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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:45:00 -
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in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:48:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3
I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"!
I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3353
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:53:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3
Nothing, that's they're choice but I wont have a negative standing with my faction no matter how much people try to troll me. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"!
I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
LOL you actualy made me smile ISW, glad your on the ball with CCP tho.
True Adamance wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 Nothing, that's they're choice but I wont have a negative standing with my faction no matter how much people try to troll me.
Im sure some people will be able to avoid it or work around it, but atm its way to easy to troll which will result in ruining it for a large magority of the player base. I think EVE/Dust needs a certin amoutn of trolling but this can be taken to the stupid lvl. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3353
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:04:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"!
I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
LOL you actualy made me smile ISW, glad your on the ball with CCP tho. True Adamance wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 Nothing, that's they're choice but I wont have a negative standing with my faction no matter how much people try to troll me. Im sure some people will be able to avoid it or work around it, but atm its way to easy to troll which will result in ruining it for a large magority of the player base. I think EVE/Dust needs a certin amoutn of trolling but this can be taken to the stupid lvl. One guy will not be able to affect your standings all that much, do not worry about it.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
469
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"!
I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
LOL you actualy made me smile ISW, glad your on the ball with CCP tho. True Adamance wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 Nothing, that's they're choice but I wont have a negative standing with my faction no matter how much people try to troll me. Im sure some people will be able to avoid it or work around it, but atm its way to easy to troll which will result in ruining it for a large magority of the player base. I think EVE/Dust needs a certin amoutn of trolling but this can be taken to the stupid lvl. One guy will not be able to affect your standings all that much, do not worry about it.
He will be able to get me banned from FW, though. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
169
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:12:00 -
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Not to mention that the one guy doing it on purpous will just agrivate the amount of actual acidental kills that are bound to happen. So say you kill 2-3 people by acident, then Smarty! suicieds on you 2-3 times. It could really add up. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1246
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:15:00 -
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Eve has a mechanic for fixing an price on goods that players trade, for game mechanic purposes. I'm talking about planetary interaction, where players pay a percentage tax rate on the value of the goods. But since the value fluctuates, they fix the price as far as the calculation goes and update it every year or so.
Why not do the same thing with Dust, and then use it for FF penalties. Instead of a number of kills, base it on the isk value of what you killed and set it high enough that it'd be hard to grief people by intentionally getting yourself killed in a cheap suit. It would also heavily penalize people who kill friendly vehicles, which is extremely difficult to do by accident. One HAV death is way more costly than a single proto suit, and the FF ban mechanic should probably reflect that.
And while we're on that, I'd suggest that small turrets be unable to do damage to the vehicle they're attached too. There's so many hit box problems with those things. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3353
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:30:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
He will be able to get me banned from FW, though.
Don't shoot if you don't have a clear shot. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
705
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Posted - 2013.10.19 06:27:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3
What is stopping him from just killing everyone on his own team ? |
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
334
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:31:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 What is stopping him from just killing everyone on his own team ? I can already see a Pro griefer at work on 10 acounts everyday, raping his way trough 30 games a day vs his own team.
If CCP is smart, there will be -A kick function after so many TKs. -A severe penalty of ISK -Good standing rewards like faction boosters as deterrents. Let me touch on this for a sec. If you have noticed all accounts on a PS3 have the same faction selections as the main account. There will be a penalty on switching or TKing and that should inhibit ISK gain and reward eligibility. CCP knows about your alts on the same console, trust me if you **** around on your alt in FW your main will suffer.
Really, once again the people who are going to get the shyt end of the stick are people who play the game right and those who DGAF will push people from FW into corps and eventually those corps will operate as deployable full teams.
Working as intended? |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
217
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:03:00 -
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Well hopefully this is where team queing will make a difference un FW. So you can fill the 16 places with decent players and less trolls |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1860
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"! I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
well if it was a game where only full squads could join then this shouldn't be a problem right? Maybe getting kicked out of squad during battle should just boot them from the match.
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1860
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:27:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 What is stopping him from just killing everyone on his own team ? I can already see a Pro griefer at work on 10 accounts everyday, raping his way trough 30 games a day vs his own team.
If your standing are low you'll only get 2 team kills per match, one more and you can't play for another 24 hours. why waste your time when you'll only end up killing 3 people? now a good greifer could balance standings and get a bigger buffer. So basically whats stopping multiple accounts is the ability to level up a single account to be a better greifer. |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1916
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"! I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
There isn't a proper way to balance this.... it's just a bad idea from start to finish. You can't put team killing in a public match setting for a F2P game. There are just too many ways to exploit it and troll people, and far too many people who actively will.
FW is going to be a nightmare with friendly fire. It works in PC, it won't work here.
When an orbital goes off target (and they do, especially with delayed eve orbitals which have a massive radius), whoever launched it is going to get instantly banned from the game. And if it is set up so that orbitals are immune to standing hits, it will become an epic team killing tool. |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:30:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I thought a better alt name would have been Smarty he gets on team comms and right as he is about to commit his ritualistic suicide he yells at the top of his lungs "Smartee"!
I already warned CCP about such troll tactics after all I seen it used in other games where consequences are far less. I am sure something could be thought up of, maybe a reverse standing penalty, someone with high number of getting team kills would actually reward LP when shot.
LOL you actualy made me smile ISW, glad your on the ball with CCP tho. True Adamance wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:in the up coming FW changes which inclued team killing, whats to stop someone from making an alt, we will call him "Jonny McTroll." Having him join a FW battle in a Free malita suit cooking a granade and letting it almost kill him, then jumping infromt of everyone on your team while their shooting at least 1-2 times a battle, ensuring no one ever gets any decent Faction standings?
Costs the troll nothing, recives maximum amount of tears and hate mail <3 Nothing, that's they're choice but I wont have a negative standing with my faction no matter how much people try to troll me. Im sure some people will be able to avoid it or work around it, but atm its way to easy to troll which will result in ruining it for a large magority of the player base. I think EVE/Dust needs a certain amoutn of trolling but this can be taken to the stupid lvl.
You can say the same thing about people protostomping in pub games ...
As alot of these guys say .. HTFU .. can;t have it your way all the time ... just as your entitled to protostomp, other players are equally allowed to go out of their way to mess up FW for you |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4504
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:06:00 -
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I think we're missing a very important point here about FW and the friendly-fire-troll case.
This might actually encourage players to go into factional warfare with people they can trust. This new setup might cause players to go into a whole new paradigm on how matches are played. Rather than go into a match blindly with a bunch of randoms, players might get encouraged by this to join a corporation and then build up a trusting relation with each other and q-sync squads and (hopefully) a whole team into the match thus mitigating the possibility of "John McTroll" having any real effect on the standings of the people he griefs.
There is also the metagaming aspect that we are overlooking here. New Eden, the universe/galaxy that both Eve Online and Dust 514 players reside in, is all about metagaming.
Wikipedia - Google Search wrote:Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. In simple terms, it is the use of out-of-game information or resources to affect one's in-game decisions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
This is a very important aspect that is part of a greater whole of New Eden. It's what helps set Dust and Eve apart from other games. Most other games would tend to ban you or discourage you from metagaming. Perhaps this whole thing about John McTrolls running around might be a positive thing for FW. |
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