1 players with 3 weapons to use at the same time?

yeah right....

What seems to be missed by nearly everyone is that Tanks require support, to use them solo is just ********, if you are and losing them.. tough. Look at Eve.. a solo Dread can be killed but a small fleet of HACs.. however if that Dread has a support fleet... then it's able to do it's job.. which is kill BIG stuff. while being protected.

I personally think that one guys with a swarm or a forge should not be able to kill a tank. but a team of guys should find it easy... promoting team work.

Nearly everyone i have seen using tanks uses them as a solo win button. which they are not.

also, often Tank chaps feel that tanks should be usable ALL the time in EVERY fight. This is simply stupid.. if we applied the same logi to suits, we would not have heavies, assults, scouts and logi.. or indeed the race variants. Just a single "cover all" suit and a single weapon that does the same DPS across all damage types at any range.

Now I can and do use tanks.. but only when they are needed and then using the correct (i hope) set up for the task i need them for... no point in running a rail tank into a city to kill infantry for example. Yet is seems that is what tanks chaps want... I have seen a post that asked for a tank to have two main weapons, a rail and a blaster...

It's time Dust got their head around what CCP do with their games... and it is not support solo game play, but infact team based play.

I think he said the opposite

I think a tank did something naughty to him.

I'm still extending my offer to you. You can pilot one of my tanks, rail, blaster or missile, for however long, and we'll analyze the game. 5 per day, but only games that have ADV AV or higher count towards that total.

Afterwards, I'll make a post on here about it telling everyone how you did.

Im sorry i have no reason to lie:

i use ADV Swarms with prof 4 and 2 Cx Damage mods.
Im not lying. I even have the name of the tanker written around, he played for Dark Legion.

-Shot 1 volley of Swarms to scare him,
-As he got into the ''city'' are for cover (ambush i planed) he ate the 4 STD Prox mines while i reloaded.
-He decided to stop there and shoot at me, i responded with 3 STD ADV packed AV nades, 2 hit; 1 missed
-He decided he was low on HP and started moving (Exceedingly fast if i may..)
-I , while he was repairing armor shot him 3 more volleys
-He obviously outran me while i reloaded again and turned around in a corner where the ''fantastic'' feature tankers love about swarms kicked in and the next two volleys made a 90 degree turn avoiding walls and i got hit markers again.

He survived and fled.
A vein in my head popped.

Not saying Swarms are not VERY strong , just saying its funny tankers all they do is bash on AV weaponry but they wouldnt bat an eye if Armor repairers stay as they are. THIS IS BIASED; and not in the true nature of looking for BALANCE

Well if a tank takes that kind of punishment i think is FAIR for him to die, considering he killed me 6 times in a row with only 2 shots hit....

-6 swarms (AV missiles designed to be EFFECTIVE VS VEHICLES)
-2 PACKED grenades
-4 Prox Mines

I mean what do tankers think is fair as for punishment their vehicles can take?

Not being high enough? I have Prof 4 and 2 CX damage mods.
I dont use MLT gear and you know it.

yeah, I know you don't use it, im just using that as an example for most of the people that come to the forums complaining about not being able to solo us with militia gear. sorry if that offended you in any way.... but you are in the wrong if you want us to submit to being soloed by anyone.


''teamwork and skill level are how your meant to kill us''
But for tankers to run solo is fair right?....

well... considering that it takes over 10x more SP and ISK for us to deploy tanks on the field than you need for fitting your dropsuits... yeah I do believe we earn the privilege of being able to survive alone (notice for once you idiot that im saying survive and not dominate you blind bastard)... that being said, the investment we make towards HAVs is far grater than your investment into infantry stuff along with how hard it is to stay alive at all during any given moment when we are piloting gives you the idea that this class should have the survival advantage over any other class that tries to go solo.


Heh i know where this is going.

AHA.so THEY ARE in business...
They dont get 1 shotted as (not you adamance) some tankers claim by AV.

Case rest.

''I'd love to have you in my tank checkmate, but you wouldn't want to spend all of your time sitting as a gunner, that's not interesting gameplay for you is it?''

I would , but dont think im going to think they are UP unless we get 1 HKOd by AV XD

Removed since they don't make sense in game lore wise.

Armor tanks have had it so easy!!! Since I made the switch to a blaster mady, over the coarse of two weeks, while playing frequently I've lost one or two tanks to av players. Have yet to lose to a shield tank. Its actually crazy how much more powerful they are. There is honestly not a single reason why you should choose shield over armor, atm. more health more speed, better aiming angles, ******** reps, long lasting hardeners. I can fit a shield rep and scanner. all that with a proto gun and proto small blaster for my gunner. its easy mode for vehicles.

1-Again beinga little selfish here aint ya' .What about us Infantry trying to have fun vs other infantry instead of having to worry about tanks? Biased thought is biased.

aren't you being a bit selfish by wanting tankers to be on the same level as dropsuits? I mean come on... tanks are 50 ton vehicles more than twice the size of infantry, if I don't have fun in the class I wanted to play as, why does that class even exist? plus... if you want an infantry only game, there is call of duty, if CCP didn't want vehicles to be deployed in matches, they wouldv never put them in the game.


2-So basically,if i run proto gear i shoudlnt be able to get killed by MLT/STD gear at all.By your reasoning..hmm..Proto suits / weapons / gear might be UNDERPOWERED then...

I don't mainly play as infantry but I have several million SP I put into gallente assault, so yeah Id say that stats are wrong on the basics, the weapons, the dropsits... almost everything in this game needs to be reworked imo.

3-I get it. But what you are saying is RPG / MMORP thought. This is a FPS,balance means that with skill, you can take out another player REGARDLESS of time invested in the game. If gear/time invested is always going to tryumph over skill, its not balance.

this isn't purely an FPS game, I hope you do realize that, as long as there is a skill system set up to train your character for specific roles instead of just mindless shooting and leveling up in general, then the game isn't purely an FPS. this game allow people to skill up their characters into specific roles and classes, that's RPGing, if you want a game that jut levels you up in general, again its called call of duty.

4- same as 3.

I'll have to disagree with you on the missile turetts being inefective against infantry, as I be killing 'em with my Accelerated Missile Launchers.

The blast radius and splash damage actually make it the perfect choice for me when I'm going up against infantry.

@ Void Echo
1-aren't you being a bit selfish by wanting tankers to be on the same level as dropsuits? I mean come on... tanks are 50 ton vehicles more than twice the size of infantry, if I don't have fun in the class I wanted to play as, why does that class even exist? plus... if you want an infantry only game, there is call of duty, if CCP didn't want vehicles to be deployed in matches, they wouldv never put them in the game.

2-I don't mainly play as infantry but I have several million SP I put into gallente assault, so yeah Id say that stats are wrong on the basics, the weapons, the dropsits... almost everything in this game needs to be reworked imo.

3-this isn't purely an FPS game, I hope you do realize that, as long as there is a skill system set up to train your character for specific roles instead of just mindless shooting and leveling up in general, then the game isn't purely an FPS. this game allow people to skill up their characters into specific roles and classes, that's RPGing, if you want a game that jut levels you up in general, again its called call of duty.


4- if the natural advantage basically makes the opposing class null and practically non-existent or non-usable at all, then there is no balance....

5- that person doesn't have nearly as much SP as I do halfway, he should never be on the level needed to fight me if doesn't put investment into his class like I did mine.


1-I dont want tankers to be at the same level as dropsuits. I want tankers to stop stomping on pub matches SOLO ,since the blue dots cant play together,they dont know any better. I want a Good AV player to be able to hold back 1 Good tanker and get WP for it,even if it doesnt mean destroying the tank.At the end of the day,regarless of play style, is 1 player vs another player.

2-we agree on something for a change.

3-Well it isnt purely a MMORPG either,i hope you realize that. CCP IS SELLING DUST as an FPS , with some RPG elements.
They are not selling it as it is world of tanks not twisted metal. Balance is needed for a FPS to be sucessful.
I dont like CoD, my first FPS was MAG.I like difficulty. BUT in this kind of games, more time invested + SP means a SLIGHT advantage over your enemy,if both have equal skill. Doesnt mean a 20mill player with little skill must win over a skilled player with 5 mill only because he has more skillpoints. THIS kills games same as pay to win...

4-The problem is,regardless of what tankers say, me and MANY more people just see tanks owning in the battlefield. You say AV is OP and takes down tanks instantly, and 1 player can solo a tank, but we just DONT see it.
we agree as in the 2nd point,it needs rework.

5-The problem is, They are being put in THE SAME MATCH AS YOU. whats the point of putting a player of 5mill vs another team with only 15mill+ players if he cant do anything about it?
While games mix players of different SP levels, everybody must have a chance to drop everybody. ITS FAIR.

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@ Adamace (wow im getting a beating here from tankers ..)

1-Yes but you have not put any effort or risk into using that fit, that is why AV is easy mode. I care not for balance, only the amount of effort someone has put into something.

2-Effort you never have to put in while Aving. If you put in 12m Sp into destroying tanks I would have no problem, you haven't put the same amount of effort in as a tanker has, thus solo you should never be able to beat them.

1-Effort? yeap. I'm missing on fun infatry vs infatry kills in order to spend a whole game hunting a tank,sometimes not even killing it,always not getting WP for pushing it back. Also, you care not for balance adamance, then why should WE AV infantry care for balance then...? You dont care for balance, and Void wants to get in a Pub match and unless we hace 3+ PROTO AV specialist working together,he want to be indestructible... I mean, lol.
The amount of effor will and SHOULD never be more powerful than SKILL, NEVER. SKILL > ALL

2-In this case, SP needed for tanks must be level to Infantry level, so that being a specialized AVer (with all things into consideration,dropsuit,weapon,sidearm,equipment,moddules,etc...) matches being a specialized tanker.

Why? I can walk into matches and have games better than I ever would have done in a tank.

Oh so i've never said that tanks need a buff? YES I HAVE. This are my points overall:

1--Tanks need buff
2--AVers need to NOT be able to kill a tank of hiher level SOLO BUT; be able to make a profit pushing it back in occations.
3--I know you dont care about your enemy specialization earning WP, but i do care about WP gain for tanks,as for in search for balance,both sides must be able to make a profit.
4--Armor tanks are by no means UNDERPOWERED.


I just..despise tankers saying they get 1 HKOd by AV and i have NEVER done that...
And i have Proto AV..
I have taken out tanks alon, OF COURSE.But its never easy unless they are MLT....

so in other words, You are admitting they are not UP, just not as good as they should be: +1

But they are NOT UP because they are good vs shield tanks, Insta kill infantry (im exagerating of course) and with broken armor reps, they survive fights.
I agree they are not as good as they should be. But i insist , they are not UP as many claim. In the correct situation, a 6k Maddy can be unkillable...

Thats all im saying.

1-Yeah like your corp WOULDNT lie for you.
2-Even if you are some Incredible GENIUS AVer, it doesnt mean Tanks are paper thin.just the tankers were not as good or lacked support.

I bet that if True Adamance+Void Echo+TheLegend were in a match vs you,you wouldnt be able to drop a single one of them....

3-im tryingto reachan agreement here with the tankers, you are just trying to provoque me,and will fail.Im in too good of a mood today bro.

Infantry AV vs Armor tank is basically what most of the time im talking about.

I know DS and shield tanks are utter crap and need a serious buff.

It gets slightly compensated by the broken Rep modules.I agree without them maddys would be in the same situation as shield tanks

''that's why your in such a rational mood today''

That and the fact that (Godin was right) im not drunk, you see, i work in ... a place where i can drink while working....My line of work permits it.
But i got in a fight and i cant for at least 2 weeks , so im sober and i dont get pissed off easily there by dont end up talking without thinking...