DUST Search - If EVE Doesn't Have Respecs

Jack McReady wrote:

.... oooh who would guess that happens, another one of those answers. here I present you the typical guy with no clue and tunnelvision syndrome. first he says "not even true" and then he describes how it is possible to do it... and the best is how he first claims you have to spend time, then right afterwards he states that in EVE you just save time (contradict much?) but respec does not (LOL?), or how he describes that you get infinite SP. yeah because reallocation of SP does not save you time you would have to grind, right? or you suddenly gain extra SP for reallocating and your old specialization can still be used afterwards, right? r/\tard logic at its finest Roll

next please...

beside that, you are wrong, you dont have to spend a single minute in playing to do so.
-first, paying a second subscription does not require you to play and SP gain in EVE is purely passive. want to use something else? wait 1 - 2 months, play another game like the new GTA, come back to EVE afterwards and profit
-second, you buy plex, sell for isk ingame and buy a character for it. this is a matter of minutes to do.

RESULT:
-time spend grinding or actually playing EVE online => ZERO
-profit for CCP => maximum
-profit for player => maximum

in the meantime in dust you buy an EXPENSIVE booster and still have to grind alot to get the most out of it
"profit" for CCP in dust => 500 players leaving per month, no valid feedback from people like you and complains
"profit" for players in dust => slightly less grind

do you still want to voice your "opinion" against respecs? please do so, make yourself look stupid and amuse us Lol

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7018	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:41:00 - [1] - Quote Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1395	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:51:00 - [2] - Quote You really think ADHD players can deal with just passive SP and being stuck with milita for 3months?
The Robot Devil molon labe. RISE of LEGION 1053	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:54:00 - [3] - Quote We have implants. Buy a PLEX sell it for ISK and then buy your implants to train faster.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o Actually, you can, they just don't work in the same way. In Eve, each character has stats (intelligence, charisma, willpower, etc). Each skill uses two stats to determine how many SP are needed to earn a level in that skill. This means that if I have a lower perception stat than you do, it will take me longer to train a skill whose primary stat is willpower. To help with Eve does two things: 1. Period reassignment of points between stats 2. Implants that boost individual stat scores These are lacking in Dust, and now that I think about it, I am starting to see a reason lore wise why Dust mercs should get limited respecs periodically, so that Dust stays in line with Eve. As an alternative, I suppose CCP could introduce these stats and implants in Dust, but I think its too early for this.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4265	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: We have implants. Buy a PLEX sell it for ISK and then buy your implants to train faster.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 712	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote In EVE you just train several characters at once passively or you just buy a new character, which basically is a respec that youi pay money for. in short: everything against respecs is null and void.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1101	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:09:00 - [7] - Quote eve has subscriptions, and dust has boosters. that's pretty much it. you might think it's a bit more complicated then that but it really isn't, boosters are the replacement for subscriptions.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7019	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:09:00 - [8] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: We have implants. Buy a PLEX sell it for ISK and then buy your implants to train faster. At least in EVE you can lose those if you get podded, and I get the feeling they last just a smidge longer than an active booster (assuming you don't get podded) Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You really think ADHD players can deal with just passive SP and being stuck with milita for 3months? As an ADHD OCD player I can say that it would be a hell of a lot easier on me personally if we just had 100% passive with the same amount of SP gain as we do right now between the two. I would like to train skills like in EVE though, where you choose a skill to train and it passively trains in the background calisk galern wrote: eve has subscriptions, and dust has boosters. that's pretty much it. you might think it's a bit more complicated then that but it really isn't, boosters are the replacement for subscriptions. No, I'm actually totally aware of this, unfortunately. Boosters are the main thing they have to sell right now because that SP lure is the only thing drawing many people in. If all of a sudden everyone went to full passive SP the servers would dry up practically overnight because a large chunk of players play to get ahead, not to enjoy the game. They may enjoy the game while playing, but they're mostly just playing to get ahead in SP and in SP only, everything else is just gravy. I'm more or less just poking fun at people who say you can't have respecs because EVE doesn't do it, yet when you set the two SP systems side by side it's pretty clear they are not the same animals
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 713	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:11:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: We have implants. Buy a PLEX sell it for ISK and then buy your implants to train faster. At least in EVE you can lose those if you get podded, and I get the feeling they last just a smidge longer than an active booster (assuming you don't get podded) Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You really think ADHD players can deal with just passive SP and being stuck with milita for 3months? As an ADHD OCD player I can say that it would be a hell of a lot easier on me personally if we just had 100% passive with the same amount of SP gain as we do right now between the two. I would like to train skills like in EVE though, where you choose a skill to train and it passively trains in the background they last forever, as long as you dont die. beside that, you can have more clones than one, if you go out fighting you simply jump into a clone without implants and keep the one with implants safe in station. and I can only repeat myself, in EVE if I today decide I want a different pilot, I just go to the market and buy a different character... anti respec busted... the anti respec faction should just take their heads out of their a$$es and wake up from their tunnelvision trance or go play CoD where AR 514 kids belong. not everyone wants to play AR514 all day long and some people want to test other stuff to give feedback to the devs.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 653	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:18:00 - [10] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: In EVE you just train several characters at once passively for whatever you want or you just buy a new character that is trained for something else that you want to have, which basically is a respec. in short: everything against respecs is null and void. Not even kinda true. You have to pay a sub to train a character (plus other things, like log on, but we're only talking about training here), meanwhile in Dust all you have to pay is time - but that is the common element, you have to invest time in training a character. In EVE buying character for ISK isn't really like a respec at all - partly because you don't get to choose the exact skills (you'll only get characters that are 'close enough') but mostly because you have to invest time into purchasing the character (grinding ISK) - not only that, but the original owner also invested time in creating the character. In effect you're not buying and selling characters, you're trading time - just time spend slightly differently. That's the problem with respecs - you're effectively generating this finite and valuable resource out of nowhere - which is bad, rather than simply moving it around - which is good, or at least less bad.

Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:20:00 - [11] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: In EVE you just train several characters at once passively for whatever you want or you just buy a new character that is trained for something else that you want to have, which basically is a respec. in short: everything against respecs is null and void. 1. You can only train one character per account at an a time, just like in Dust 2. You can buy a new character but you cannot chose the skills; if that character has skills you don't want/need you cannot change them.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 713	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:28:00 - [12] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Jack McReady wrote: In EVE you just train several characters at once passively for whatever you want or you just buy a new character that is trained for something else that you want to have, which basically is a respec. in short: everything against respecs is null and void. Not even kinda true. You have to pay a sub to train a character (plus other things, like log on, but we're only talking about training here) and spend a long period of time doing so, meanwhile in Dust you have to spend the time - but that's the critical part of the system, you have to invest time in training a character. Once you realize that, it's pretty obvious that inn EVE buying character for ISK really isn't like a respec at all - partly because you don't get to choose the exact skills (you'll only get characters that are 'close enough') but mostly because you have to invest time into purchasing the character (grinding ISK) - not only that, but the original owner also invested time in creating the character. In effect you're not buying and selling characters, you're trading time - just time spend slightly differently. That's the problem with respecs, you're effectively generating this finite and valuable resource out of nowhere - which is bad, rather than simply moving it around - which is good, or at least less bad. wow what a ****... here I present you the typical idiot. first he says "not even true" and then he describes how it is possible to do it... **** logic at its finest and no you are a scrub with no clue. you dont have to spend a single minute in grinding to do so. first, paying a second subscription does not require you to play and SP gain in EVE is purely passive second, buy plex, sell for isk ingame and buy a character for it. time spend grinding => ZERO
Novawolf McDustingham The514th The Official Mintchip Fanclub 361	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote There's a lot of EvE holding back Dust from being a great game. Rigidly applying MMORPG game mechanics to a shooter in order to satisfy a small subset of lore-aspies is plainly not working - at all.
The Robot Devil molon labe. RISE of LEGION 1054	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:42:00 - [14] - Quote Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote: There's a lot of EvE holding back Dust from being a great game. Rigidly applying MMORPG game mechanics to a shooter in order to satisfy a small subset of lore-aspies is plainly not working - at all. To me it is the only thing keeping it alive. It would have failed in beta if didn't have a famous big brother.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 655	Posted - 2013.10.17 16:37:00 - [15] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: .... oooh who would guess that happens, another one of those answers. here I present you the typical guy with no clue and tunnelvision syndrome. first he says "not even true" and then he describes how it is possible to do it... and the best is how he first claims you have to spend time, then right afterwards he states that in EVE you just save time (contradict much?) but respec does not (LOL?), or how he describes that you get infinite SP. yeah because reallocation of SP does not save you time you would have to grind, right? or you suddenly gain extra SP for reallocating and your old specialization can still be used afterwards, right? r/\tard logic at its finest next please... beside that, *you are wrong, you dont have to spend a single minute in playing to do so.* -first, paying a second subscription does not require you to play and SP gain in EVE is purely passive. want to use something else? wait 1 - 2 months, play another game like the new GTA, come back to EVE afterwards and profit -second, you buy plex, sell for isk ingame and buy a character for it. this is a matter of minutes to do. RESULT: -time spend grinding or actually playing EVE online => ZERO -profit for CCP => maximum -profit for player => maximum in the meantime in dust you buy an EXPENSIVE booster and still have to grind alot to get the most out of it "profit" for CCP in dust => 500 players leaving per month, no valid feedback from people like you and complains "profit" for players in dust => slightly less grind do you still want to voice your "opinion" against respecs? please do so, make yourself look stupid and amuse us You sir, are infact the one who is mistaken, very much so as it turns out. 1st: You do spend time training characters in EVE - otherwise I could just drop some cash on a plex or two and instantly receive a pile of SP. 2nd: Buying PLEX to get a character (which gets hideously expensive pretty quickly) is irrelevant, you're still trading it for the time spent training the character. 3rd: Buying a booster, hell even playing at all, is optional. Go play GTA for a couple of months if you really want, your character will still be there waiting for you (unlike in GTA - easy target, but still ) and you'll even have a pile of SP to show for it). And finally, I haven't played CoD since the Modern warfare (the first one). In conclusion Not a cod scrub. You most definitely do spend time training EVE characters. PLEX or not, and time was still spent training any character you might buy in EVE. Buying boosters and even playing at all is optional, think of them as making the most of your investment of time. Respecs still bad (effectively creating a valuable resource out of thin air), you didn't actually say anything to defend them at all - you only tried (and failed) to refute my points. I'll even say it again for the hard of understanding. Time was still spend on any character you buy in EVE - it might not have been your time that was spent, but time was most definitely spent. Respecs are not like trading character because no time is spend on the 'new' skill points - this effectively gives you full refund on you time investment. Perhaps a good analogy would be a person who buys something from a store, uses it for a little while, gets bored and returns it for store credit. He then gets a new thing from the store using the credit, uses it, gets bored, returns it. Continue ad nauseum. Do you see the problem yet? Now partial respecs once full racial variants are released is different - that's a one time like for like exchange, and IMHO only fair.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.10.17 16:59:00 - [16] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: We have implants. Buy a PLEX sell it for ISK and then buy your implants to train faster. At least in EVE you can lose those if you get podded, and I get the feeling they last just a smidge longer than an active booster (assuming you don't get podded) Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You really think ADHD players can deal with just passive SP and being stuck with milita for 3months? As an ADHD OCD player I can say that it would be a hell of a lot easier on me personally if we just had 100% passive with the same amount of SP gain as we do right now between the two. I would like to train skills like in EVE though, where you choose a skill to train and it passively trains in the background they last forever, as long as you dont die. beside that, you can have more clones than one, if you go out fighting you simply jump into a clone without implants and keep the one with implants safe in station. and I can only repeat myself, in EVE if I today decide I want a different pilot, I just go to the market and buy a different character... anti respec busted... the anti respec faction should just take their heads out of their a$$es and wake up from their tunnelvision trance or go play CoD where AR 514 kids belong. not everyone wants to play AR514 all day long and some people want to test other stuff to give feedback to the devs. Ok - but buying a new character is not a respec. Also, by this token, Dust players will have to pay millions upon millions to buy a new character if you want to implement this. But we can agree it is still not the same as a respec - after all I still keep the original character with its skill points.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.10.17 17:11:00 - [17] - Quote I could see a limited SP respec twice a year (similar to how we can reassign stat points in Eve twice a year). I would say you need to be limited to respecing a limited amount of SP though, so that there is still a consequence for making a mistake in what you chose, just like in Eve. And yes, I am a long time Eve player, but I am also a long time Dust player. The games need to be similar, but not identical. At the same time, I don't like the idea of a carte blache to change everything about your character - I am a firm believer in living with your choices, good or bad.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 601	Posted - 2013.10.17 17:20:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o NVm all these carebear autopilot autotracking slightly better then tabtarget EVE scrubs. All their whining about EVE this and EVE that is why noone really plays this game anymore. But hey 10 year roadmap, in 10 years this game will be Awesome and every console FPS scrub will rue that day!
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.10.17 17:24:00 - [19] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o NVm all these carebear autopilot autotracking slightly better then tabtarget EVE scrubs. All their whining about EVE this and EVE that is why noone really plays this game anymore. But hey 10 year roadmap, in 10 years this game will be Awesome and every console FPS scrub will rue that day! Fail insult is fail.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 719	Posted - 2013.10.17 17:28:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o eve has boosters too, but only noobs use learning boosters.

GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:09:00 - [21] - Quote We will be getting a respec. New EP will be announcing it this weekend.
DAMIOS82 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 48	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:10:00 - [22] - Quote EVE does have a type of sp rollover system. You just don't see it that often. If CCP makes mayor changes to the skills, like i don't know a year ago or so, when they added a few new ones and removed a few of the older skills. Then you get the skill points back as unlocated skill points, which you then can spend on other things or the new skills. But like i said only if mayor changes are happening to the skill tree, other then that we have the neural remapping, but that's just for training skills.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7021	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:11:00 - [23] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: We will be getting a respec. New EP will be announcing it this weekend. Would not surprise me, I'm guessing it'll be part of the announcement for EVE Vegas Lots of cool new toys and a respec for all the upcoming changes.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1052	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:16:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o Because CCP is catering to a completely different mindset. I don't know if you can really tell, but not many people that play shooters want to wait a month or so to get to the next skill. People that play EVE though, know that's par for the course. Some people have been playing EVE since its first day. That's 10 years' worth of SP accrued. I'm not going to guess at how much SP those people have. See, the thing is, people that play shooters have become very, very spoiled. They want instant gratification. So, like having experience points shown on the screen when you gain them, CCP made it so you have both active and passive SP gain, plus boosters for both because, well, your average Call of Duty or Battlefield kid just doesn't want to wait for gratification. Hell, I'm checking Gamestop's site every day because I want to get a $10 PSN card from them, but it just isn't available. Why do I want that card? Because I want more boosters for more SP. I wasn't able to throw money at Dust like it was nothing, so I'm lagging behind in SP.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3268	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:29:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o No Dust player with no investment in EVE should not ever bring up EVE when talking about this game.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7021	Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Then why does DUST have boosters? I thought the games were in the same universe and that in EVE you can't spend a penny on SP, just more ISK? So EVE fanboys, if we can't have respecs because EVE doesn't have them, then why can we have SP boosters? O.o No Dust player with no investment in EVE should not ever bring up EVE when talking about this game. I actually have a character with about 17 million SP, sorry to burst your bubble. Just too poor for a sub and not enough time to PLEX since I'm a lone wolf. Also, your grammar makes it difficult to tell what your point is.


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