DUST Search - To DEVS, To any pilot that gives a damn. INCLUDES CCP'S PROTOTYPE GUNSHIP!

Godin Thekiller wrote:

1: The Gunship is needed, but the Assault Dropship can stay really. The Gunship is meant for quick, but hard hitting fire support, while the ADS is meant for weaker, but maybe slightly longer fire support with a quick rushing squad dropping in form it to hit whatever they are striking(which is why I think that the size of the ADS should increase to 3 passengers, so it can run a full crew at all times, and the LDS's increase to 6 passengers for the same reason. The regular can stay 4, as it's not meant to be as good as the Logi in terms of ferrying, but better than the ADS, because it gave up space for firepower and mobility). Therefore, they have different roles, and is balanced (if they get the numbers right)

2: The Logi ship you made is stupid, and from how it's designed in terms of doing something that is suited for the MAV (supplying) and the LLV (repairing). The Logi DS is made for getting people around rather than do the things you stated in this new ship. Additionally, it's got way too high of an eHP for moving at a pace that's reasonable. Lastly, it starts out as a specialized variant compared to the other hulls (ex. HAV's have the Marauder suited for tanking, Black Ops as support/stealth HAV, and Enforcer which are the DPS, and the regular which can do all of these things, but at a weaker level), so it doesn't fall in line.

EDIT: Looking back, I just realized that you called the Gunship Attack Ship, and has a OP Gunship. Yea, that thing would be UP towards AV (probably, probably not, seeing as though it would have tank like a HAV, higher speeds, and being able to put a Afterburner on it, it wouldn't have 0 problems with AV unless it somehow couldn't get out of range), but towards any ground vehicle, good luck. I see people cringing on ADS's already, seeing them hover above them around an entire map. And you want to put a large turret on it? Ha!


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Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 82	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:34:00 - [1] - Quote Dear fellow pilots and any CCP Devs, Mainly to CCP Wolfman CCP Nullarbar Any other DEV teams. I have spent sometime recently trying the logi droship as a logi dropship, e.g. repping, cru spawning, I have also made a conclusive review of the assault dropship after 5 months of flying it, considering they are about to be removed, I think they should be removed FOREVER, they should be reintroduced as new vehicle classes with completely different looks as a dropship. I have decided that the logi dropship should not return as a dropship, neither should the assault dropship, infact as new vehicle classes to add variety, the dropship is intended solely as troop support and a small gunning platform, I think that in the case of the assault dropship, it is even worse, it just doesn't make much sense in the future to have a dropship as a assault offensive vehicle because it is so slow, fragile and difficult to shoot and fly. I have put together 2 new classes that should replace the logi and assault dropship with stats and built-in modules. Now CCP, I have spent a long time working on this and feedback would be very appreciated, atleast. Why is the dropship used as a logistics support vehicle? Why is the dropship used as a assault vehicle? The Attackship: REPLACEMENT FOR THE ASSAULT DROPSHIP: http://imgur.com/v7ubPru The Logistics Ship: REPLACEMENT FOR THE LOGI DROPSHIP http://imgur.com/olI3FyX And something I would like CCP to consider when they resume work on the Gunship: The Gunship: http://imgur.com/r8ltBT2 This link includes pictures of CCP's Gunship in its prototype stage, not sure how it looks now. And CCP about the bomber dropship, please do not make a variant of the dropship. The bomber dropship could have 2 turrets, one on the top(A2A) , one on the rear aswell (A2A), the bomber dropship should also have no passenger slots.
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Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2013.10.12 12:19:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: The Gunship is needed, but the Assault Dropship can stay really. The Gunship is meant for quick, but hard hitting fire support, while the ADS is meant for weaker, but maybe slightly longer fire support with a quick rushing squad dropping in form it to hit whatever they are striking(which is why I think that the size of the ADS should increase to 3 passengers, so it can run a full crew at all times, and the LDS's increase to 6 passengers for the same reason. The regular can stay 4, as it's not meant to be as good as the Logi in terms of ferrying, but better than the ADS, because it gave up space for firepower and mobility). Therefore, they have different roles, and is balanced (if they get the numbers right) 2: The Logi ship you made is stupid, and from how it's designed in terms of doing something that is suited for the MAV (supplying) and the LLV (repairing). The Logi DS is made for getting people around rather than do the things you stated in this new ship. Additionally, it's got way too high of an eHP for moving at a pace that's reasonable. Lastly, it starts out as a specialized variant compared to the other hulls (ex. HAV's have the Marauder suited for tanking, Black Ops as support/stealth HAV, and Enforcer which are the DPS, and the regular which can do all of these things, but at a weaker level), so it doesn't fall in line. EDIT: Looking back, I just realized that you called the Gunship Attack Ship, and has a OP Gunship. Yea, that thing would be UP towards AV (probably, probably not, seeing as though it would have tank like a HAV, higher speeds, and being able to put a Afterburner on it, it wouldn't have 0 problems with AV unless it somehow couldn't get out of range), but towards any ground vehicle, good luck. I see people cringing on ADS's already, seeing them hover above them around an entire map. And you want to put a large turret on it? Ha! You are stupid, please just don't post. The normal dropship is for transport, your mind doesn't work, large turret on gunship yes, any fighter group, forge-gun, AA HAV will deal with it. This Gunship is a release for the far future. Who says logi-ships can not rep, its not worth explaining to you, you have always turned down feedback/new ideas you QQ'er. You GODIN like to digress where you can.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2013.10.12 12:20:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: The Logi DS isnt a true Logi DS, neither is any of the other Logi vehicles tbh Take the Logi suit, 3 equip slots, generally nanohives/uplinks/rep/needle/scanner/RE so lots of choice The Logi vehicles can only do 1 thing, maybe 2 which is rep and MCRU but rep for a DS is pointless because its a sitting duck The way i see a logi DS it should have an MCRU as standard and also be able to replenish ammo and even rep armor Thank you for your understanding.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2013.10.12 12:26:00 - [6] - Quote Quote: uh huh. I made several reasonable points, and was very civil about things, and all you did as a comeback was insult my intelligence.... wanna try again? No, the logi-ship can be aerial repair, you insult me by calling something I spent my time doing to help CCP stupid and OP. I wish CCP had a direct mail box for contact rather than posting on the forums, because of people like you, and I can tell straight away your going to make something up to reply to what I just posted.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2013.10.12 12:33:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Quote: uh huh. I made several reasonable points, and was very civil about things, and all you did as a comeback was insult my intelligence.... wanna try again? No, the logi-ship can be aerial repair, you insult me by calling something I spent my time doing to help CCP stupid and OP. I wish CCP had a direct mail box for contact rather than posting on the forums, because of people like you, and I can tell straight away your going to make something up to reply to what I just posted. Then it could just attach a remote repairer, and if the things in the air want better repps, they come down and let the specialized units do that. Mixing roles for just one hull then making it really good at them compared to the other hulls is a bad idea, because, as I said, balance issues will arise, then we'll have another mess. Come down from the air? We may as well call this a ground-based game. You don't see fighter jets IRL coming down to refuel in mid combat flights, fuel tankers refuel them from high above just like cars are refuelled in petrol stations.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 87	Posted - 2013.10.12 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Evolution-8 wrote: He has been trolling me since closed beta. He created a main with a similar name to mine to **** with me. Typical british. Ah, interesting...... You believe him Godin? Do a background check: Evolution-8 created: 2013-10-08 13:19 4 days ago Me created on: 2013-01-22 17:25 There are only a few possibilities to who this Evolution-8 may be, his PSN is Vengens200 It has to be someone I know as he called me a 'typical brit' I created a new account at the start of the open beta as my closed beta account was on a friends psn and I didn't have access to the closed beta on my ps3.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:20:00 - [9] - Quote Evolution-8 wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Evolution-8 wrote: He has been trolling me since closed beta. He created a main with a similar name to mine to **** with me. Typical british. Ah, interesting...... You believe him Godin? Do a background check: Evolution-8 created: 2013-10-08 13:19 4 days ago Me created on: 2013-01-22 17:25 There are only a few possibilities to who this Evolution-8 may be, his PSN is Vengens200 It has to be someone I know as he called me a 'typical brit' I created a new account at the start of the open beta as my closed beta account was on a friends psn and I didn't have access to the closed beta on my ps3. OMG! Enough already, stop posing to be me! This has gone far enough, not only are you a copycat but you spam my inbox for isk everyday as well. Please just stop it and don't lie to the Dust community. lol, the isk part gave it away, you are one of 4 people I have asked for isk, dont believe me? go to dustboard and search Evolution-8
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: the assault dropship I'd rather see would not have a front gun , instead it would get 4 mannable turrets. Now that would be great at clearing a place land. great idea, thats the purpose of the Gunship, heavy, quite a bit of staying power, Aside from what you said, I would like to use this as an opportunity to say that the Gunship would be released in the far future, fighters intercepting, AA HAVs, more AV. A Gunship using a railgun would have the same range as a HAV with a railgun so I do not know why people are saying it will be a massively OP av tool.

Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.10.13 09:29:00 - [11] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: You are stupid, please just don't post. The normal dropship is for transport, your mind doesn't work, large turret on gunship yes, any fighter group, forge-gun, AA HAV will deal with it. This Gunship is a release for the far future. Who says logi-ships can not rep, its not worth explaining to you, you have always turned down feedback/new ideas you QQ'er. You GODIN like to digress where you can. discontinues reading thread maybe you had great ideas but with this reply and the fact you want to call something an "attackship" I just can't continue to entertain the idea of reading your dribble. Godin has always argued on my thread so thats between me and him, whats wrong with calling it an attackship, its just a temporary name for whatever it may become. If you bothered to read , attackships are for strafing over targets and making them weaker with every pass, they are medium but fast agile aircraft Gunships are for holding and defending objectives, heavy aircraft that are much easier to kill than a tank because again if you READ they do not have immediate cover as they are always in the open, if your a pilot you will god damn know that.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.10.13 12:02:00 - [12] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Simple Easy Fix, In a gunship pilot cant shoot, boom its balanced as its the power of 2 units not one. as for a attack ship just put 2 light turret slots wile there is no medium turret That's a great idea, the attack ship does not have medium turrets if i'm correct., just a duel small turret for the main gunner, I think a large turret on a heavy aircraft is feasible, this because any other vehicle with a large turret will be able to return fire.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 131	Posted - 2013.10.13 12:18:00 - [13] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Logi and assault dropships should stay. Dropships are like helicopters. Logi is like a Blackhawk helicopter. Assault is like an apache helicopter. Gunship is a heavy aircraft. (Like a c-130) Fighter is a light aircraft. (Like an F-22 raptor) I. LOVE. YOU.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 132	Posted - 2013.10.17 20:05:00 - [14] - Quote Bump
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2013.10.21 15:15:00 - [15] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: You are stupid, please just don't post. The normal dropship is for transport, your mind doesn't work, large turret on gunship yes, any fighter group, forge-gun, AA HAV will deal with it. This Gunship is a release for the far future. Who says logi-ships can not rep, its not worth explaining to you, you have always turned down feedback/new ideas you QQ'er. You GODIN like to digress where you can. discontinues reading thread maybe you had great ideas but with this reply and the fact you want to call something an "attackship" I just can't continue to entertain the idea of reading your dribble. Godin has always argued on my thread so thats between me and him, whats wrong with calling it an attackship, its just a temporary name for whatever it may become. If you bothered to read , attackships are for strafing over targets and making them weaker with every pass, they are medium but fast agile aircraft Gunships are for holding and defending objectives, heavy aircraft that are much easier to kill than a tank because again if you READ they do not have immediate cover as they are always in the open, if your a pilot you will god damn know that. But if read your own ******* post you would see: 1: tank of HAV 2: 2-3x as much speed without a afterburner, more with So even if there's no cover, it can tank the shots and fly off. So what you are saying is it shouldn't be able to take hits and should just die within 3-4 shots, dude understand that the gunship is a future release e.g. 2 years from now. It will require teamwork, not just 3 swarm launchers or 2 forge gunner or a railgun tank, you would need co-ordination, a fighter can fly in, take shots and go out, yet again I have to stress that why should 1 fighter be able to do it? Its a game not real life mate, look at the base price 3.200.000, the A2A is primarily focused on scaring fighters away and if well aimed, to kill. Also read my updates to this under the OP.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 145	Posted - 2013.10.26 20:14:00 - [16] - Quote I sincerely despise this, but... BAYUUMP
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 148	Posted - 2013.10.26 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Logi and assault dropships should stay. Dropships are like helicopters. Logi is like a Blackhawk helicopter. Assault is like an apache helicopter. Gunship is a heavy aircraft. (Like a c-130) Fighter is a light aircraft. (Like an F-22 raptor) I. LOVE. YOU. I do :) because you understood what I percieve my ideas to real world equivalents.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 154	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:31:00 - [18] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: please don't please don't, what? Also will use this as an opportunity to say I have added more updates, check out 2nd post. Aerial Mastery Level 5, For hire in PC, Vehicle specialist.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 199	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:24:00 - [19] - Quote Updated. Will look into adding a bomber design. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 295	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:39:00 - [20] - Quote A rather peaceful December. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."

Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 335	Posted - 2014.01.13 15:46:00 - [21] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Also there should be a medium attack craft made for only the pilot, something really agile with maby 1 light slot and 1 medium around 3k health Also Small, LAV small what you are describing is a fighter jet, except it is the size of a tank and it is light aircraft not medium. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 365	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:44:00 - [22] - Quote I have flown in dust for nearly 2 years now. Anything with the name 'dropship' in it is for exactly that, dropping troopers into wherever they may be required and laying down light support fire. You may have seen me in game or in videos using it as anti everything, thats because a lack of content (eg fighters and heavy gunships) forces me to use it against its intended role, consequently leading to many unnecessary crashes or deaths. Again I cite that the assault dropship is not intended for anti-armour or anything above infantry. The main role is weakening infantry and killing the occasional sniper. It is a medium aircraft with light firepower. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."