E3 build 2012.

When Sagaris was doing 70 and 0 driven by good pilots.

And someone said but there was no AV back then?

ERROR! try again!

Back then we made four hundred THOUSAND S K I L L P O I N T S per match.

Everyone was running proto forge guns, proto swarms, proto damage mods and it meant Jack Kitten versus a Sagaris.

It meant that as soon as you saw an enemy tank it was either quit or prepare to be Tank molested.

HMMM begins to train tanks to try out these missile tanks.
Tanks are fine once 1.7 hits.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Actually, 6.4k raw damage turns into about 8.3k armor damage. Assuming armor hardeners give 40% resistance, this turns into a little over 5k damage. So any Gallente tank without a plate will get destroyed. This is of course if it's shield is depleted.

However, if fitted correctly, a Gunnlogi can withstand the damage output from that tank long enough for the missiles to reload at max skills and shoot a second volley, if needed. All of this, is of course, assuming three things: armor resistance mod gives 40%, shield resistance mod gives 60%, and both tanks have no passengers operating the small turrets. Otherwise a Gunnlogi should win in most cases now if it has two small missile turrets that are operated as well.

Edit: did some further calculations and guess what? A Gunnlogi's shield can almost absorb an entire clip from a large blaster turret if fitted properly and the operator does the right things. The Gunnlogi might make it out in armor if it doesn't shoot back the whole time (and this is more than enough time to fire two full clips of large missiles to pop that armor tank). Of course, this may not be true with proto blasters, since their damage output is currently the same.

E3 build 2012.

When Sagaris was doing 70 and 0 driven by good pilots.

And someone said but there was no AV back then?

ERROR! try again!

Back then we made four hundred THOUSAND S K I L L P O I N T S per match.

Everyone was running proto forge guns, proto swarms, proto damage mods and it meant Jack Kitten versus a Sagaris.

It meant that as soon as you saw an enemy tank it was either quit or prepare to be Tank molested.

LOL Nobody was running PRO AV. Know why? Because it was ridiculously expensive. Ishukone forge was 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts.Turrets were cheap too. Now the best ones at PRO level cost near a million ISK each. Care to guess why?

this is not fully correct.

nobody used AV because back then it could not deal with a 20k ehp vehicle, plus it got nerfed against infantry which why it did not justify the cost.

this is not fully correct.

nobody used AV because back then it could not deal with a 20k ehp vehicle, plus it got nerfed against infantry which why it did not justify the cost.

Back then I saw a tank regens shields faster than 3 foge gunners could try to take it down, of course that was if we were lucky to land second and third hits.

I read this and went are you KIDDING ME???
12 rounds in a second??

Tankers are going my tank is underpowered??

If 1.7 is true then just how is AV going to stand any chance at all versus:

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and

Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.

1 second reload and
Boom,boom, boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom,boom.



I was reading a thread about posible changes in 1.7 and I read this:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115737&find=unread

Railguns and missiles are getting buffed, however, not nerfed as you claim. Railguns will have smaller heat costs with higher damage per shot. Missiles also get increased damage per missile, in addition to the large variants being fully automatic with a 12 round clip and .15s fire interval, which will make large missile turrets have the highest DPS in the game.