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          Knight Soiaire 
          Rent-A-Taxi
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 13:37:00 -
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          But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. (For a whopping 215 Shield! Thats less than Caldari Starter fits) 2x Complex Kin Catz (The only way I can make up for my lack of eHP, is through Speed tanking, with these two I'm only going .6m/s faster than my Minne Medium, but the med more than makes up for that through eHP)
  Where is the love that you said the Scouts were going to get?
  Its getting tiring now, beaten by ARs in CQC if I miss my first shot, or, if it doesn't register, if I stand still or slow down for even one second, the AR can take my down faster than I can pick up speed to escape.
  The only reason I'm still able to pull positive in matches now is through the use of that Active Scanner, something I shouldn't need, my Passive scan should be enough.
  Please, devs, share with us your ideas of how you're going to fix this broken, weak, and useless role. | 
      
      
      
          
          The Attorney General 
          ZionTCD
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 13:42:00 -
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          I really feel bad for the scouts I know. They really are the unloved class of dust. They have it worse than even heavies. | 
      
      
      
          
          Keri Starlight 
          Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
  703
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 13:44:00 -
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          Just one thing: You might fit a complex shield extender instead of the 2 enhanced ones.
  You will save 18 CPU, 1 PG and about 1000 ISK.
  Can't help with the rest... poor scouts   | 
      
      
      
          
          DUST Fiend 
          OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
  6872
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 13:48:00 -
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          I think I'm destined to love all the things that CCP despises, like scouts, HMGs, and dropships
 
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          Tech Ohm Eaven 
          L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
  837
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 13:52:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. (For a whopping 215 Shield! Thats less than Caldari Starter fits) 2x Complex Kin Catz (The only way I can make up for my lack of eHP, is through Speed tanking, with these two I'm only going .6m/s faster than my Minne Medium, but the med more than makes up for that through eHP)
  Where is the love that you said the Scouts were going to get?
  Its getting tiring now, beaten by ARs in CQC if I miss my first shot, or, if it doesn't register, if I stand still or slow down for even one second, the AR can take my down faster than I can pick up speed to escape.
  The only reason I'm still able to pull positive in matches now is through the use of that Active Scanner, something I shouldn't need, my Passive scan should be enough.
  Please, devs, share with us your ideas of how you're going to fix this broken, weak, and useless role.  
 
  Minmatar militia scout Militia shotgun Enhanced kincat Enhanced cardio Q-45 scanner.
  8k per fit.
  No skills in shotgun. Results: 10 and 6, 8 and 3, 12 and 7.
  Positive KDR. Cheap fit.
  Works for me.
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          Dr3K 
          Nazionali Senza Filtro
  11
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:01:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   
  Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG? | 
      
      
      
          
          Knight Soiaire 
          Rent-A-Taxi
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:04:00 -
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          Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  
  Yes, lvl 2. | 
      
      
      
          
          Reav Hannari 
          Red Rock Outriders
  1615
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:08:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  
  Get both of those to L4 ASAP and don't forget the light and sidearm weapon upgrades to reduce CPU use.
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          Dr3K 
          Nazionali Senza Filtro
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:09:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.   Skill both to lvl 5 to have +30% of CPU/PG... | 
      
      
      
          
          Vrain Matari 
          ZionTCD
  1076
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:09:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.   Holy Jeebus - I wouldn't even think about running proto without lvl 4 in core skills. On the other hand, doing core first is a painfully sloooow way to go. | 
      
      
      
          
          knight of 6 
          SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
  363
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:10:00 -
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          your running a minnie set up then? here my gallente set up for anyone intereseted:
  High Slot: Complex Shield Extender
  Low Slots: MLT Cardiac Regulator Basic CPU Upgrade Complex Armour Rep Complex Armour Rep
  Light weapon: Duvoal Assault Rifle
  Grenade: MLT locus
  Equipment: Basic Spawn Uplink
 
  yea there is still some mlt gear that i still need to get rid of but I haven't had the SP. work in progress.
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          Knight Soiaire 
          Rent-A-Taxi
  2518
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:12:00 -
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          Vrain Matari wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  Holy Jeebus - I wouldn't even think about running proto without lvl 4 in core skills. On the other hand, doing core first is a painfully sloooow way to go.  
  Doing core at all is painfully slow.
  I did map out that I was going to upgrade my core skills before anything else.
  But then I stopped playing, and let my Passive do the SP gaining for me.
  4mil SP to max out my Core Skills that I need the most, something that would work out at around 10 Weeks, if I hit the cap everytime, and logged in every day for the bonus SP.
  Both of which, I'm not willing to do. | 
      
      
      
          
          Keri Starlight 
          Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
  709
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:13:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  
  As someone above suggested, it's very important to get Lv4 at least... I know, it's a pain. But it does make a world of difference. | 
      
      
      
          
          Tech Ohm Eaven 
          L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:17:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  Holy Jeebus - I wouldn't even think about running proto without lvl 4 in core skills. On the other hand, doing core first is a painfully sloooow way to go.  Doing core at all is painfully slow. I did map out that I was going to upgrade my core skills before anything else. But then I stopped playing, and let my Passive do the SP gaining for me. 4mil SP to max out my Core Skills that I need the most, something that would work out at around 10 Weeks,  if I hit the cap everytime, and logged in every day for the bonus SP. Both of which, I'm not willing to do.  
 
  Just max biotics, kincats and cardios. Minmatar militia scout suit: 0 SP , ZERO. Militia shotgun: 0 SP, ZERO SP.
 
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          Spkr4theDead 
          Red Star. EoN.
  1008
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 14:21:00 -
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          Matchmaking should be meta level based. Let the tryhards go into PRO-level while everybody else goes into MLT / STD level. | 
      
      
      
          
          Chunky Munkey 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
  1760
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:13:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  
  There is literally no reason to have a proto suit if you only have those at lvl2. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smooth Assassin 
          Stardust incorporation
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:17:00 -
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          The Attorney General wrote:I really feel bad for the scouts I know. They really are the unloved class of dust. They have it worse than even heavies.    Problem is that they got same slots as heavies... this needs a buff. A nerf to heavies would make them useless. | 
      
      
      
          
          low genius 
          the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
  661
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:18:00 -
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          proto in anything but pc is *****-work | 
      
      
      
          
          Fist Groinpunch 
          Goonfeet Top Men.
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:21:00 -
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          knight of 6 wrote:your running a minnie set up then? here my gallente set up for anyone intereseted:
  High Slot: Complex Shield Extender
  Low Slots: MLT Cardiac Regulator Basic CPU Upgrade Complex Armour Rep Complex Armour Rep
  Light weapon: Duvoal Assault Rifle
  Grenade: MLT locus
  Equipment: Basic Spawn Uplink
 
  yea there is still some mlt gear that i still need to get rid of but I haven't had the SP. work in progress.
   
  That is a terrible, terrible fit. It's might actually be the worst fit proto scout I have ever seen. 
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          MassiveNine 
          0uter.Heaven
  243
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:31:00 -
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          Spkr4theDead wrote:Matchmaking should be meta level based. Let the tryhards go into PRO-level while everybody else goes into MLT / STD level.  
 
  too bad its not that easy. only way to really figure out what gear someone is using is either by sp (still not really a way) or the suit they have favorited. Since you can change suits literally at any time of the game I'm sure people would start with militia then switch right to proto after the game starts. | 
      
      
      
          
          Knight Soiaire 
          Rent-A-Taxi
  2521
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 15:48:00 -
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          Chunky Munkey wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  There is literally no reason to have a proto suit if you only have those at lvl2.  
  There is literally no reason for Electronics/Engineering to be a 5x skill. | 
      
      
      
          
          knight of 6 
          SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
  364
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 16:14:00 -
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          Fist Groinpunch wrote:knight of 6 wrote:your running a minnie set up then? here my gallente set up for anyone intereseted:
  High Slot: Complex Shield Extender
  Low Slots: MLT Cardiac Regulator Basic CPU Upgrade Complex Armour Rep Complex Armour Rep
  Light weapon: Duvoal Assault Rifle
  Grenade: MLT locus
  Equipment: Basic Spawn Uplink
 
  yea there is still some mlt gear that i still need to get rid of but I haven't had the SP. work in progress.
   That is a terrible, terrible fit. It's might actually be the worst fit proto scout I have ever seen.    I know, it's not where I want it to be ether. but it gets the job done. | 
      
      
      
          
          Everything Dies 
          Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
  156
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 16:19:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. (For a whopping 215 Shield! Thats less than Caldari Starter fits) 2x Complex Kin Catz (The only way I can make up for my lack of eHP, is through Speed tanking, with these two I'm only going .6m/s faster than my Minne Medium, but the med more than makes up for that through eHP)
  Where is the love that you said the Scouts were going to get?
  Its getting tiring now, beaten by ARs in CQC if I miss my first shot, or, if it doesn't register, if I stand still or slow down for even one second, the AR can take my down faster than I can pick up speed to escape.
  The only reason I'm still able to pull positive in matches now is through the use of that Active Scanner, something I shouldn't need, my Passive scan should be enough.
  Please, devs, share with us your ideas of how you're going to fix this broken, weak, and useless role.   Do like I do: Use the scout suit as a defensive weapon to protect nodes. My scout suit: 1 shield extender (basic, I believe) 2 profile dampeners (basic) Remote explosives Basic grenades Shotgun (the first non-militia one) Submachinegun (same)
  This is a basic Gallente scout suit (I'm currently working towards unlocking the advanced suit.) Comfortably under 10k per suit. I'm as good as dead if I have to engage an enemy directly, so my whole strategy is to hide and get the drop on any unaware reds; the REs allow me to cover two places at once (REs are great for covering three sides of a CRU, leaving you to focus on the remaining side and nearby node.) I have zero armor rep...but if I'm taking damage to my armor, chances are I'm as good as dead anyway. 100/149 EHP in total.
  I also have the same build but with a compact nanohive in place of the RE if there is no supply depot nearby. | 
      
      
      
          
          CharCharOdell 
          Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 18:58:00 -
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          For the low slot number and base HP, scouts should be able to fit whatever they want. Triple their fittings stats. | 
      
      
      
          
          Luk Manag 
          of Terror TRE GAFFEL
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          No-one has mentioned that the shotgun hits seems to be registering a lot more consistently since Tuesday (it works now). | 
      
      
      
          
          Knight Soiaire 
          Rent-A-Taxi
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 20:27:00 -
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          Luk Manag wrote:No-one has mentioned that the shotgun hits seems to be registering a lot more consistently since Tuesday (it works now).  
  You're imagining things. | 
      
      
      
          
          Meeko Fent 
          DUST University Ivy League
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 20:41:00 -
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          STD SMG maybe? 
  Lowers cost per fit, and helps stretch fitting resources. 
  But, that's coming from a primarily med frame user. | 
      
      
      
          
          Daxxis KANNAH 
          Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
  400
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 20:42:00 -
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          Knight Soiaire wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Dr3K wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:But its the only way I can fit all I need on my Scout suit.
  Basic Shotgun (Yes, only basic, on a Proto suit) A-48 Active Scanner (Basic one is crap) M512-A SMG 2x Enhanced Shield Ext. 1x Basic Shield Ext. 2x Complex Kin Catz
   Have you skilled the abilities to increase your CPU/PG?  Yes, lvl 2.  Holy Jeebus - I wouldn't even think about running proto without lvl 4 in core skills. On the other hand, doing core first is a painfully sloooow way to go.  Doing core at all is painfully slow. I did map out that I was going to upgrade my core skills before anything else. But then I stopped playing, and let my Passive do the SP gaining for me. 4mil SP to max out my Core Skills that I need the most, something that would work out at around 10 Weeks,  if I hit the cap everytime, and logged in every day for the bonus SP. Both of which, I'm not willing to do.  
  I have Lv4 Electronics - Only just got 4 and Lv3 Engineering. Light weapon op Lv4 and Sidearm Lv3
  As Keri said use a Complex Extender.
  I use a Complex KinCat and Enhance Cardiac I go with the scanner that is just below the Quantum but has the same scan ability (just less duration) I user an ScR and Flaylock.
  Thats on an Adv Min Scout.
  You can use a lower KinCat but personally it doesnt get me out of trouble fast enough. Tried it for a few weeks but you have to be super stealthy and if you are then there really isnt a need for any KinCat. Switched back to the Complex.
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          SgtDoughnut 
          Red Star Jr. EoN.
  262
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 20:45:00 -
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          Scouts don't exactly fall under the purveyance of proto stomping. Scouts are horribly undertuned, just to get a decent fit you have to run a proto suit. | 
      
      
      
          
          Phazoid 
          The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
  53
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.11 21:46:00 -
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          guys use the gallente std with 1 echanced armor plate 1 enchanced shield extender 1 basic armor repair, a crg3 SG, and an active scanner, you can fit a std shotgun and fit an smg | 
      
      
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