DUST Search - Making Dust 514 important to Eve Online

Jack McReady wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Its already important.

Look at FW and tell me it is not.

you mean the meaningless FW zerg against empty teams because there are not enough player to queue for matari side?

just yesterday I queued up for matari for fun, 1 empty match, several half empty teams and long waiting times... before everyone queued up for random faction and then the event rewards pulled all players to amarr side, well I would not call that "important" or "meaningfull"

just make an event for faction X, give out bacon as reward and FW will be flipped in 1 day Roll

Oh shut the **** up, Jesus when your ******* factions were kicking ass the Amarr didn't kick up half a much BS, logic as you to justify why we lost.

We presented a theory about the battlefinder being screwy. We got shut down.... oh look now everybody is considering the issues with it.

If you think FW is actually about the core loyalist ground think again. FW is always swayed by public percentions, who is winning will get more support, who is losing gets less.

Your player counts were fine last week, oh wait no they weren't your entire faction was carried by Gallentean players who could spill over into your FW zone. Don't blame us because you cannot rub together two loyalists and make a squad.

funny how your posts are always filled with butthurt and false assumptions Lol

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Olomo Daygon ZionTCD 3	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote From where i'm standing, as of now, if Dust 514 disappeared Eve Online would not miss it. A few people eve think that Dust 514 should be removed from the Eve Online universe. I love Dust 514 and Eve Online, I truly want to see it succeed, but i do not see them adhering to each other as they should. What does CCP plan to do to make each of them more important to each other? What are the ties that bind? What does every one think? My personal experience in Eve Online has always been Indy, and my Dust 514 experience has been Logi.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3002	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:39:00 - [2] - Quote Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not.
Olomo Daygon ZionTCD 3	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:42:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Yes I see it. But it feels lacking.. If i never participated in the FW how would Dust 514 effect me?
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1224	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:43:00 - [4] - Quote Baby steps
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3002	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:46:00 - [5] - Quote Olomo Daygon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Yes I see it. But it feels lacking.. If i never participated in the FW how would Dust 514 effect me? It wouldn't, were fighting FW.... if you aren't in it then I don't care about you. Dust should be all about PI and Moon Mining, Indy and Research on the ground or hitting POS in space.
Olomo Daygon ZionTCD 3	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:49:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Olomo Daygon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Yes I see it. But it feels lacking.. If i never participated in the FW how would Dust 514 effect me? It wouldn't, were fighting FW.... if you aren't in it then I don't care about you. Dust should be all about PI and Moon Mining, Indy and Research on the ground or hitting POS in space. I am in FW as I have been playing Dust 514. I guess I should have been more specific in the view point of my quest. As from a Eve Online player why should I care about Dust 514? As a Dust 514 player I truly enjoy the FW and play it frequently and care about its outcome.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2795	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:58:00 - [7] - Quote In my opinion they need to do things that they think would be cool for integration and not think too much about what the EVE players would think about it. I mean look, if you make Dust important to EVE, then EVE begins to rely on Dust for some things. If EVE begins to rely on Dust for some things, then players in EVE don't have as much control as they used to. If players in EVE don't have as much control as they used to, they do not like it. So adding any sort of meaningful integration between Dust and EVE is going to leave the EVE guys unhappy, but you have to do it anyways. No one likes relying on others, but it could create these awesome scenarios that make these two games truly unique from anything else on the market.
howard sanchez expert intervention Caldari State 775	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:00:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Olomo Daygon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Yes I see it. But it feels lacking.. If i never participated in the FW how would Dust 514 effect me? It wouldn't, were fighting FW.... if you aren't in it then I don't care about you. Dust should be all about PI and Moon Mining, Indy and Research on the ground or hitting POS in space. I completely agree with the tie in between Dust & P I. Lots of synergy there. But I have a question about Dusts current interaction with FW. CCP described a system wherein battles won by faction X would add a percentage bonus or beneficial impact towards holding or gaining sov ( the FW variety) in those planetary systems. Is that happ ending now? If so, where can dust players see the statistical impact of our FW game mode efforts?
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 269	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:35:00 - [9] - Quote Originally PI was going to be our tie in, however PI sucks bawls. Nobody in eve gives a damn about it except WH space and we are not allowed in WH space. Even then its just passive income for the wormhole people. Nothing really worth fighting over. When we get the ability to influence sov like we do FW eve corps will be hiring left and right. If we get the ability to accelerate or even bypass POS bashing (the more boring thing in eve ever) corps will want us just for the time saved and the ability to field a fleet that cant protect itself instead of a bunch of pos bashers, Dreads are hard to protect sometimes. Once we get integrated with SOV mechanics I hope that we are allowed to not only take over POS from the inside but even attack or defend SBU's, fight in stations to influence dock and undock (even to the point where nobody can dock (im sure eveyone here would love to kill scotty) putting a stop to station games.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3008	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:40:00 - [10] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Originally PI was going to be our tie in, however PI sucks bawls. Nobody in eve gives a damn about it except WH space and we are not allowed in WH space. Even then its just passive income for the wormhole people. Nothing really worth fighting over. When we get the ability to influence sov like we do FW eve corps will be hiring left and right. If we get the ability to accelerate or even bypass POS bashing (the more boring thing in eve ever) corps will want us just for the time saved and the ability to field a fleet that cant protect itself instead of a bunch of pos bashers, Dreads are hard to protect sometimes. Once we get integrated with SOV mechanics I hope that we are allowed to not only take over POS from the inside but even attack or defend SBU's, fight in stations to influence dock and undock (even to the point where nobody can dock (im sure eveyone here would love to kill scotty) putting a stop to station games. You know how in FW zones you cant dock in Minmatar held systems... well with 16 handy dust mercs you soon will be.... Lol that would be a cool thought. Take systems, lock players out of them, or allow forward basing in those systems.

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 118	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:43:00 - [11] - Quote Eve industrial players are ready to replace the Dust NPC markets. It could be a nice combo of mining and PI to build dropsuits and gear for the Dust mercs.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3894	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:53:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Alright. It's not.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3008	Posted - 2013.10.14 21:54:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Alright. It's not. How is it not, coinciding with the 100% capture of all warzones our fleets ran through on plexing duties, hit the Ihubs, and claimed 8 systems in a night from having relatively nothing.
Olomo Daygon ZionTCD 3	Posted - 2013.10.15 00:01:00 - [14] - Quote I wonder if they will ever make it possible for Eve corporations to make contracts for different systems. like to a tech or defend and objective
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3899	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:07:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Alright. It's not. How is it not, coinciding with the 100% capture of all warzones our fleets ran through on plexing duties, hit the Ihubs, and claimed 8 systems in a night from having relatively nothing. You would have been able to do that anyway. As an example I would cite the systems in the Gallente/Caldari warzones called Heydieles and Old Man Star. They are, or were, both Caldari stronghold systems with high district control on their side. Heydieles fell regardless and the contested bar is being pushed up steadily in OMS even though the Caldari have mostly had full district control there. Granted, it's having an effect. But no, it's not important. The vast majority of the time in FW it comes down to straight space supremacy.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1855	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:11:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. It's not.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3108	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:34:00 - [17] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. It's not. Yes it is. 80% control gain in the warzone= reports from our EVE pilots of vastly easier system captures. Report from Caldari Warzone suggests Caldari Militia was able to contribute a VP buff to the Caldari in system, deplexing it enough that the Gal Miltia was unable to flip the systems Ihub. Sounds important to me. The **** do you know about it anyway Himiko, you don't fly as far as I know, nor does your Corp, or Alliance, nor do you do FW on a regular basis, preferring to be a douche from the confined of Molden Heath, a backwater hell that nobody gives a damn about.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3108	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:38:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. Alright. It's not. How is it not, coinciding with the 100% capture of all warzones our fleets ran through on plexing duties, hit the Ihubs, and claimed 8 systems in a night from having relatively nothing. You would have been able to do that anyway. As an example I would cite the systems in the Gallente/Caldari warzones called Heydieles and Old Man Star. They are, or were, both Caldari stronghold systems with high district control on their side. Heydieles fell regardless and the contested bar is being pushed up steadily in OMS even though the Caldari have mostly had full district control there. Granted, it's having an effect. But no, it's not important. The vast majority of the time in FW it comes down to straight space supremacy. Any effort that allows me to help my faction is enough for me. Sure aiding in flipping Ihubs would be better but the world I do in FW is important enough, despite what you say.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 747	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:38:00 - [19] - Quote Olomo Daygon wrote: From where i'm standing, as of now, if Dust 514 disappeared Eve Online would not miss it. A few people eve think that Dust 514 should be removed from the Eve Online universe. I love Dust 514 and Eve Online, I truly want to see it succeed, but i do not see them adhering to each other as they should. What does CCP plan to do to make each of them more important to each other? What are the ties that bind? What does every one think? My personal experience in Eve Online has always been Indy, and my Dust 514 experience has been Logi. First off, they should make Dust important for Dust players.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 699	Posted - 2013.10.15 09:02:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. you mean the meaningless FW zerg against empty teams because there are not enough player to queue for matari side? just yesterday I queued up for matari for fun, 1 empty match, several half empty teams and long waiting times... before everyone queued up for random faction and then the event rewards pulled all players to amarr side, well I would not call that "important" or "meaningfull" just make an event for faction X, give out bacon as reward and FW will be flipped in 1 day

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3108	Posted - 2013.10.15 09:05:00 - [21] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. you mean the meaningless FW zerg against empty teams because there are not enough player to queue for matari side? just yesterday I queued up for matari for fun, 1 empty match, several half empty teams and long waiting times... before everyone queued up for random faction and then the event rewards pulled all players to amarr side, well I would not call that "important" or "meaningfull" just make an event for faction X, give out bacon as reward and FW will be flipped in 1 day Oh shut the ** up, Jesus when your ***** factions were kicking ass the Amarr didn't kick up half a much BS, logic as you to justify why we lost. We presented a theory about the battlefinder being screwy. We got shut down.... oh look now everybody is considering the issues with it. If you think FW is actually about the core loyalist ground think again. FW is always swayed by public percentions, who is winning will get more support, who is losing gets less. Your player counts were fine last week, oh wait no they weren't your entire faction was carried by Gallentean players who could spill over into your FW zone. Don't blame us because you cannot rub together two loyalists and make a squad.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 699	Posted - 2013.10.15 09:10:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. you mean the meaningless FW zerg against empty teams because there are not enough player to queue for matari side? just yesterday I queued up for matari for fun, 1 empty match, several half empty teams and long waiting times... before everyone queued up for random faction and then the event rewards pulled all players to amarr side, well I would not call that "important" or "meaningfull" just make an event for faction X, give out bacon as reward and FW will be flipped in 1 day Oh shut the ** up, Jesus when your ***** factions were kicking ass the Amarr didn't kick up half a much BS, logic as you to justify why we lost. We presented a theory about the battlefinder being screwy. We got shut down.... oh look now everybody is considering the issues with it. If you think FW is actually about the core loyalist ground think again. FW is always swayed by public percentions, who is winning will get more support, who is losing gets less. Your player counts were fine last week, oh wait no they weren't your entire faction was carried by Gallentean players who could spill over into your FW zone. Don't blame us because you cannot rub together two loyalists and make a squad. funny how your posts are always filled with butthurt and false assumptions when someone starts to bring in facts
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3108	Posted - 2013.10.15 09:16:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Its already important. Look at FW and tell me it is not. you mean the meaningless FW zerg against empty teams because there are not enough player to queue for matari side? just yesterday I queued up for matari for fun, 1 empty match, several half empty teams and long waiting times... before everyone queued up for random faction and then the event rewards pulled all players to amarr side, well I would not call that "important" or "meaningfull" just make an event for faction X, give out bacon as reward and FW will be flipped in 1 day Oh shut the ** up, Jesus when your ***** factions were kicking ass the Amarr didn't kick up half a much BS, logic as you to justify why we lost. We presented a theory about the battlefinder being screwy. We got shut down.... oh look now everybody is considering the issues with it. If you think FW is actually about the core loyalist ground think again. FW is always swayed by public percentions, who is winning will get more support, who is losing gets less. Your player counts were fine last week, oh wait no they weren't your entire faction was carried by Gallentean players who could spill over into your FW zone. Don't blame us because you cannot rub together two loyalists and make a squad. funny how your posts are always filled with butthurt and false assumptions Butt hurt? I'm with the winning side right now. Still double standards much?


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