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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Skihids wrote:I'd like to know just what people object to when they say "Uplink spam".
What precisely is the issue that will get "fixed" by the proposed limitations? uplinks probly the most unbalanced part of this game still in and thats saying something. corps just spam uplinks around an objective and keep spawning there instead of using any tactics. ^THIS. It has destroyed all tactics..you win now by destroying their uplinks and spamming yours. Says the two guys in NPC corps. says the guy riding EONs nuts. but ur known as an OP whiner.......so I guess if u arent crying about it maybe I should reconsider.
What does me being in R*S and part of the EoN alliance have to do with anything? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:20:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced.
Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? |
Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
149
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks?
Because they're worthless scrubs. If they really want to fix uplink "spam", the solution has nothing to do with the uplinks themselves and everything to do with the core gameplay. They're also trying to play an ad hominem argument by insulting your corporation, which we all know makes them totally correct.
Scrubs, please kill yourselves repeatedly. It's all you're good for. |
Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks?
because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:37:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Uplinks are fine for infantry
What about vehicle pilots? I can use a Logi DS with an inbuilt MCRU and have 20ppl spawn in it, do i get any WP? no
So how about infantry stop crying which obv works very well for them
That's lame and should be fixed. No reason for that to be different than other spawns. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:38:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you.
Scrub
What now? |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:41:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you. Scrub What now?
pretty sure he's one of the best snipers in the game. He's saying he's not a scrub....not that he's going to come 2 ur house, idiot. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
312
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:45:00 -
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Speaker you've been out in the sun too long or something.
Uplink spam (among many other things) one of the main reasons I barely play this game anymore. Came to the forums to see what people thought of the EVE Vegas info.
Sorry, no one with a brain thinks uplinks are operating as intended. The pure fail behind their design means cloaks will probably be the nail in Dust's coffin. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
220
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:46:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced.
That's a specious argument at best. I mentioned this in my post. Weapons are a completely different thing, when one weapon does the job of multiple others, and better, that's unbalanced. When people stop using primary weapons and dual wield sidearms there's an obvious problem. When there's only the one kind of spawn mechanic that everyone can use equally, what exactly is it unbalanced against? Only spawning from the MCC? Good quality competitive squads use more than just assault class players. Should be we get rid of logis and heavies too? Just because winning teams use something doesn't make it inherently unfair. That's an idiotic defense of your point, it proves nothing. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:52:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you. Scrub What now? pretty sure he's one of the best snipers in the game. He's saying he's not a scrub....not that he's going to come 2 ur house, idiot.
Having a Charge and Thale's doesn't make you good. If he could get headshots with ADV rifles, then he could be considered good. |
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Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:53:00 -
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ur talking about flawed logic? please check what u wrote..any class except heavies can use uplinks too. the same way anyone could use flaylocks. logic fail trying to correct others. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
221
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:23:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:ur talking about flawed logic? please check what u wrote..any class except heavies can use uplinks too. the same way anyone could use flaylocks. logic fail trying to correct others.
I did read it. Read it twice when I edited it to make sure it was accurate. I'm still waiting to hear what uplinks are unbalanced against. Flaylocks were unbalanced against mass drivers, for example. Reading comprehension fail. Again, attacking the argument of others without offering alternatives is not actually an argument. I'm done with this thread unless one of you trolls can come up with a coherent argument. This is an abject waste of my time. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:17:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:
How about you come up with an idea to make them more useful? "Uplinks are stoopid and I want moar SP for killing" is not a solution.
Incidentally, if whomever that was IS "one of the best snipers in the game" (or perhaps his alt is at least, tough guy, daring people to call him a scrub, how else is spkr supposed to interpret that, lol), what is his beef with uplinks? He wants people to have to run across open plains to be easy targets?
I think you hit the nail on the head. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:19:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:ur talking about flawed logic? please check what u wrote..any class except heavies can use uplinks too. the same way anyone could use flaylocks. logic fail trying to correct others.
Every class can use a flaylock, Thale's or Duvolle TAR. Should it be nerfed so that only Logis can use the flaylock, snipers the Thale's, and assault the Duvolle TAR?
What exactly is your problem with forward spawns? |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:03:00 -
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nothing unless being able to spawn right on the objective on a 400m map second only to gun game when it comes to winning. It needs to be toned down so that tactics can better evolve.
like that Dust wont let people spawn on top of friendlies like BF but letting people drop 3 uplinks in target area almost just as bad. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.10.21 05:12:00 -
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I see that the thread has been derailed and nobody articulated precisely what problem is caused by "uplink spam" that any of these suggested limitations solve.
All I've heard is "I don't like them for some unspecified reason, so do X to them."
We can't begin to discuss the merits of any of these proposed changes if we don't know the issue it's supposed to fix, much less if we agree that the issue is really a problem.
Uplink placement IS a tactic. As a Logi I shape the battle by strategic placement of my uplinks. I decide where the front line is by where I put them, and that is often a decisive factor in the tide of battle. That takes much more time, risk, and thought than throwing a few in a pile and should be rewarded. |
DustMercsBlog
Galactic News Network
84
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Posted - 2013.10.21 09:32:00 -
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might suggest you look at our recent retweets from our twitter account. we polled relevant players from the game that are veterans and have been major players in PC among other things. https://twitter.com/NewEdenGNN
not one suggested uplink spam was not a problem, NOT ONE. moreso many of the suggestions were the same Prius made in the OP. |
Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:09:00 -
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Nothing frustrates me more than going against a team with uplinks in places where only dropships can get to. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:54:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:nothing unless being able to spawn right on the objective on a 400m map second only to gun game when it comes to winning. It needs to be toned down so that tactics can better evolve.
like that Dust wont let people spawn on top of friendlies like BF but letting people drop 3 uplinks in target area almost just as bad.
Yeah, spawning on someone with today's technology is balanced, but spawning on a teleporter 20,000 years into the future is unbalanced.
Do you even sci-fi? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:58:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I see that the thread has been derailed and nobody articulated precisely what problem is caused by "uplink spam" that any of these suggested limitations solve.
All I've heard is "I don't like them for some unspecified reason, so do X to them."
We can't begin to discuss the merits of any of these proposed changes if we don't know the issue it's supposed to fix, much less if we agree that the issue is really a problem.
Uplink placement IS a tactic. As a Logi I shape the battle by strategic placement of my uplinks. I decide where the front line is by where I put them, and that is often a decisive factor in the tide of battle. That takes much more time, risk, and thought than throwing a few in a pile and should be rewarded.
I wouldn't bother with them. They're in NPC corps. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that even before Dust, they weren't part of an organized clan or guild, so they wouldn't know about full-team tactics, nevermind small squad tactics.
I'm mainly a tanker, but am skilled into PRO forge, ADV HMG, ADV links, PRO rep tools, and ADV nanohives. I know what it's like to be infantry, and it's so incredibly easy. In a pub match before going to another PC, I pulled over 3000 WP out from somewhere. I have the two guys in my squad that would confirm it.
Infantry is easy. |
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:01:00 -
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DustMercsBlog wrote:might suggest you look at our recent retweets from our twitter account. we polled relevant players from the game that are veterans and have been major players in PC among other things. https://twitter.com/NewEdenGNNnot one suggested uplink spam was not a problem, NOT ONE. moreso many of the suggestions were the same Prius made in the OP.
Because as I mentioned before, they're in NPC corps, and cannot understand having many spawns to choose from, instead of the point itself and CRU, along with a few scattered uplinks. The problem I run into in PC is having to quickly move my left stick to get to the MCC to call in another tank instead of spawning somewhere forward.
They just don't understand it. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:02:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:Nothing frustrates me more than going against a team with uplinks in places where only dropships can get to.
Get a pilot. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
The Ascendancy
638
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:11:00 -
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A pro uplink that is invisible to adv scanners, radar and map. ?
You can still see it on the ground and destroy it. It should be a pg/cpu drain. Max spawns 5. 10% time delay. 1 active at a time.
Only you and squad can see it. ? |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
387
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:13:00 -
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The uplinks are just fine the way they are now. You don-Št need to fix something that is not broken. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1256
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:18:00 -
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Oh noes!! The Nerflings are back!
Get the Nerficide, quickly! |
Mad Syringe
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
25
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:21:00 -
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Uplinks are a counter to mob warfare...
If you zerg over a map with your "superior gungame" some well placed uplinks are what will bring you down.
If you don't get, that zerging has nothing to do with tactics, than nobody can help you.
Get a scanner, get them uplinks or better yet, get some good logis in your squad.
The only problem with uplinks, is the framerate issue in matches where a lot of them are deployed (also hives) that's it.
So simplify the animations, or whatever is necessary to improve framerate, and we're fine.
Also the more uplinks on one place the easier they are taken out with a flux nade... just sayin!
Cheers |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
887
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:30:00 -
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Horrible, horrible article, I disagree entirely.
Yeah, let's make it "Call of the Battlefield"...
DUST needs changes but none of them will keep me playing this game. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
384
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:35:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Horrible, horrible article, I disagree entirely. Yeah, let's make it "Call of the Battlefield"... DUST needs changes but none of them will keep me playing this game.
lol yes. Stopped reading at: "Heavies outrunning a scout"  |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
225
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:43:00 -
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DustMercsBlog wrote:might suggest you look at our recent retweets from our twitter account. we polled relevant players from the game that are veterans and have been major players in PC among other things. https://twitter.com/NewEdenGNNnot one suggested uplink spam was not a problem, NOT ONE. moreso many of the suggestions were the same Prius made in the OP.
All I saw was one thing from Nova Knife and 3 people agreeing. Well the one person suggested misspawns, which my god the ragequittjng would be ridiculous.
The argument that they "destroy tactics" is an interesting one. If you mean zerging, I'm not sure that's a better alternative. It all depends on your definition of tactics, you see. I would consider placing an out of the way but not too out of the way uplink near our rear objectives ( close enough to be useful but not to be seen by flankers coming to get the objective) an excellent tactic to prevent being outflanked. Same thing with a more forward objective so that you are not taken completely out of it by a Zerg rush, you respawn off to the side and try to outflank them.
I'd like to also point out that I too am not suggesting that spam is not a problem. What I ma saying is that some of the poorly thought out (and even more poorly presented/defended) "solutions" made here are just another massive nerf to,logis, penalize specialization, and slow the battles down significantly. There are other ways to do it besides arbitrary caps and nerfing WP. Beyond what I've listed here there are some other ideas I put in an earlier thread, I'll have to dig them up. Basically it was an equipment proficiency skill which dictated how many pieces of equipment you could have active at one time. That rewards specialization and keeps any random from throwing 3 uplinks at the supply depot and another 2 inside the same objective housing all within 20m of each other. |
DustMercsBlog
Galactic News Network
84
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:49:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DustMercsBlog wrote:might suggest you look at our recent retweets from our twitter account. we polled relevant players from the game that are veterans and have been major players in PC among other things. https://twitter.com/NewEdenGNNnot one suggested uplink spam was not a problem, NOT ONE. moreso many of the suggestions were the same Prius made in the OP. Because as I mentioned before, they're in NPC corps, and cannot understand having many spawns to choose from, instead of the point itself and CRU, along with a few scattered uplinks. The problem I run into in PC is having to quickly move my left stick to get to the MCC to call in another tank instead of spawning somewhere forward. They just don't understand it.
the man leading your alliance seems to. as do most of the CPM. Uplinks may be your crutch but the same rationale failed horribly with tac ars and everyone could use those too. also, uplink spam promotes and supports zerging if anything. |
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