DUST Search - Downgrading The Assault Rifles AR's (Overpowered) ( Flaylock needs seekers )

Borne Velvalor wrote:

I know I usually complain about Assault Rifles, but nerfing the Assault Rifle's damage will make a lot of people swap to Scrambler Rifles, at which point "Assault Scrambler Rifles Are OP" threads will start popping up. I just want the other guns to become more specialized. The Assault Rifle feels good to use and is lethal at short to medium range. The problem is that there are only a handful of alternatives, which are not very good.

The HMG has laughable range, way too much dispersion beyond optimal and is a heavy weapon. The SMG is an Assault Rifle with a third of the range. Practically everyone packs one since it's a sidearm. The Scrambler has similar output but is worse against armor, can overheat a lot at lower tiers and requires a greater degree of accuracy. It's a decent alternative. Other weapons fall into different categories, most of which don't fulfill their role well. Mass Drivers have almost a quarter of the DPS if they rely on splash damage, which they have to unless the enemy is within CQC range and standing still. Plasma Cannons are similar, just in exchange for some more splash damage you only get a single shot. Laser Rifles have a myriad of issues to consider when using them, from overheat to reversed range requirements and the sharp drop off out of optimal range. Plus, the 50% increased damage against shields compared to armor. Most Sniper Rifles are hard to kill with unless you get a headshot, so most of the players using them just stand on a hill or tower somewhere hoping not to get counter-sniped.

Yeah. Maybe new rifle types will help.


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ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 15:46:00 - [1] - Quote Ok Im gonna speak about the ridiculousness that is the assault rifles category. First off notice everytime your killed like what the hell happen its by a assult rifle and in most cases its a Duvolle , But it is a prototype so we can expect it to have power that is considered to be out of this world. But i don't see how the Duvolle gun can kill a person with 400 armor and hp in like 1 second just by spraying and praying is it fair to other weapon category's that build up to the prototype level and there weapon cant get the same effect ? Don't get me wrong the assault rifle in the advanced level can out mach any other weapons prototype seriously and that's without modules , They need to lower all the assault rifles alot to atleast match the other weapons . I have a heavy macine gun advanced level and i added enhanced damage module The MLR-A Burst Heavy Machine Gun to be exact And it doesnt clear a hp bar fast then the Gek assault rifle not to mention AR's Have 4 advanced weapons to choose from where to most others have way less . I also snipe from time to time i have it about maxed stat's wise and i have used a charge rifle and a ishukine both with enhanced modules , Guess what............. I dont get one hit kills and thats a sniper rifle i should get a one jit kill with a damn sniper rifle i mean come on . Now i do get headshots and seldom i get a one hit kill with the charge rifle but really if ccp where to apply the same rules to the other weapons like they do with the sniper rifle , Id be getting one hit kills with the advanced level sniper rifles which is just 2 while the AR advanced have 4 . Atleast make it to where a person gets one hit sniper kills when they hit the chest and have added damage modules its almost like they are trying for me not to have a sniper rifle that can one hit kill like the fuking DUVOLLE in comparison . I know im gonna get alot of haters and real childish stupid remarks from people who didnt even finish reading the post , Cause all they had to see was AR's Over powered and they are gonna rush to defend there "hacking" weapon. To end this ill also add that its been high time that the flaylock gets the seeker missle's ability added and it should be able to lock on to people , dropships and cars. And if not that Then boost up the blast radius the splash damage . its only fair and it is in the description. We didnt build the flaylock up to be left with a dud fail slow missile pistol that cant hit sh!t but a car or a still target . And remember if you dont have nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all. Thank You My Regards To those that agree
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 17:16:00 - [2] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: You could have just searched and added on to the AR's are OPQQ threads on here. There are a good amount. No. Sniper rifles shouldn't OHK if you hit them in the ankle. It takes skill to aim and if you land a HS, then you deserve it. No to flaylocks having a seeker option for infantry or anything else. You want seeker ability? Skill into swarms. That request is so much lol. Also, so many grammatical errors and lack of punctuation. That is all. Your not a teacher and this isnt a book report or essay you a55h0le , This is the internet ....smh ok about the rest of what you said your a complete idoit if you really read the whole thing and still speak like that sure you can speak about punctuation but what 10 year old cant huh ? Rushing to defend his AR that is all he came here to do ignore this CHILD .
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 17:20:00 - [3] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Another one ? how many ALT's this 3 guys have ? 20,000 ? what ? who is this three guys im one person but i do have another acct i game with but just his one for the fourm . and by the way your sad attempt to down play THE FACT that the Assault rifles need to be down powered is fail Yes there is many other out there that feel the same and im gonna go look to see the other post people left on this topic .
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 17:23:00 - [4] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: ILLUSIONxox wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: You could have just searched and added on to the AR's are OPQQ threads on here. There are a good amount. No. Sniper rifles shouldn't OHK if you hit them in the ankle. It takes skill to aim and if you land a HS, then you deserve it. No to flaylocks having a seeker option for infantry or anything else. You want seeker ability? Skill into swarms. That request is so much lol. Also, so many grammatical errors and lack of punctuation. That is all. Your not a teacher and this isnt a book report or essay you a55h0le , This is the internet ....smh ok about the rest of what you said your a complete idoit if you really read the whole thing and still speak like that sure you can speak about punctuation but what 10 year old cant huh ? Rushing to defend his AR that is all he came here to do ignore this CHILD . Agree with me or you are a babbling idiot. Did I get the gist of your post? Please post on your main. These alts are tiring. ___________________________________________________________________________ Gimmie my damn Amarrian tank and rollover SP I see the little game that you little assult rifle fans are running , you all go on to every thread that speaks about the Overpowered Assault rifles in the game and leave post as if the person has alts but this is my one dust fourm account and im willing to prove it if ccp ask me im dead serious . This is why older people stay away from fourms that you kids get on unless they have to work with you because you all play these little childish games .
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: No to flaylocks having a seeker option for infantry or anything else. You want seeker ability? Skill into swarms. That request is so much lol. Doesn't the flaylock info screen mention something about locking on to a target before firing? I saw that the other day and thought I had just been using them wrong. Not entirely sure about the description, nor can I check but it has no homing/tracking ability. It's intended to act as a baby MD basically. yes i9t does mention about locking on to a target how many damn times do i have to say read the discription its on google as well as the gotdamn game.
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:10:00 - [6] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: You could have just searched and added on to the AR's are OPQQ threads on here. There are a good amount. No. Sniper rifles shouldn't OHK if you hit them in the ankle. It takes skill to aim and if you land a HS, then you deserve it. No to flaylocks having a seeker option for infantry or anything else. You want seeker ability? Skill into swarms. That request is so much lol. Also, so many grammatical errors and lack of punctuation. That is all. You do realise that the shotgun has a one hit kill right ? But it should not be the same for a sniper rifle ? how does that make sense ? in reality and fiction if you get hit with a sniper rifle even in the chest your ***** gone go watch the jfk assaination see the *** hole that put the damge of a snipers bullet is epic that is why it is the way it is ***** idoit !!!!
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote what the ** are you talking about this is my main you nutcase . Dont say anything if all you can do is babble the same damn **. and im not arguing im stating facts and your being a a55hole
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:39:00 - [8] - Quote Tupni wrote: I think a damage nerfed tracking Flaylock variant would be kind of fun. I wouldn't want it to chase me around corners but it could at least adjust it's course a little. It seems like everything else got a mild buff with the new aiming system anyway right? And I'm against 1 shot SRs. I remember last year when sniping was all the rage and the game got bogged down to 10 snipers and 6 scouts trying to sneak to the objectives. It wasn't fun. As is one good sniper in the right spot can project force and hold a considerable amount of the battlefield. I am a little put off by getting popped by some Adv or Proto AR in less than 3 seconds though, and it does happen more often than it ought to. Becareful they may call you a alt aswell , And thanks for your feedback well said. I see what you mean by making it act as a real sniper rifle should, one shot kill 9 times out of 10 that will make alot of band wagoners start sniping , Just like with this last update before this 1.5 update no one was using scanners now its in the top 5 bought items ....smh So i guess as far as the sniper one shot kill goes its not a must but i feel like this they should lower the power on them shotguns as well then some of them not all . a fool is soon parted from his money .
ILLUSIONxox Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:40:00 - [9] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: ILLUSIONxox wrote: what the ** are you talking about this is my main you nutcase . Dont say anything if all you can do is babble the same damn **. and im not arguing im stating facts and your being a a55hole No, it's not. This is an obvious alt. You are stating opinions, not facts. Facts come with statistics, sources, and numbers, not feels and anecdotal butthurt. ____________________________________________________________________ Gimmie my damn Amarrian tank and rollover SP. im not even gonna reply to this dumbass anymore look at his name that says it all. p.s says the guy thaat sits in a tank like a coward noob ....smh
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 15:08:00 - [10] - Quote DUST TAKE OVER wrote: Alright I'm an assault and you say that it is over powered correct? Ok so lets put things into factor shall we cause I'm tired of hearing the same complaining now. Bonuses to flaws. Bonuses: Assault rifles have great damage Done now flaws. Flaws: To get great damage you need 4 mill so into nothing but weapons now your screwed on suits, modules, and core upgrades Role played properly we are first line of defense witch means first players to enter battle first players to die power helps to live A single proto suit costs 150k each 1 death negitive earnings as to we're logis are 100k heavys 80k snipers 75k so we cost more Range is unlimited but at 200 meters we get 8% damage so it's close quarter combat or we loose the kill and or fight So people stop saying we are op dame it lol and actually open your eyes look at all your arguments. OP damage this op damage that **** I say nurf us but then reduce the cost to our stuff to balance it and then we can really spam assaults like heavys and logis Careful your "biased" is showing , Thats Total blabber man and we all know it . there is AR users that have more hp and armor then heavy's now put that with a gun that has crazy range and crazy hit power also the ability to add modules .................... Its totally unfair to the other users and weapon category all i want is evenness among all things in a way where all the weapons hit the same with equal pros and cons but with different styles .

ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 15:23:00 - [11] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: I know I usually complain about Assault Rifles, but nerfing the Assault Rifle's damage will make a lot of people swap to Scrambler Rifles, at which point "Assault Scrambler Rifles Are OP" threads will start popping up. I just want the other guns to become more specialized. The Assault Rifle feels good to use and is lethal at short to medium range. The problem is that there are only a handful of alternatives, which are not very good. The HMG has laughable range, way too much dispersion beyond optimal and is a heavy weapon. The SMG is an Assault Rifle with a third of the range. Practically everyone packs one since it's a sidearm. The Scrambler has similar output but is worse against armor, can overheat a lot at lower tiers and requires a greater degree of accuracy. It's a decent alternative. Other weapons fall into different categories, most of which don't fulfill their role well. Mass Drivers have almost a quarter of the DPS if they rely on splash damage, which they have to unless the enemy is within CQC range and standing still. Plasma Cannons are similar, just in exchange for some more splash damage you only get a single shot. Laser Rifles have a myriad of issues to consider when using them, from overheat to reversed range requirements and the sharp drop off out of optimal range. Plus, the 50% increased damage against shields compared to armor. Most Sniper Rifles are hard to kill with unless you get a headshot, so most of the players using them just stand on a hill or tower somewhere hoping not to get counter-sniped. Yeah. Maybe new rifle types will help. Yes i agree with alot of what you just said , just about all of it . I can see you actually pay attention to the players and the game as a whole and i respect your views. Noobs will be noobs and followers will be followers , That is why most people play with the AR's because instead of being " unique " and gaining skill in least used weapons they just use EASY ones smg and AR that really steals and cripples the experience of this game the DIVERSITY and uniqueness of the multi futuristic game play. Most people are afraid to invest time into the middle class or under classed weapons such as flaylock pistols as a prime example But me being a Ol School gamer i love the challenge but as things are i see nothing but AR smg and m1 grenades As like ........89% of EvE Dust 514 , And with all the Cool weapons and uniqe combat styles its such a waste to just see the same things over and over. Ya know one of the most memorable "kills" done to me was by this guy with a nova knife i didnt see or hear him behind me and no one was around , THAT is what gaming is about that randomness and unknown elements and situations .
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 15:32:00 - [12] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Yup...called out by people that apparently haven't bothered to read the actual description of the flaylock in the game. Oh i've read the description. So you would want to deal with a Flaylock with seeking ability? I wouldn't mind it if the seeking round had reduced damage compared to the regular fire. I've made the same suggestion for AVs, as well--faster, more powerful direct-line shots or slower, less-powerful guided shots. Yeah well if you look at it like this....... How long whould they set the locking ( meter to be filled that is a big issue as well my friend.
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 18:07:00 - [13] - Quote Like i just got killed by a oren rifle , i promise you this .................... I THOUGHT I WAS GRTTING HIT BY A FUKING TANK RIFLE NO SH!T !
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 18:09:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: NEVER PUT DAMAGE MODS ON A HEAVY MACHINE GUN!!!! Seriously, they all only do 17 damage (something along those lines). All that's different is RPM. You will only get an extra 1.7hp of damage, and that's assuming that you are running complex damage mods. Save that slot for some shield or armor plates if you are running an HMG. really man but i notice a lil diffrence and im not even using a complex just a enhanced .
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.14 20:01:00 - [15] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: yea...making sniper rifles even easier is what this game needs No scope sway - check! Gun settles in the same spot after firing - check! Bullet instantly hit target - check! No bullet drop - check! On top of all this noobism, you want to make it more noob friendly? lol i understnad how you could say that but, by your comment i can tell you dont snipe . with that been said im gonna find a way to make a one hit sniper kill and its gonna be real nice that is unless they have the system set to where no matter what the person wont die but i dont think its like that cause i have killed with one hit before .
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 7	Posted - 2013.10.15 22:12:00 - [16] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ILLUSIONxox wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: yea...making sniper rifles even easier is what this game needs No scope sway - check! Gun settles in the same spot after firing - check! Bullet instantly hit target - check! No bullet drop - check! On top of all this noobism, you want to make it more noob friendly? lol i understnad how you could say that but, by your comment i can tell you dont snipe . with that been said im gonna find a way to make a one hit sniper kill and its gonna be real nice that is unless they have the system set to where no matter what the person wont die but i dont think its like that cause i have killed with one hit before . ... I have Proto Sniper Rifles... Sniping is too easy in this game. I disagree im very high in sniper skills past proto , And the sniper rifles are ripped off. Lets not get to much off topic the AR's Are over powered .