I read this and went are you KIDDING ME???
12 rounds in a second??

Tankers are going my tank is underpowered??

If 1.7 is true then just how is AV going to stand any chance at all versus:

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and
Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.



I was reading a thread about posible changes in 1.7 and I read this:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115737&find=unread

Railguns and missiles are getting buffed, however, not nerfed as you claim. Railguns will have smaller heat costs with higher damage per shot. Missiles also get increased damage per missile, in addition to the large variants being fully automatic with a 12 round clip and .15s fire interval, which will make large missile turrets have the highest DPS in the game.

Do you know how accurate missiles are?

Finally someone whose doing their homework on the subject.

Though I have to say the prospect of full auto missiles sounds scary..

If my Assault mass driver shot 12 rounds per second then who needs anything beyond splash damage??

i LOVE missle maddy as is now, CANT WAIT TO TRY THIS OUT

On the reload time for large missile turrets "10" is listed. So that indicates a single second?

Finally someone whose doing their homework on the subject.

Though I have to say the prospect of full auto missiles sounds scary..

I read this and went are you KIDDING ME???
12 rounds in a second??

Tankers are going my tank is underpowered??

If 1.7 is true then just how is AV going to stand any chance at all versus:

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and
Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.



I was reading a thread about posible changes in 1.7 and I read this:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115737&find=unread

Railguns and missiles are getting buffed, however, not nerfed as you claim. Railguns will have smaller heat costs with higher damage per shot. Missiles also get increased damage per missile, in addition to the large variants being fully automatic with a 12 round clip and .15s fire interval, which will make large missile turrets have the highest DPS in the game.

Fun facts (some of them already stated by Harpyja in above post):

1.8 seconds to fire all 12 missiles.
10 second reload time, 7.5 with max skills.
12 missiles will do around 6.4k damage with no damage mods etc.
A Madrugar hull has enough HP to survive that 6.4k damage with a single hardener active. Then add in plates or whatever it has fitted besides that.
After that 6.4k damage you're a sitting duck for 10 (or 7.5) seconds in which time the other tanker should have enough time to kill you unless he sucks (or has to reload as well, although blaster and railgun reload is shorter).

Because FG and swarms will still have a 300/400m distance where as your oh so awesome missiles can only hit to around 250, thus 50m short

Plus if you fire all missiles and dont get a kill you have a 7.5sec reloading time

If your hardners finish which they will do in about 30-40seconds then you have no resistances so they can waste you even easier

We have no AV numbers but if the range doesnt change for them then advantage AV once again while i waste my hardners/booster just to get to the objective before i get blown up at the objective because i used everything i had to survive just to get there

6.4 K damage??

6.4 K DAMAGE??

Yeah that missile tank is a sitting duck to some rocks or terrain.

What about the infantry??

Did you mean the DEAD infantry here or these smears that used to be infantry over here??

That means that objectives outside the city are a harvesting field for these "sitting duck" ..lol! missile tanks.

Anywho I will train up shotgun or mass driver and stay inside a city or run a sniper.

That's direct damage. 540 direct damage per missile. Not really more than now.

Splash damage is only 182 with a 1.5m blast radius.

HMMM begins to train tanks to try out these missile tanks.
Tanks are fine once 1.7 hits.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Finally someone whose doing their homework on the subject.

Though I have to say the prospect of full auto missiles sounds scary..

Fun facts (some of them already stated by Harpyja in above post):

1.8 seconds to fire all 12 missiles.
10 second reload time, 7.5 with max skills.
12 missiles will do around 6.4k damage with no damage mods etc.
A Madrugar hull has enough HP to survive that 6.4k damage with a single hardener active. Then add in plates or whatever it has fitted besides that.
After that 6.4k damage you're a sitting duck for 10 (or 7.5) seconds in which time the other tanker should have enough time to kill you unless he sucks (or has to reload as well, although blaster and railgun reload is shorter).

So a non vehicle pilot trys to tell a vehicle pilot that 'tanks are fine'

No

Yeah but every time CCP trots out these new changes its broken so once 1.7 or 1.8 hits then just to be safe its either trot out a tank or stay in the cities.

I will try out these new builds for a bit.
But after December hits I will be playing a few other games.

Nope.
A closed beta player remembers when Sagaris went 40 and 0 when driven by noobs and 70 and 0 when better drivers were on the field.

I will try out tanks in either 1.7 or 1.8
And if they are broken then this time I will not do the honorable thing and refuse to use them.

E3 build 2012.

When Sagaris was doing 70 and 0 driven by good pilots.

And someone said but there was no AV back then?

ERROR! try again!

Back then we made four hundred THOUSAND S K I L L P O I N T S per match.

Everyone was running proto forge guns, proto swarms, proto damage mods and it meant Jack Kitten versus a Sagaris.

It meant that as soon as you saw an enemy tank it was either quit or prepare to be Tank molested.

HMMM begins to train tanks to try out these missile tanks.
Tanks are fine once 1.7 hits.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Actually, 6.4k raw damage turns into about 8.3k armor damage. Assuming armor hardeners give 40% resistance, this turns into a little over 5k damage. So any Gallente tank without a plate will get destroyed. This is of course if it's shield is depleted.

However, if fitted correctly, a Gunnlogi can withstand the damage output from that tank long enough for the missiles to reload at max skills and shoot a second volley, if needed. All of this, is of course, assuming three things: armor resistance mod gives 40%, shield resistance mod gives 60%, and both tanks have no passengers operating the small turrets. Otherwise a Gunnlogi should win in most cases now if it has two small missile turrets that are operated as well.

Edit: did some further calculations and guess what? A Gunnlogi's shield can almost absorb an entire clip from a large blaster turret if fitted properly and the operator does the right things. The Gunnlogi might make it out in armor if it doesn't shoot back the whole time (and this is more than enough time to fire two full clips of large missiles to pop that armor tank). Of course, this may not be true with proto blasters, since their damage output is currently the same.

E3 build 2012.

When Sagaris was doing 70 and 0 driven by good pilots.

And someone said but there was no AV back then?

ERROR! try again!

Back then we made four hundred THOUSAND S K I L L P O I N T S per match.

Everyone was running proto forge guns, proto swarms, proto damage mods and it meant Jack Kitten versus a Sagaris.

It meant that as soon as you saw an enemy tank it was either quit or prepare to be Tank molested.

LOL Nobody was running PRO AV. Know why? Because it was ridiculously expensive. Ishukone forge was 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts.Turrets were cheap too. Now the best ones at PRO level cost near a million ISK each. Care to guess why?

this is not fully correct.

nobody used AV because back then it could not deal with a 20k ehp vehicle, plus it got nerfed against infantry which why it did not justify the cost.

this is not fully correct.

nobody used AV because back then it could not deal with a 20k ehp vehicle, plus it got nerfed against infantry which why it did not justify the cost.

Back then I saw a tank regens shields faster than 3 foge gunners could try to take it down, of course that was if we were lucky to land second and third hits.

I read this and went are you KIDDING ME???
12 rounds in a second??

Tankers are going my tank is underpowered??

If 1.7 is true then just how is AV going to stand any chance at all versus:

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and
Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.



I was reading a thread about posible changes in 1.7 and I read this:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115737&find=unread

Railguns and missiles are getting buffed, however, not nerfed as you claim. Railguns will have smaller heat costs with higher damage per shot. Missiles also get increased damage per missile, in addition to the large variants being fully automatic with a 12 round clip and .15s fire interval, which will make large missile turrets have the highest DPS in the game.