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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:55:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:Read this piece recently and agreed. http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/2013/10/sandbox-514-making-dust-matter.html#moreUplinks in Dust are some of the most poorly designed items ever seen in a shooter. They are just too powerful and encourage spam rather than tactical gameplay. I dont think they should show up unless I actually see one or its scanned, but 1) one uplink should be the max we can put down 2) they have to have a much higher CPU/PG drain. 3) preventing them from being too close to each other is a great idea. if I put one down within 50m of another the existing field should prevent it. 4) lower the amount of spawns 3 milita, 5 standard, 10 advanced and 15 proto. hopefully they will really balance the cloak before adding it but it scares me looking how OP uplinks still are, so what else can be done to make uplinks better? The people on here have obviously never participated in PC.
The only thing that needs to be fixed about uplinks is we need at least one variant per meta level that is squad only. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:15:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:Read this piece recently and agreed. http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/2013/10/sandbox-514-making-dust-matter.html#moreUplinks in Dust are some of the most poorly designed items ever seen in a shooter. They are just too powerful and encourage spam rather than tactical gameplay. I dont think they should show up unless I actually see one or its scanned, but 1) one uplink should be the max we can put down 2) they have to have a much higher CPU/PG drain. 3) preventing them from being too close to each other is a great idea. if I put one down within 50m of another the existing field should prevent it. 4) lower the amount of spawns 3 milita, 5 standard, 10 advanced and 15 proto. hopefully they will really balance the cloak before adding it but it scares me looking how OP uplinks still are, so what else can be done to make uplinks better? The people on here have obviously never participated in PC. The only thing that needs to be fixed about uplinks is we need at least one variant per meta level that is squad only. That makes a lot of sense. It could be the specialist variant with lower fitting costs. If they ever get around to giving Logis bonuses for equipment (like a reduction to fitting costs) you could always increase the costs of the others and keep the squad ones where they are now for use by assaults. Gallente Logi bonus is -5% to PG and CPU of equipment per level. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:07:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Skihids wrote:I'd like to know just what people object to when they say "Uplink spam".
What precisely is the issue that will get "fixed" by the proposed limitations? uplinks probly the most unbalanced part of this game still in and thats saying something. corps just spam uplinks around an objective and keep spawning there instead of using any tactics. That in itself is a tactic, you just haven't had a good enough team to realize tactics yourself.
And uplinks unbalanced? LOL! Try tanking |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:10:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Skihids wrote:I'd like to know just what people object to when they say "Uplink spam".
What precisely is the issue that will get "fixed" by the proposed limitations? uplinks probly the most unbalanced part of this game still in and thats saying something. corps just spam uplinks around an objective and keep spawning there instead of using any tactics. ^THIS. It has destroyed all tactics..you win now by destroying their uplinks and spamming yours. Says the two guys in NPC corps. |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Skihids wrote:I'd like to know just what people object to when they say "Uplink spam".
What precisely is the issue that will get "fixed" by the proposed limitations? uplinks probly the most unbalanced part of this game still in and thats saying something. corps just spam uplinks around an objective and keep spawning there instead of using any tactics. ^THIS. It has destroyed all tactics..you win now by destroying their uplinks and spamming yours. Says the two guys in NPC corps. says the guy riding EONs nuts. but ur known as an OP whiner.......so I guess if u arent crying about it maybe I should reconsider. What does me being in R*S and part of the EoN alliance have to do with anything? |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:20:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:38:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you. Scrub
What now? |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:52:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:ur alliance leader says different. Mavado Noriega has even admitted how bad uplink spam is.
if u like it because it helps u win or get most of your points from it, fine. but right now ur the guy saying uprising flaylocks are balanced. Why are you interjecting a weapon into a discussion about uplinks? because unbalance is unbalance whether its an item or weapon, bro. And please call me a scrub...dare you. Scrub What now? pretty sure he's one of the best snipers in the game. He's saying he's not a scrub....not that he's going to come 2 ur house, idiot. Having a Charge and Thale's doesn't make you good. If he could get headshots with ADV rifles, then he could be considered good. |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:17:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote: How about you come up with an idea to make them more useful? "Uplinks are stoopid and I want moar SP for killing" is not a solution.
Incidentally, if whomever that was IS "one of the best snipers in the game" (or perhaps his alt is at least, tough guy, daring people to call him a scrub, how else is spkr supposed to interpret that, lol), what is his beef with uplinks? He wants people to have to run across open plains to be easy targets?
I think you hit the nail on the head. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:19:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:ur talking about flawed logic? please check what u wrote..any class except heavies can use uplinks too. the same way anyone could use flaylocks. logic fail trying to correct others. Every class can use a flaylock, Thale's or Duvolle TAR. Should it be nerfed so that only Logis can use the flaylock, snipers the Thale's, and assault the Duvolle TAR?
What exactly is your problem with forward spawns? |
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:54:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:nothing unless being able to spawn right on the objective on a 400m map second only to gun game when it comes to winning. It needs to be toned down so that tactics can better evolve.
like that Dust wont let people spawn on top of friendlies like BF but letting people drop 3 uplinks in target area almost just as bad. Yeah, spawning on someone with today's technology is balanced, but spawning on a teleporter 20,000 years into the future is unbalanced.
Do you even sci-fi? |
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:58:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I see that the thread has been derailed and nobody articulated precisely what problem is caused by "uplink spam" that any of these suggested limitations solve.
All I've heard is "I don't like them for some unspecified reason, so do X to them."
We can't begin to discuss the merits of any of these proposed changes if we don't know the issue it's supposed to fix, much less if we agree that the issue is really a problem.
Uplink placement IS a tactic. As a Logi I shape the battle by strategic placement of my uplinks. I decide where the front line is by where I put them, and that is often a decisive factor in the tide of battle. That takes much more time, risk, and thought than throwing a few in a pile and should be rewarded. I wouldn't bother with them. They're in NPC corps. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that even before Dust, they weren't part of an organized clan or guild, so they wouldn't know about full-team tactics, nevermind small squad tactics.
I'm mainly a tanker, but am skilled into PRO forge, ADV HMG, ADV links, PRO rep tools, and ADV nanohives. I know what it's like to be infantry, and it's so incredibly easy. In a pub match before going to another PC, I pulled over 3000 WP out from somewhere. I have the two guys in my squad that would confirm it.
Infantry is easy. |
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:01:00 -
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DustMercsBlog wrote:might suggest you look at our recent retweets from our twitter account. we polled relevant players from the game that are veterans and have been major players in PC among other things. https://twitter.com/NewEdenGNNnot one suggested uplink spam was not a problem, NOT ONE. moreso many of the suggestions were the same Prius made in the OP. Because as I mentioned before, they're in NPC corps, and cannot understand having many spawns to choose from, instead of the point itself and CRU, along with a few scattered uplinks. The problem I run into in PC is having to quickly move my left stick to get to the MCC to call in another tank instead of spawning somewhere forward.
They just don't understand it. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:02:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:Nothing frustrates me more than going against a team with uplinks in places where only dropships can get to. Get a pilot. |
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