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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:52:00 -
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ok so i have been using swarms for all of dust LITERALLY my FIRST proto weapon and i have 100% all the swarm skills maxed and it needs major adjustments i would like discussion with other skilled swarm users.
now you may say swarms require no skill..well then you probably dont know the difference between a skilled swarmer and a non skilled one because of how terribly unbalanced things are.
so to begin
my stnd av suit is a mlt fitted dragonfly with cbr7's 1 dmg mod..if i have engaged you in the past month is has been with this(i feel bad my apologies to my old tanking brethren for my stocking massacres) this is as close to a fair fight as i will go..it has the dmg to kill you but the suit can only take 1 round from a blaster
1 swarms need to have they're effectiveness vs shields lowered they are to effective...(in tanks current state i kill all vehicles with that adv swarm caldari and gallente.
2 your nerf to swarm this last build ...and yes it was a nerf...just not while applied to adv and stnd tanks, currently it is only a buff because no tank can take 3 shots from prof v swarms with 3 x dmg mods...so the faster firing ability is the only factor of the nerf that matters atm..vs proto tanks that would tank 10-15 of these a reload at 3 rockets over 5 is a huge nerf. and perfect (although monetarily painful for vehicles )thank you
3 the assault swarm launcher..i would like the assault form of the swarm to have rockets that do 200 and with a rocket total of 10 keep the split swarm ability and pg cpu stats rated damage for all rockets would be 2k so 100 less than proto wyka i would also like its range nerfed to 200m-300m
4specialist swarm...should be like the breach swarm i want the zoom ability brought out for that swarm only it currently has the longest firing time so it should have the most dmg i want a dmg buff to the specialist it should do more dmg than the wyka stnd swarm type....i want the range extended to 500m |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:46:00 -
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Pretty good idea.
But you are about to receive a massive flood of hate |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:00:00 -
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I like what im reading here as a tanker it woukd introduse a bit more skill to swarm launcher opperation. And also make swarmers choise different swarms for different kind if threats.. I.e. multiple vehicle threats so pull out an assault varient , or speed tanked ds so oull out the specilist varient .
The inly thing id like to ask is when you chatt about changing tracking abikity would you propose the assault varients have a lower tracking than the current model or woukd you take the current tracking model and apply that to the assault varients then buff tracking on the normal and specilist varients? |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:03:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I like what im reading here as a tanker it woukd introduse a bit more skill to swarm launcher opperation. And also make swarmers choise different swarms for different kind if threats.. I.e. multiple vehicle threats so pull out an assault varient , or speed tanked ds so oull out the specilist varient .
The inly thing id like to ask is when you chatt about changing tracking abikity would you propose the assault varients have a lower tracking than the current model or woukd you take the current tracking model and apply that to the assault varients then buff tracking on the normal and specilist varients? the current tracking model i would consider to be the specialist tracking ..but if they made it a medium point and gave the assault lower tracking than currently and the specialist higher i would be fine with that..personally used as a long range weapon the specialist may need a buff to tracking but who can say until the variation is made and tested..using current tracking as either a medium ground or max ground would be fine by me ..and as i said ive used it for all of dust |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:10:00 -
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If they took the current model and applied that to tge specilist then nerfed down for the other varients I would be good with that as the current model sees swarms pull 180s and bend roun impossible corners . Don say you havent seen it lol. I defo would welcome some change to the swarm launcher. As you pointed out only insanely brick or buffer tanked havs can with stand 3 vollys at prof 5 and 3 complec dammage mods that combind with invisible swarms and decreased clip empty time = dead tank before tgey can react. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:26:00 -
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I like everything but I love your Assault swarm suggestion. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:01:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:If they took the current model and applied that to tge specilist then nerfed down for the other varients I would be good with that as the current model sees swarms pull 180s and bend roun impossible corners . Don say you havent seen it lol. I defo would welcome some change to the swarm launcher. As you pointed out only insanely brick or buffer tanked havs can with stand 3 vollys at prof 5 and 3 complec dammage mods that combind with invisible swarms and decreased clip empty time = dead tank before tgey can react. i agree 100% |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:05:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:pegasis prime wrote:If they took the current model and applied that to tge specilist then nerfed down for the other varients I would be good with that as the current model sees swarms pull 180s and bend roun impossible corners . Don say you havent seen it lol. I defo would welcome some change to the swarm launcher. As you pointed out only insanely brick or buffer tanked havs can with stand 3 vollys at prof 5 and 3 complec dammage mods that combind with invisible swarms and decreased clip empty time = dead tank before tgey can react. i agree 100%
You sir get a like and join my kist of non scrubby swarm operatives . If you truly do use the cbr (my go to swarm) and strap it to a scout suit and destroy my tank you get a pat on the back for acctually wanting a chalange and not a win button. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:07:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:pegasis prime wrote:If they took the current model and applied that to tge specilist then nerfed down for the other varients I would be good with that as the current model sees swarms pull 180s and bend roun impossible corners . Don say you havent seen it lol. I defo would welcome some change to the swarm launcher. As you pointed out only insanely brick or buffer tanked havs can with stand 3 vollys at prof 5 and 3 complec dammage mods that combind with invisible swarms and decreased clip empty time = dead tank before tgey can react. i agree 100% You sir get a like and join my kist of non scrubby swarm operatives . If you truly do use the cbr (my go to swarm) and strap it to a scout suit and destroy my tank you get a pat on the back for acctually wanting a chalange and not a win button. my dragon fly fit 26 k is more than sufficient for most any tank in dust sadly sight remember the days when we had to hunt those tanks down |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:09:00 -
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I used to enjoy the hunt.. using adv forges and swarms . I only broight out proto for imfamous tankers who knew their stuff. |
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:15:00 -
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I rarely go AV, unless theres an ADS thats trying to play huey gunship, in which case i use my Dau forge, i let others handle things. Though if push comes to shove: Adv minnie assault, cbr7 and smg Enh dmg mod 2x cmplx extender
Basic CpU Enh cardiac
std av nades Std nano
Don't like running my proto assault much anymore, besides on that all i'd have is 2 dmg mods and an extra extender |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:23:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I used to enjoy the hunt.. using adv forges and swarms . I only broight out proto for imfamous tankers who knew their stuff. back when they're actually was a hunt...now i generally dont see vehicles and if i do i use cheap gear even infamous tankers dont warrant proto anymore unless your being cruel |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:25:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:I rarely go AV, unless theres an ADS thats trying to play huey gunship, in which case i use my Dau forge, i let others handle things. Though if push comes to shove: Adv minnie assault, cbr7 and smg Enh dmg mod 2x cmplx extender
Basic CpU Enh cardiac
std av nades Std nano
Don't like running my proto assault much anymore, besides on that all i'd have is 2 dmg mods and an extra extender my standard pub suit stnd amarian assault laser rifle toxin smg locus nade 2x complex shield ext 1 basic armor rep basic nano |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:31:00 -
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I'm a big AV player and I think you make several solid or at least viable recommendations; particularly the note about Assault Swarms.
One thing I would actually like is a trade off in missle tracking for projectile speed. I there are some physics bending that goes on with swarms in their current state that is a bit crazy...that said, I can't stand it when dropships OUTRUN missles. That's ridiculous.
I think overal the trade off would require more skill on part of the AV'er to pick their shots and adjust their launch points and the vehicle operator has to change their paradigm on using terrain or vertical cover. On that note, I think it's also totally legit for vehicles to have some kind of ECM options such as profile dampener mods that have a chance to break the lock of some of the swarm missle projectiles (but not all) or have it take longer to lock on. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:35:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I'm a big AV player and I think you make several solid or at least viable recommendations; particularly the note about Assault Swarms.
One thing I would actually like is a trade off in missle tracking for projectile speed. I there are some physics bending that goes on with swarms in their current state that is a bit crazy...that said, I can't stand it when dropships OUTRUN missles. That's ridiculous.
I think overal the trade off would require more skill on part of the AV'er to pick their shots and adjust their launch points and the vehicle operator has to change their paradigm on using terrain or vertical cover. On that note, I think it's also totally legit for vehicles to have some kind of ECM options such as profile dampener mods that have a chance to break the lock of some of the swarm missle projectiles (but not all) or have it take longer to lock on. ecm modules would be cool |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:06:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:pegasis prime wrote:I used to enjoy the hunt.. using adv forges and swarms . I only broight out proto for imfamous tankers who knew their stuff. back when they're actually was a hunt...now i generally dont see vehicles and if i do i use cheap gear even infamous tankers dont warrant proto anymore unless your being cruel
this is sadly true, my dau and cbrs are more than ample for soloing most havs, I look forward to meeting you on the field, ( ill be the guy in the gunlogi killing all your team mates |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:21:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:pegasis prime wrote:I used to enjoy the hunt.. using adv forges and swarms . I only broight out proto for imfamous tankers who knew their stuff. back when they're actually was a hunt...now i generally dont see vehicles and if i do i use cheap gear even infamous tankers dont warrant proto anymore unless your being cruel this is sadly true, my dau and cbrs are more than ample for soloing most havs, I look forward to meeting you on the field, ( ill be the guy in the gunlogi killing all your team mates last i checked no vehicle goes rampaging on the field after they make the mistake of engaging me i do not hunt tanks any more but if you shoot me ill swap to a cheap av suit and kill you :) |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.03 11:42:00 -
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bump
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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