DUST Search - [REQUEST] Please improve Plasma Cannon

Roofer Madness wrote:

Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:

I think that since the PC is supposed to be an AV weapon (at least CCP said it was) it will get some balancing with the other AV weapons and veicles.
I agree that the scaling is terrible, 5% more damage from std to adv and from adv to proto is ridicoulus conisdering the huge CPU usage and cost, should be 10%.
And the skill is useless.

In-game description:

"The plasma cannon is a single-shot, direct-fire weapon developed for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius."

It is not AV. I know CCP stated this somewhere a long time ago but it is wrong. The in game description and the way the weapon behaves will tell you it is both AI and AV, though it really excels in CQC. That said the ole flux, plasma combo will make short work of weaker tanks and it's pretty funny.

Regarding the scaling from STD to PROTO, I was trying to think of what could be better about it. Definitely a bit more damage but either change the reload speed skill to blast radius OR have ADV and PROTO versions with increased splash.

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Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 332	Posted - 2013.10.15 00:22:00 - [1] - Quote Here a few things I think that could be done to improve this hilariously fun weapon. 1. Better sight. (Something useful similar to mass driver.) 2. Better scaling of damage from STD to PROTO (No reason to use anything but the STD.) 3. Improve reload animation so that the skill is actually useful. 4. Speed up the projectile just a bit more. 5. Better kill animation. OK. Please improve my new favorite toy. Thanks CCP!
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 337	Posted - 2013.10.15 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote OK. Nevermind. I guess evey one is A-O-K with the AR spamfest. Carry on....
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 472	Posted - 2013.10.15 14:17:00 - [3] - Quote I think that since the PC is supposed to be an AV weapon (at least CCP said it was) it will get some balancing with the other AV weapons and veicles. I agree that the scaling is terrible, 5% more damage from std to adv and from adv to proto is ridicoulus conisdering the huge CPU usage and cost, should be 10%. And the skill is useless.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 339	Posted - 2013.10.15 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I think that since the PC is supposed to be an AV weapon (at least CCP said it was) it will get some balancing with the other AV weapons and veicles. I agree that the scaling is terrible, 5% more damage from std to adv and from adv to proto is ridicoulus conisdering the huge CPU usage and cost, should be 10%. And the skill is useless. In-game description: "The plasma cannon is a single-shot, direct-fire weapon developed for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius." It is not AV. I know CCP stated this somewhere a long time ago but it is wrong. The in game description and the way the weapon behaves will tell you it is both AI and AV, though it really excels in CQC. That said the ole flux, plasma combo will make short work of weaker tanks and it's pretty funny. Regarding the scaling from STD to PROTO, I was trying to think of what could be better about it. Definitely a bit more damage but either change the reload speed skill to blast radius OR have ADV and PROTO versions with increased splash.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 408	Posted - 2013.10.15 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote hmm direct fire?... is that the reason we cant get the blast radius increased to 4 or 5? we have to hit ppl directly to kill them with it... actually there is plenty of reason to go into the proto plasma cannon. it can get up to over 600 splash damage with the right fitting... its one of the most deadly when placed into the right hands. although for buffing it. im not sure how some1 could do it with out completely breaking it.
X7 lion Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 35	Posted - 2013.10.15 15:15:00 - [6] - Quote personaly i think it needs - better sight - more direct projectile or larger projectile with same if not more drop. -better scaling form basic to proto.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 473	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:21:00 - [7] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I think that since the PC is supposed to be an AV weapon (at least CCP said it was) it will get some balancing with the other AV weapons and veicles. I agree that the scaling is terrible, 5% more damage from std to adv and from adv to proto is ridicoulus conisdering the huge CPU usage and cost, should be 10%. And the skill is useless. In-game description: "The plasma cannon is a single-shot, direct-fire weapon developed for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius." And where it says in that description that the PC is NOT an av weapon? I belive that ccp simply did a mess with the pc. But if you consider that the swarm launcher, forge gun, av grenade and proximity explosive ALL have bonus damage against armor (the forgegun is Hybrid - railgun does 10% more damage to armor) you can see that PROBABLY ccp will balance the PC to be a AV weapon effective vs shields.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 321	Posted - 2013.10.15 19:52:00 - [8] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: And where it says in that description that the PC is NOT an av weapon? I belive that ccp simply did a mess with the pc. But if you consider that the swarm launcher, forge gun, av grenade and proximity explosive ALL have bonus damage against armor (the forgegun is Hybrid - railgun does 10% more damage to armor) you can see that PROBABLY ccp will balance the PC to be a AV weapon effective vs shields. Plasma, by Eve logic, = hybrid, = roughly even damage split. Since it's heat-based, yes, it's a little stronger against shields than armor. My guess is that the anti-shield AV weapon will be something along the lines of a heavy version of the laser rifle. The difficulty of balancing something like that may be a sizable chunk of why we haven't seen it yet.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 346	Posted - 2013.10.16 02:33:00 - [9] - Quote Come on CCP. The very fact EVERY ONE knows this gun is a joke has got to tell you something. Please fix ASAP.
Mad Rambo Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2013.10.16 03:18:00 - [10] - Quote 3 round clip + a little bit reduced per round damage (otherwise its a forge gun). I think the main reason why the gun is simply not fun is that you have to reload after every round. If you could fire three shots in quick succession it would be a completely different experience. or keep it as is but give it some form of long range sights.... and you have a mortar.

Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1197	Posted - 2013.10.16 03:31:00 - [11] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I think that since the PC is supposed to be an AV weapon (at least CCP said it was) it will get some balancing with the other AV weapons and veicles. I agree that the scaling is terrible, 5% more damage from std to adv and from adv to proto is ridicoulus conisdering the huge CPU usage and cost, should be 10%. And the skill is useless. In-game description: "The plasma cannon is a single-shot, direct-fire weapon developed for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius." It is not AV. I know CCP stated this somewhere a long time ago but it is wrong. The in game description and the way the weapon behaves will tell you it is both AI and AV, though it really excels in CQC. That said the ole flux, plasma combo will make short work of weaker tanks and it's pretty funny. Regarding the scaling from STD to PROTO, I was trying to think of what could be better about it. Definitely a bit more damage but either change the reload speed skill to blast radius OR have ADV and PROTO versions with increased splash. If we go off that, why doesn't the Flay have seekers? But besides the point, its needs to be able to at least hit vehicles easily.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 110	Posted - 2013.10.16 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote im not digging it up, but i clearly remember a ccp dev stating this weapon would be "looked" at as part of the big vehicle/av rework. (i remember because ive been waiting for this buff, before skilling into it) they didnt specifically say it was or wasnt an av or infintry weapon, but is clearly treated as a hybrid that does both, by devs and players alike
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 351	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:55:00 - [13] - Quote Oh, I'm not arguing about it's AV aspects. I eat shield tanks for breakfast with even the STD cannon. I wish I could see their face when they see the kill screen... lol
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 479	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:21:00 - [14] - Quote X7 lion wrote: personaly i think it needs - better sight - more direct projectile or larger projectile with same if not more drop. -better scaling form basic to proto. More direct damage would fix it. This would make it a viable AV weapon, while still preserving the "soul" of the weapon. It doesn't need more splash radius or less drop, as these things would make the weapon easier to use and destroy the euphoria of getting a kill with it. The euphoria is why the people that use it do use it, because let me tell you, getting a kill with the PC is the best feeling in the game, hands down. The pure ecstacy of killing someone with a weapon that is obviously much easier to use and logically the better choice, is AWESOME, it instills a feeling of utter dominance that nothing else can do in this game. Making the Placon easy to use, would destroy the weapon rather than fix it IMO.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 36	Posted - 2013.10.16 15:29:00 - [15] - Quote The Plasma Cannon is perfect there is no need to change its function things that could be looked at - - Officers Plasma Cannon - AV plasma Cannon or some form of Breach variant


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