind of support system, instead of a direct-confrontation weapon.
Noragee Silverfire HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:39:00 - [5] - Quote Swarms at one point could dumb fire and people just used them on infantry instead.
Name York 0uter.Heaven 40	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:39:00 - [6] - Quote Humble Seeker wrote: Swarms? Nah. You can see those from a mile away Are we playing the same game?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7084	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:48:00 - [7] - Quote Noragee Silverfire wrote: Swarms at one point could dumb fire and people just used them on infantry instead. I was there. As for being able to see them coming, you can't really do that as a tanker, you just have to kind of listen and pray the audio doesn't glitch My corpie helped me out of the 0 ISK hole and I'm already closing in ::sigh:: I'm cursed to play this game in BPOs
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 590	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote Noragee Silverfire wrote: Swarms at one point could dumb fire and people just used them on infantry instead. Good times 1v1 infantry fights between two swarm launchers was the best.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1033	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: To say that swarm launchers are the dumbest thing in this game. At least forge guns need to aim I see newberries running around with them trying to shoot infantry....ccp you might need a better way of showing newberries because
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7087	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:12:00 - [10] - Quote I just need to give up on vehicles until the respec This is bullshit I don't understand how a non vet is supposed to ever become a vehicle user. AV is so ********, I don't even want to use my own it's so stupid. You're either the best tanker or you're dead.

Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 302	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:23:00 - [11] - Quote I'm hell bent on being a troop transport pilot (read flying hearse). Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't. I only do it when I have a communicating squad of about four or more.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7087	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:26:00 - [12] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: I'm hell bent on being a troop transport pilot (read flying hearse). Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't. I only do it when I have a communicating squad of about four or more. I burned through about 100 million ISK right as Uprising launched trying to make a PC worthy transport. It left me bitter and full of hatred, not to mention dirt poor
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 302	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:40:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: I'm hell bent on being a troop transport pilot (read flying hearse). Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't. I only do it when I have a communicating squad of about four or more. I burned through about 100 million ISK right as Uprising launched trying to make a PC worthy transport. It left me bitter and full of hatred, not to mention dirt poor I was infantry before I started speccing vehicles, so I have a bit of a buffer in terms of infantry skills. As a result I only deploy vehicles according to map. I've found that a part of the problem concerning vehicles actually concerns some of the maps and their design. This includes everything from size to turret placement. The newer maps I find are a little more vehicle friendly than those like Ashland, Line Harvest and Manus whatever we call it now. I actually manage to mostly successfully fly on the newer larger maps, and I coordinate with my squad to take out AV for me. It works a decent enough amount of the time that I mostly break even across a few matches if I'm not stupid about my flying, which I can amittedly be. Plus I run infantry when some of the lifer maps pop up so it works out. And yes I know a lot of vehicle specialists did not spec infantry so my situation is different. Edit: Forgot to mention I fear forge guns as a pilot more than swarms. Forges and stupidly placed rail turrets.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 790	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:46:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: To say that swarm launchers are the dumbest thing in this game. At least forge guns need to aim I agree 100%. Even the ar is harder to use
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7088	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:48:00 - [15] - Quote I'm gonna give myself an anxiety attack trying to pilot, I need to either just run BPOs or quit until vehicle balance happens, I burn through so much ISK so fast and it seriously makes me hate this game.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1192	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:49:00 - [16] - Quote Humble Seeker wrote: I see where you're coming from. But forges can hit with pinpoint precision from the opposite side of the map. Swarms? Nah. You can see those from a mile away, and have at least a few seconds to take cover behind something. So I'd say swarms deserve the tracking feature. Would it be fun to try them without it? Heck yes. Effective? Who knows. Swarms don't render if you're in a vehicle for some reason. I see them in my boots, but never in my tank somehow.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1339	Posted - 2013.10.21 16:58:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: To say that swarm launchers are the dumbest thing in this game. At least forge guns need to aim It boils down to this: - People like to claim the Swarm Launcher is Easy Mode because it is the easiest weapon in the game to aim. - However if you applied this standard consistently then Red Line Sniping would be Hard Mode, as it is the hardest aiming situation. I mean think about it. They have to crouch down, and take several seconds to line up their shots against people the size of ants. - If you think about why Red Line Sniping is not Hard Mode, then you might start to realize why Swarm Launchers are not Easy Mode. Now if you want to stop harping on the Swarm Launcher mechanic, then maybe we can get down to a real balance discussion. Swarm Launchers were fine back in 1.2. No one complained about them then. Of course they have been buffed twice since, so I agree that they are OP right now. I am in favour of increasing HAV effective health, but giving AV 10 WP for every 1000 damage done against Vehicles. If it took more hits from AV to kill a Tank then the Tanks would have more time to react and find cover. It would also reward AV for driving off a Tank rather than only rewarding for the kill. Sometimes driving the tank off is all that is needed. I think there should be a Lock On warning for all Vehicles, particularly Drop Ships. I think Drop Ships should be able to equip counter measures such as flares. Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7089	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:02:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire? Who said anything about dumb fire? I'm just raging because I don't see how it's possible to become a vehicle specialist if you aren't already one. Thank God this game isn't on disc because I really want to snap it in half right now, almost a year of vehicle abuse and I'm at my limit, I can't ***** handle it right now. Infantry play is God awful boring and unless you have all your vehicle skills maxed you might as well just forget about it if the enemy team is even halfway awake. I'm just so ***** done right now
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San The Ascendancy 49	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:03:00 - [19] - Quote If people complain about swarms with the lock on feature then if they got rid of it tanks would have to be made slower
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7089	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:15:00 - [20] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If people complain about swarms with the lock on feature then if they got rid of it tanks would have to be made slower I don't care if it auto aims or whatever, just why the hell do they do so much damage to armor? Proto AV in general is stupidly OP vs vehicles

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1339	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:51:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire? Who said anything about dumb fire? I'm just raging because I don't see how it's possible to become a vehicle specialist if you aren't already one. Thank God this game isn't on disc because I really want to snap it in half right now, almost a year of vehicle abuse and I'm at my limit, I can't ***** handle it right now. Infantry play is God awful boring and unless you have all your vehicle skills maxed you might as well just forget about it if the enemy team is even halfway awake. I'm just so ***** done right now I can sympathise with you there. Vehicle balance has taken too long. You guys are in a bad situation and being asked to just keep holding your breath for yet another month.... or two .... lets hope it is only two! ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1339	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:54:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If people complain about swarms with the lock on feature then if they got rid of it tanks would have to be made slower I don't care if it auto aims or whatever, just why the hell do they do so much damage to armor? Proto AV in general is stupidly OP vs vehicles Lock on warning + Active Explosive Damage Resistance modules would do a lot to alleviate this problem. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7089	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:55:00 - [23] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire? Who said anything about dumb fire? I'm just raging because I don't see how it's possible to become a vehicle specialist if you aren't already one. Thank God this game isn't on disc because I really want to snap it in half right now, almost a year of vehicle abuse and I'm at my limit, I can't ***** handle it right now. Infantry play is God awful boring and unless you have all your vehicle skills maxed you might as well just forget about it if the enemy team is even halfway awake. I'm just so ***** done right now I can sympathise with you there. Vehicle balance has taken too long. You guys are in a bad situation and being asked to just keep holding your breath for yet another month.... or two .... lets hope it is only two! Yea, I've burned millions upon millions of ISK trying to make it work just in pubs, nevermind PC. I need to just stop playing or force myself to run only BPOs, I just get so painfully bored. Ugh, I feel bad too cuz my corp helped me with a little ISK and it's already gone. I just need to stop, it's so stupid.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1339	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Tell me, which would be more fun? Implementing my ideas? Or making Swarm Launchers dumb fire? Who said anything about dumb fire? I'm just raging because I don't see how it's possible to become a vehicle specialist if you aren't already one. Thank God this game isn't on disc because I really want to snap it in half right now, almost a year of vehicle abuse and I'm at my limit, I can't ***** handle it right now. Infantry play is God awful boring and unless you have all your vehicle skills maxed you might as well just forget about it if the enemy team is even halfway awake. I'm just so ***** done right now I can sympathise with you there. Vehicle balance has taken too long. You guys are in a bad situation and being asked to just keep holding your breath for yet another month.... or two .... lets hope it is only two! Yea, I've burned millions upon millions of ISK trying to make it work just in pubs, nevermind PC. I need to just stop playing or force myself to run only BPOs, I just get so painfully bored. Ugh, I feel bad too cuz my corp helped me with a little ISK and it's already gone. I just need to stop, it's so stupid. If you walk away from the Game it will still be there when you come back. It might be harder to walk away from your Corp, but if they have any compassion they will understand based on the current state of vehicles. It is clear that you are suffering from burn-out, exacerbated by serious problems in the aspect of the game you want to play. Continuing to pound your head against the wall will not make it feel any batter. Take a break, and come back to the game fresh in a few weeks. The vehicle balance will be much closer by then.


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