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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:50:00 -
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Hey guys,
With tomorrows (October 17th) downtime we will be making some changes to the price clones in planetary conquest. The changes are as follows:
- Clone sell price changed from 150,000 ISK to 110,000 ISK.
- Biomass price of clones (clones killed in battle) changed from 150,000 ISK to 100,000 ISK.
I owe you all an apology for the incredibly late notice on this. It is my fault and I take responsibility for that.
With that being said we are also looking at changing these numbers again next week in a fairly dramatic fashion. The current numbers favor players selling the clones they have instead of using them for fighting. What we would like to do next week is change the numbers to the following:
- Clone sell price changed to 60,000 ISK.
- Biomass price of clones (clones killed in battle) to 160,000 ISK.
Those changes would make it so that you make far more money by attacking. Before making a huge change like that however we would like to get some feedback.
TL;DR: Clone prices in planetary conquest are going down slightly tomorrow. Discussion happening here about making big change to clone prices.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:59:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Honestly, why not just change it to 60k and 160k tomorrow? With Corp taxes now in effect, Corps can just raise the tax if theyre running low on funds. Seems a lot better than nerfing individuals ISK payout and then buffing it higher than it was to start with a week later.
Honestly, because it a far more dramatic change and I wanted to be sure the community had time to respond and provide feedback on that change.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:13:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:there needs to be a fix to corps attacking themselves with an alt corp just to lock districts.
Tomorrows change makes it so that doing so will have to be done at a loss of ISK.
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:15:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Honestly, why not just change it to 60k and 160k tomorrow? With Corp taxes now in effect, Corps can just raise the tax if theyre running low on funds. Seems a lot better than nerfing individuals ISK payout and then buffing it higher than it was to start with a week later. Honestly, because it a far more dramatic change and I wanted to be sure the community had time to respond and provide feedback on that change. So its less dramatic to nerf individual payouts by 50k than it is to buff it by 10k? I can see how its less dramatic for the clone sell on the corp end, but if the goal is to get people fighting then the proposed change that will happen next week is what you want. Right now youre planning on hardcore nerfing individual payouts and nerfing the corp payout to a lesser degree. Therefore, that is LESS incentive to fight. Why fight and lose clones when you can not fight and gain more isk overall by selling those clones? So once again, just do the 60k and 160k tomorrow. Im usually a SocksFan, but Im not following you on this one.
The dramatic part is shifting the main money making over to having to be in a battle killing clones. Hell I even thought about just setting clone sell value to 0 ISK. >.<
To be honest, you and I may just disagree on which change is more dramatic. Not much I can do about that. I am more sad that it has taken me this long to get around to looking at and changing these numbers. Kind of kicking myself in the ass about that. Can't do anything about the past though.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:24:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:there needs to be a fix to corps attacking themselves with an alt corp just to now make more money than if they did nothing with the clones by suiciding blank militia fit alts in alt corps. fixed This is my thought. The money is still there, it's now just goes to the players instead of directly to the corp.
This is why I am against reducing the sell value straight to 0. Corps would mandate their players do that and crazy stuff.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:37:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:This Is Kinda BS for the corps that are taking districts and successfully defending ... Expect tickets evey day from my corp and all of our officers ( myself included) if you go through with this... It took us months to get where were at today and now your going to nerf are income. When eon was making hundreds of millions a day nothing was changed... WHERES MY CPM I WANT A MEATING ASAP!
You need to find a better way to deal with the corps locking districts for profit and not penalize those that are not locking their districts.... Your a tool SoxFour
Egypt Musk wrote:Seriously this is the fluff you reply to what is your problem sir ...
But I am just a tool... tools don't have self control. We just hit our head against walls. :(
More seriously:
I am not sure how much of a long story vs short story to make this so I am going to go more with short story.
Short story: We had plans for planetary conquest that relied on other things. Those other things ended up getting shelved/delayed/dropped/just not delivered. We are working on the design for planetary conquest 2.0 that does a lot of things very differently. We are in no way shape or form ready to talk about those designs yet. Right now we need to do more work on the designs and then decide: Do we just sort of tweak numbers for the current planetary conquest and wait until 2.0 comes along for the complete revamp? Or is 2.0 going to take to long and we need to spend development time on fixing 1.0.
Not so serious:
You said you wanted a meeting with the CPM, called me a tool, and sort of threatened to make lots of petitions if we went through with these changes. You didn't try to have a conversation or anything like that. I am not sure what kind of response to make...
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:45:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:there needs to be a fix to corps attacking themselves with an alt corp just to lock districts. Tomorrows change makes it so that doing so will have to be done at a loss of ISK. How does it cost any money if biomass money is laundered back to the owner corp wallets through the alt corp members wallets? Help me to understand...
Sure, let me break it down for you. I am going to break it down to how it looks after tomorrows changes, you can adjust the math for the proposed changes next week if you like. 
Actually, since I am lazy and don't feel like formating it to fit in a forum post, let me make a quick image for you:
Hopefully that helps.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:46:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Egypt Musk wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:there needs to be a fix to corps attacking themselves with an alt corp just to now make more money than if they did nothing with the clones by suiciding blank militia fit alts in alt corps. fixed This is my thought. The money is still there, it's now just goes to the players instead of directly to the corp. This is why I am against reducing the sell value straight to 0. Corps would mandate their players do that and crazy stuff. Seriously this is the fluff you reply to what is your problem sir ... Because his Troll Ignore Proficiency skill is 4 whereas mine is only 1
I may have had a lapse in that skill, possibly from a death and my clone not being fully upgraded (see above your recent post). Regranting myself all skills now.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:29:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:howard sanchez wrote:edit: quote quota...
Because his Troll Ignore Proficiency skill is 4 whereas mine is only 1 My post wasn't trollish in the slightest... it was a witty (er... for the forum...) way to point out an issue.
Pretty sure he was talking to Egypt Musk not you. :)
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:34:00 -
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Keep the feedback coming guys. I am going to focus some more on this FW document I am working on, then go home to get some sleep, and should be back looking over further feedback tomorrow. :)
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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