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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:41:00 -
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Give us incentive to use the basic suits over the specialized role suits (assault, logi, scout, sentinel) by turning the basic suits into different variations like we had in chromosome with the type II, type B and Vk.1
In my case,
I have Amarr Assault Lv5 and use the scrambler rifle exclusively due to the bonus, but i have protoype Assault RIfles as well, It would be dumb to use the AR with the Amarr Assault suit because I wouldnt be putting the suit bonus to use
If i instead had a bonus-less basic frame suit that had a different slot layout then the Assault I could fit it differently for different situations with different weapons
As of right now I see no other use for these basic suits other than those who accidentally spent it to level 5 without realizing they changed the requirements for role suits down to level 3 |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:35:00 -
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Umm. No.
Basic suits have no bonuses as an incentive to skill further into the class than the basic. They only give you basic suits so that you will have something to use while your waiting to have enough SP to skill into something further along in the class.
This is also why Basic suits have an SP multiplier cost of 4x, instead of the standard 8x. That way anybody who just for example, wants a good heavy suit and doesn't want to be a deidcated heavy can just use basic suits. (Assuming that they want something betterthan a MLT Suit. |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Umm. No.
Basic suits have no bonuses as an incentive to skill further into the class than the basic. They only give you basic suits so that you will have something to use while your waiting to have enough SP to skill into something further along in the class.
This is also why Basic suits have an SP multiplier cost of 4x, instead of the standard 8x. That way anybody who just for example, wants a good heavy suit and doesn't want to be a deidcated heavy can just use basic suits. (Assuming that they want something betterthan a MLT Suit.
That might be the current situation, but it doesn't mean that it's any good. The basic medium frame is redundant because it's identical to the assault, and that doesn't make sense. Every suit should have a purpose, otherwise it shouldn't be there. The assault is supposed to be a 'specialization' of the basic frame. Being specialized means being different from what is not specialized. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
230
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Posted - 2013.10.14 02:38:00 -
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You dont think this is a good idea?
If not then at least make the basic suits SOMEWHAT unique, its in game content that is unusable at higher levels I want to run it but there is no good reason to
I find this to be a fundamental flaw |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.14 02:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Umm. No.
Basic suits have no bonuses as an incentive to skill further into the class than the basic. They only give you basic suits so that you will have something to use while your waiting to have enough SP to skill into something further along in the class.
This is also why Basic suits have an SP multiplier cost of 4x, instead of the standard 8x. That way anybody who just for example, wants a good heavy suit and doesn't want to be a deidcated heavy can just use basic suits. (Assuming that they want something betterthan a MLT Suit.
Why not just eliminate basic suits? They don't serve any purpose other than a redundant SP sink. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.10.14 02:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Atiim wrote:Umm. No.
Basic suits have no bonuses as an incentive to skill further into the class than the basic. They only give you basic suits so that you will have something to use while your waiting to have enough SP to skill into something further along in the class.
This is also why Basic suits have an SP multiplier cost of 4x, instead of the standard 8x. That way anybody who just for example, wants a good heavy suit and doesn't want to be a deidcated heavy can just use basic suits. (Assuming that they want something betterthan a MLT Suit. Why not just eliminate basic suits? They don't serve any purpose other than a redundant SP sink.
Its already there might as well use them. besides, wouldn't you like a variation of your own suit? it could be little stat changes like speed, overall health or hacking speed.
Just to inspire a little more variation. I think most would agree there is only a good couple of ways left to competitively fit a suit, lets open that up by introducing small changes that can be even more race specific. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6559
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:06:00 -
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Basic suits need to have a purpose besides being SP sinks. They need to have a role, and different slot layouts. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:09:00 -
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If we gave stat bonuses to basic suits, then would we even have a reason to use anything but basic suits?
And before you ask, yes I do know that roles such as the Commando and the Logistics do not have MLT/Basic variants |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:09:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Cosgar wrote:Atiim wrote:Umm. No.
Basic suits have no bonuses as an incentive to skill further into the class than the basic. They only give you basic suits so that you will have something to use while your waiting to have enough SP to skill into something further along in the class.
This is also why Basic suits have an SP multiplier cost of 4x, instead of the standard 8x. That way anybody who just for example, wants a good heavy suit and doesn't want to be a deidcated heavy can just use basic suits. (Assuming that they want something betterthan a MLT Suit. Why not just eliminate basic suits? They don't serve any purpose other than a redundant SP sink. Its already there might as well use them. besides, wouldn't you like a variation of your own suit? it could be little stat changes like speed, overall health or hacking speed. Just to inspire a little more variation. I think most would agree there is only a good couple of ways left to competitively fit a suit, lets open that up by introducing small changes that can be even more race specific.
When Uprising first hit, it would've taken me an extra two months to spec into my exact same Minmatar logi suit I had in Chromosome. Even after they lowered the perquisite to level 3 basic, I'm still stuck with an advanced suit I'm never going to use. It's the bane of my existence and an unnecessary hurdle for new players that want to get into a role they actually want. The skill tree we have isn't a skill tree, just linear paths of blank skills and SP sinks just to add an artificial shelf life. If these suits are so important, then make them a 1x modifier and get rid of the blank dropsuit command skill. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
231
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If we gave stat bonuses to basic suits, then would we even have a reason to use anything but basic suits?
And before you ask, yes I do know that roles such as the Commando and the Logistics do not have MLT/Basic variants
This doesn't even make sense, of course im gonna use my racial suit the bonuses make a difference, im saying add variety to the basic suits to use it for different purposes. Please make arguments that are more cohesive next time.
give the basic suits a slight difference in stats that could warrant an advantage in a particular role
e.g.
Basic amarr gets slight increase to hacking speed and health to be a tanked speed hacker or a minmatar light suit that has reversed slot layout (2h3l instead of 3h2l)
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