DUST Search - Nerf BPOs

Maken Tosch wrote:

pyramidhead 420 wrote:

stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's"

i dont care either way, just throwing it out there

Well, it sure as hell ain't gonna be AURUM refunds. I'll tell you why.

Back in closed beta, some players purchased BPOs by the bulk. Hundreds of them for a single player alone. Prices back then were cheap. 100-300 AURUM

Open beta comes. Prices skyrocket to as much as 1,000-12,000 AURUM

If CCP were to reimburse the players now, there will be some few ELITE players who will be in a position of financial power.

Let's say you bought 500 BPOs at 100 AURUM a piece back in closed beta. You spend 50,000 AURUM (just above $20 worth). If you get reimbursed now for the value of the BPOs (say 2,000 AURUM on average right now), then you will get 500,000 AURUM back. That means 450,000 AURUM will magically appear into your wallet with no more actual cash given to CCP. Now imagine players who have more than 500 units of BPOs while some of those BPOs are valued at close to 12,000 AUR. The math gets crazy.

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JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1079	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:31:00 - [61] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there How will you reimburse the Gurista Saga BPO's or Daemon Shotgun BPO's? They were never released on the in game market or in any pack are the most valuable?
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 816	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:35:00 - [62] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there How will you reimburse the Gurista Saga BPO's or Daemon Shotgun BPO's? They were never released on the in game market or in any pack are the most valuable? JL3Eleven's quote is false. Devs have been on the forum confirming that any BPOs players currently have, they will be keeping. What may not happen, however, is ever having the ability to transfer or sell them to other players. That's a big questions mark. But if you have a BPO now, it isn't going to go anywhere. Dev confirmed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4517	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:35:00 - [63] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there Well, it sure as hell ain't gonna be AURUM refunds. I'll tell you why. Back in closed beta, some players purchased BPOs by the bulk. Hundreds of them for a single player alone. Prices back then were cheap. 100-300 AURUM Open beta comes. Prices skyrocket to as much as 1,000-12,000 AURUM If CCP were to reimburse the players now, there will be some few ELITE players who will be in a position of financial power. Let's say you bought 500 BPOs at 100 AURUM a piece back in closed beta. You spend 50,000 AURUM (just above $20 worth). If you get reimbursed now for the value of the BPOs (say 2,000 AURUM on average right now), then you will get 500,000 AURUM back. That means 450,000 AURUM will magically appear into your wallet with no more actual cash given to CCP. Now imagine players who have more than 500 units of BPOs while some of those BPOs are valued at close to 12,000 AUR. The math gets crazy.
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1876	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:36:00 - [64] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think that if you deploy into any battle you should lose ISK. Just because you have a BPO, it doesn't meant you have the materials to supply it to yourself. I think that nothing in DUST should be free beyond the 4 starter fits. I say remove all BPOS from DUST 514. . . period/ translation Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Its not fair that people don't lose anything because they bought BPOs and I didn't, I demand that everyone require to lose something because I do. its not fair that people bought this stuff when it was available and I didn't, I want everyone to suffer because I didn't get anything.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 120	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:41:00 - [65] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there Well, it sure as hell ain't gonna be AURUM refunds. I'll tell you why. Back in closed beta, some players purchased BPOs by the bulk. Hundreds of them for a single player alone. Prices back then were cheap. 100-300 AURUM Open beta comes. Prices skyrocket to as much as 1,000-12,000 AURUM If CCP were to reimburse the players now, there will be some few ELITE players who will be in a position of financial power. Let's say you bought 500 BPOs at 100 AURUM a piece back in closed beta. You spend 50,000 AURUM (just above $20 worth). If you get reimbursed now for the value of the BPOs (say 2,000 AURUM on average right now), then you will get 500,000 AURUM back. That means 450,000 AURUM will magically appear into your wallet with no more actual cash given to CCP. Now imagine players who have more than 500 units of BPOs while some of those BPOs are valued at close to 12,000 AUR. The math gets crazy. what you just stated is why i dont think they have a clue as to how they are going to remove bpo's/reimburse players. as to post about the gruistas, im curious too, as i started dust with the ps3 pack in code and have said lav as well.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 439	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:42:00 - [66] - Quote and how much exactly does a player need to lose considering it only costs about 2k isk to get the equivalent of a bpo suit and fittings. also most people don't use a full set of bpo's anyway. my bpo suit setups cost around 15-20k each with the odd bpo fit where i can. pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there except they are not removing bpo's at all from inventory, just the sources of new bpo's such as the market or merc packs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7065	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:46:00 - [67] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: pyramidhead 420 wrote: stated at eve vegas, "looking for ways to reimburse players for future removal of ALL bpo's" i dont care either way, just throwing it out there Well, it sure as hell ain't gonna be AURUM refunds. I'll tell you why. Back in closed beta, some players purchased BPOs by the bulk. Hundreds of them for a single player alone. Prices back then were cheap. 100-300 AURUM Open beta comes. Prices skyrocket to as much as 1,000-12,000 AURUM If CCP were to reimburse the players now, there will be some few ELITE players who will be in a position of financial power. Let's say you bought 500 BPOs at 100 AURUM a piece back in closed beta. You spend 50,000 AURUM (just above $20 worth). If you get reimbursed now for the value of the BPOs (say 2,000 AURUM on average right now), then you will get 500,000 AURUM back. That means 450,000 AURUM will magically appear into your wallet with no more actual cash given to CCP. Now imagine players who have more than 500 units of BPOs while some of those BPOs are valued at close to 12,000 AUR. The math gets crazy. They were actually all set to do just that, then everyone cried and they stopped right at the last second. Help a broke ass cracker out
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:49:00 - [68] - Quote So much butt hurt in this thread.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 818	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:49:00 - [69] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: what you just stated is why i dont think they have a clue as to how they are going to remove bpo's/reimburse players. as to post about the gruistas, im curious too, as i started dust with the ps3 pack in code and have said lav as well. Honestly, that's why I think the BPOs that currently exist are here to stay. There's no way to "remove them fairly" without massively over compensating some people, or massively screwing over people. Especially EVE Second Decade purchasers. Best situation I can see, and one I've seen devs hint at (wish I could find the post...) is that BPOs may not ever be transferrable between players or characters. Lock 'em in place, never introduce new ones, and you limit the majority of the problem.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4518	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:50:00 - [70] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: So much butt hurt in this thread. I know right? Someone has to get you some Vaseline for your butt after the schooling we did to you.

Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1877	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:51:00 - [71] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: So much butt hurt in this thread. I know right? it looks like you hate it when people find things to overcome you without losing as much as you. welcome to new eden *****.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1874	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:51:00 - [72] - Quote my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:53:00 - [73] - Quote You guys are the ones that are butt hurt. Oh please don't take away my ISK fountain that I spent something called real life money on!!!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7065	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:53:00 - [74] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable. It's militia grade, why are people crying about them to begin with? Just limit them to where they are now and be done with it. The only BPOs that are even remotely damaging would be LAVs simply because there are no other free vehicles and a similar fit would cost 30-40K This scrub who started this thread thinks people can't earn ISK just paying for their militia gear, talk about someone who dies far more than kills. Oh wow, he's in a reasonable corp too....man, any old person can join these corps these days it seems.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4518	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:54:00 - [75] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable. One run per match is too limiting. Just locking them into a player hangar is good enough though. I'm ok with keeping my BPOs anyways.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4518	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:56:00 - [76] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: You guys are the ones that are butt hurt. Oh please don't take away my ISK fountain that I spent something called real life money on!!! Says the guy who is jealous about other people having BPOs.
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1877	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:57:00 - [77] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: You guys are the ones that are butt hurt. Oh please don't take away my ISK fountain that I spent something called real life money on!!! says the guy that wants to remove everyone's paid for merchandise because you don't have anything.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 433	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:58:00 - [78] - Quote ill happily sell my bpos back to CCP for 100M each. Nobody has a problem with players upgrading from BPOS to PRO right?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4521	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:04:00 - [79] - Quote I politely ask the TRUE TEA BAGGERS corp to please boot this guy out of their corp. You guys deserve better corp members than this guy.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1079	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:09:00 - [80] - Quote Who needs a Gurista Saga BPO plus booster and extras? Message me ingame

A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 392	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:24:00 - [81] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: ill happily sell my bpos back to CCP for 100M each. Nobody has a problem with players upgrading from BPOS to PRO right? Nah, don't want more Isk but locking it to your account would be acceptable so long as I get to keep and use mine as I do now.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7066	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:39:00 - [82] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Who needs a Gurista Saga BPO plus booster and extras? Message me ingame Aww, I just rage quit because I lost yet another million ISK to vehicle modules entering cooldown when activated. I'm raging so ******* hard right now
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 800	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:42:00 - [83] - Quote Oh sht I can't wait to sell bpos lol.
spoony moon Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:09:00 - [84] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable. It's militia grade, why are people crying about them to begin with? player run markets
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 412	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:16:00 - [85] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Selling 10+ Dragonfly & Toxic SMG Bp's !! :p Oh and a full set of Dren's aswell! ill take a smg bpo I'll take one as well. If I get the money can it be as low as 50 million or 15 million somehting like that. If it gets over 10 billion I'm out...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4535	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:57:00 - [86] - Quote spoony moon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable. It's militia grade, why are people crying about them to begin with? player run markets Still don't make sense though. By the time the secondary market comes around, only a few players will have access to them. By "a few players" I mean players like you and me who still have a chance to get them before they run out. These items will become super rare in the future. Take a look at Eve Online where there are still players who still own T2 Blueprint Originals before CCP no longer gave them out. Those players can still sell those BPOs at super-ridiculous prices. Imagine one day paying 5 Billion ISK in Dust for a BPO shield extender. That BPO better be worth the money spent. That's why I think making BPOs a one-run-per-match item would be foolish.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 75	Posted - 2013.10.21 22:18:00 - [87] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: spoony moon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: my idea is make BPOs one run per match also make them untradable. It's militia grade, why are people crying about them to begin with? player run markets Still don't make sense though. By the time the secondary market comes around, only a few players will have access to them. By "a few players" I mean players like you and me who still have a chance to get them before they run out. These items will become super rare in the future. Take a look at Eve Online where there are still players who still own T2 Blueprint Originals before CCP no longer gave them out. Those players can still sell those BPOs at super-ridiculous prices. Imagine one day paying 5 Billion ISK in Dust for a BPO shield extender. That BPO better be worth the money spent. That's why I think making BPOs a one-run-per-match item would be foolish. I think CCPs problem with BPOs is that with the current player base you are more than likely able to fit out a free fit far more often than they would like for a player driven market. What would be the point of having EVE players make us gear if we as a whole don't even need them too. Which I feel is very possibly a bigger problem than most realize. Everyone has BPOs.


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