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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:39:00 -
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8213 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:8213 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:The reason scouts want a buff is because medium suits do the "scout" job better than scouts.. I mean if that's not enough to warrant a buff I don't know what is lol.
If the smg did the AR job better as in more range more dmg more everything.... Wouldn't you want the AR to be buffed? Or smg Nerfed? Really? Because I just got out of a game against you, where your Scout walked right through my HMG and killed me from 3m away. You had 400 armor, and you were fast as hell(2x faster than your medium counter parts), and had plenty of killing power obviously... Seems a whole heck of a lot more than any Medium Frame can do in this game... Your argument is bullsh*t and void. No you're just bad at the game. Sure I went 35-2 but that's because my squad had a scanner so I knew where everyone was at. My scout had 98 shield 404 armor with a 7.5 sprint speed... 500 total hp is NOTHING compared to what an assault or logi can get. Hell my corp mate runs 500 shield alone with a proto shotgun AND is faster than me. He runs proto cal assault. Trust me bro.. If I went assault shotgun instead of scout shotgun.... I would be doing sooo much better. How is you able to survive a full frontal HMG blasting you; me being bad at the game? I lit you up, and could barely even see you through my hitmarkers. But you were able to survive long enough to blast through 1200 HP.... dude sorry, the evidence doesn't lie. You're argument of saying Scouts can just be dublicated by Medium Frames is void. Because if that was the case, then why were you using a Scout in the first place? Why does anyone use a Scout? So far, I've never heard an actual reason/ Apparently Scouts just like to purposely gimp themselves in this game, then complain about not having enough.
Yes, of course. One of the top players in the game, certainly one of the top scouts, is able to outmaneuver your aim once - and the scout in general is juuust fine.
Also, several attempts have been made already, in this very thread, to explain to you why people are running scouts even if mediums can perform anything bettter. Maybe you'll notice it if I state it in bold:
Because scouts used to be good when we invested the SP in the dropsuit. Then it got nerfed, nerfed and nerfed again. Now it's not very good anymore, while our considerable amount of SP is still tied up. We don't really feel like spending a month or more to level into a medium suit, when what we've already invested in instead should be made useful. |
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:
Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.
Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?
According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.
If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?
Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.
Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time. Wow, so not only is he considered one of the elite players in the game as it is, he's the most elite On Shotty GoBang's board... so that makes him the best DUST 514 player playing today, right? So, the best DUST 514 player happens to run Scout, for no apparent reason than to give the rest of us noobs a chance at the game. What a swell guy he is. What swell people ALL Scouts are... still, can anyone tell me WHY Scouts are being used if they need so much work? I shot shot a Caldari scout today with a charged SCR shot, he still was able to survive, and dance around me and nail me dead with his Shotgun. Radar from Outer.Heaven I believe it was. What do you suppose is harder? Him jumoing around me spamming a shotgun, or me landing a Charged SCR shot on him? Did the game reward me for my superior skill? Nope, because his fragile Scout suit was able to survive it. Simple as this. If mediums can do the job of a Scout better, than nobody would be using a Scout...
- There is no Caldari scout suit
- Radar is also one of the absolute top scouts in the game, and is not a good baseline for measuring suit effectiveness
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:52:00 -
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:
Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.
Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?
According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.
If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?
Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.
Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time. Wow, so not only is he considered one of the elite players in the game as it is, he's the most elite On Shotty GoBang's board... so that makes him the best DUST 514 player playing today, right? So, the best DUST 514 player happens to run Scout, for no apparent reason than to give the rest of us noobs a chance at the game. What a swell guy he is. What swell people ALL Scouts are... still, can anyone tell me WHY Scouts are being used if they need so much work? I shot shot a Caldari scout today with a charged SCR shot, he still was able to survive, and dance around me and nail me dead with his Shotgun. Radar from Outer.Heaven I believe it was. What do you suppose is harder? Him jumoing around me spamming a shotgun, or me landing a Charged SCR shot on him? Did the game reward me for my superior skill? Nope, because his fragile Scout suit was able to survive it. Simple as this. If mediums can do the job of a Scout better, than nobody would be using a Scout... I ain't gonna lie. You sound more butt hurt about being shotgunned to death than anything. Also, hardly anyone uses Scouts. From what I read there are only about 250 of us I think that use the suit on a regular basis? There are how many Medium Suit users? Thousands at the very least. Your entire argument is invalid as logical fallacy anyway. Causation does not imply correlation. Meaning that just because you died to a superior player who is more skilled than you and just happened to be playing as a Scout doesn't mean the suit is fine and doesn't need a buff. You're half right. I do get upset when I out play a guy but still end up on the losing end. You can't win them all. But the Scout has its Pros and Cons like everything else in this game. Its just scout users think that their suit shouldn't have any cons. They want more CPU/PG, they want more HP, they want more slots... they totally forget what they are getting into in the first place. Scouts have their advantages that no other suits can duplicate, but that's not enough for Scout users. Here's an idea. I want my Assaults buffed. I want more HP, more speed, more CPU/PG. Forget that I already have list of things I can do more superior than Logis, Scouts, Commandos, and Sentinels... I need more. Logis can do my job just as effective as me actually, so I want extra equipment slots too. Its not fair... because... well I don't have a reason, but I say its not fair. Why am I using Assault you say? Because back in Chromosome with stacked Damage Mods you were a beast. And it was by accident I went into Assault (Because some guy on here claimed him being a Scout was an accident that apparently he couldn't change until it was 4 million SP to late...). But now, since Uprising, they suck. My hitbox is to big, I only have one lousy equipment slot, I'm to slow compared to Scouts, and I don't have the HP that Heavies do. I need a slight buff... Your turn, maybe you can do what nobody else can. answer me this. If scouts are in such need of rework then why do people use them now? Why do people use this Frame that apparently has no positives to it?
Please direct me to the thread(s) where you've seen a majority of participating scouts all state that they want more HP, more speed AND more CPU/PG. It doesn't count if one scout wants more HP and another one wants more speed and a slight CPU/PG increase.
I personally want a slight speed increase and a useful base scan range. OR an extra equipment slot and a a CPU/PG buff to go with it. I certainly don't want an HP increase, I'm content with the meagre 300 total EHP I run on my advanced and proto gallente scout - if other aspects are improved. |
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