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Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 94	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:14:00 - [1] - Quote I only have 5m sp and as a logi all i have is adv suit adv weap and nearly proto equip with adv core skills .. i've spent the past 3 months with this character being pubstomped by squads of proto's and on this forum I see alot of people insulting people saying their opinions aren't valid because their KD/R isn't 2.00 My KD/R is getting nearer to 1 now im at advanced level but I was getting slaughtered when I left the academy and it has taken the past 2 months to correct the initial deficit of kills to deaths Anyone else in a similair position where they are still feeling the effects of being a new player being thrown into the lions den and are close to going to a positive KD/R ?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 479	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote Do you need a hug?
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 267	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:37:00 - [3] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: I suck Munch A poonmunch alt or you changed your friends OP? either way made me laugh
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1223	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:38:00 - [4] - Quote The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 94	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:41:00 - [5] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: I suck Munch A poonmunch alt or you changed your friends OP? either way made me laugh This is my main, It's just that I haven;t had a negative KD/R in any match I've played in over the past 2 months and this character is only 3 months old so I must've really really sucked after leaving the academy to still be at 0.9 KD/R lol
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 94	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:44:00 - [6] - Quote KingBabar wrote: The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day. My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 900	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:44:00 - [7] - Quote My KDR sucks because of cheaters, lag, OP AR, aimbot, glitchers. and my peasants houses were facing the wrong direction.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1224	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:53:00 - [8] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: KingBabar wrote: The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day. My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol Well, yes and no. My KDR hasn't been below 5 since I went with scrambler pistols and a scout suit only, in the third beta build. You don't need proto stuff to play good against proto players, the difference in gear from enhanced to proto isn't that much. What you need is a squad of "enhanced players" playing thight and with skill, it should be enough. I bet a lot of these proto squads are very good players anyway, and most likely they'll play with superior team co-ordination, so called "team fire", having an extra decent gun in every situation is a lot more important than having a Duvolle over a GEK....
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 900	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: KingBabar wrote: The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day. My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol Well, yes and no. My KDR hasn't been below 5 since I went with scrambler pistols and a scout suit only, in the third beta build. You don't need proto stuff to play good against proto players, the difference in gear from enhanced to proto isn't that much. What you need is a squad of "enhanced players" playing thight and with skill, it should be enough. I bet a lot of these proto squads are very good players anyway, and most likely they'll play with superior team co-ordination, so called "team fire", having an extra decent gun in every situation is a lot more important than having a Duvolle over a GEK.... Sounds about right. My KDR wouldn't be what it is without the group of guys and girls I play with that have more talent than I do. I'm basically a KDR parasite.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 195	Posted - 2013.10.11 07:05:00 - [10] - Quote I got revived after being killed by a small missile turret from an Ads yesterday, I don't think he double tapped xD

Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2013.10.11 07:07:00 - [11] - Quote because I use suicidal tactics and don't like to play peekaboo around corners. It's okay, I know I suck.
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 107	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:03:00 - [12] - Quote Most people take this game way too serious, me included sometimes.
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 113	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:17:00 - [13] - Quote I only pull out proto gear if 1 I dont like you so get scrambler pistoled 2 kdr is at a odd number. Like 2.43... just hate for some reason.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 673	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:18:00 - [14] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: KingBabar wrote: The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day. My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol It really depends, ive been in proto since the third month of release+- and the times ive been in a full squad i can count them on my fingers. Yet i still perform very well and need my Proto gear to go up against organized groups of players, the new players i kill are colateral damage. The times i did join a group it was really relaxing vs Lone Wolfing it.
MCEINSTEIN08 ADAMANTIUM CORE 44	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:34:00 - [15] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: I suck Munch Just have fun. KDR is only affection you, you are not penalized in any way shape or form, if you have a good or bad KDR. What counts is ISK and SPs. Play the way you want. So what if you die too often, just stay around other players, don't go out on your own, and you'll be fine. See you on the battle field.
Void Echo Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1724	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:42:00 - [16] - Quote KingBabar wrote: The average KDR for all FPS games will always be less than 1, due to suicides. If you have a KDR of 1 or more, well, - You're above average! In Dust many reckon a KDR of 3 as a benchmark for being called a relevant player, but this is a meassure for players playing on the highest levels, and by that I mean the top corps fighting in PC. Most vets, like me, can use a gek and an enhanced suit and still go 20-0 in pubgames. This is due to better core/support skills, making my suit a little better than yours even though its the same with the same weaponry. We also have about a years worth of experience more than you. That beiing said, I see people with fancy gear playing like scrubs every day. call of duty- 2.1, dust- 4.0, bf- 2.0, other games- average around 2.2 I knew I wasn't normal hahaha
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1702	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:44:00 - [17] - Quote If you just worry about kdr, you just don't going to enjoy the game...Is almost painful to see people trying to maintain a 5.0 ratio, or even 3.0, i feel sorry for that guys. Just have fun, don't worry so much about kdr.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:58:00 - [18] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1702	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:09:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game. Anything above 2.0 you are trying to hard... 2 kills per 1 death is perfectly acceptable. Anything more than that, you are trying FAR to hard.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 717	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:22:00 - [20] - Quote KDR imo has never been a good quality check.They should really set a level or grade or whatever system just to make people play the game for some reason (epeen?). I remember MGO had a wonderful dynamic level system where you could actually level up or level down and you had a weekly "badge" for different things you do well. For Example: You play really well, by capturing many bases in the base game mode: You'll be lvl 15 with the "Elephant" badge You play well, and kill many enemies: you'll be lvl 14 with the "Crocodile" badge You play bad ad kill many enemies with a good k/dr by headshot: you'll be lvl 10 with the "Eagle" badge So the first parameter would show how high on the end match leader boards you usually are The second parameter would show how you actually play (AR master, CQC master, Hacker, Tanker etc.) That would be a good way to see if someone actually play well or not. K/dr only is absolutely not a good factor.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 673	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:31:00 - [21] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game. Anything above 2.0 you are trying to hard... 2 kills per 1 death is perfectly acceptable. Anything more than that, you are trying FAR to hard. It is ? Damn ....even with my KDR i mostly just go derp at it without much thoughts of how many times i die in a fight, 2.0 sounds awfully low to be acceptable.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:34:00 - [22] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game. Anything above 2.0 you are trying to hard... 2 kills per 1 death is perfectly acceptable. Anything more than that, you are trying FAR to hard. i roll in a basic suit... i dont know how to put less effort into it.... not my fault its funny to watch people fly across teh map when i kill them with remote explosives.... and its definatly not my fault like like to follow me into my minefields. someties i even go hardmode and use militia/basic mods on my sever rather then complex extenders and ADV equips... doesnt change the restuls much
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1702	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:37:00 - [23] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game. Anything above 2.0 you are trying to hard... 2 kills per 1 death is perfectly acceptable. Anything more than that, you are trying FAR to hard. It is ? Damn ....even with my KDR i mostly just go derp at it without much thoughts of how many times i die in a fight, 2.0 sounds awfully low to be acceptable. 2.0 is around the area where you having FUN playing the game, and you doing pretty well. You can't be having much fun trying to kill 4 people per each death ( For Example )... - Oh Crap !! I died one time !! Now i have to try killing 4 people without dying ones ...what i use ? The Sniper gun ? Maybe i should use one of my 2,000,000 isk tanks ? Or maybe play like a chicken with my Protobear suit ?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:42:00 - [24] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: My old main that's a sniper has a 13.00 KD/R but that char was made in BETA .. The reason my KD/R is so poor on this character is because i got absolutely roflstomped by peeps in proto squads when I started this character and whilst I can hold my own now hit detection is working and im in adv gear it shows that KD/R is mainly based on how long you've been in proto xD The longer you've been in proto the longer you've had to improve your KD/R from the slaughtering you suffered when you started the character by other peeps in proto doing the same thing It's a vicious cycle and when i see peopel sayign how awesoem they are coz of how good their KD/R is , i just think .. your KD/R is that high because you've been in proto for months pubstomping lol my KDR has been above 3 for nearly my entire dust career, i rarely go proto and only had acess to proto when uprising 1.0 hit... i maintain my KDR in a sever logi madbomber setup so your either... mistaken... or im exceptionally good at the game. Anything above 2.0 you are trying to hard... 2 kills per 1 death is perfectly acceptable. Anything more than that, you are trying FAR to hard. It is ? Damn ....even with my KDR i mostly just go derp at it without much thoughts of how many times i die in a fight, 2.0 sounds awfully low to be acceptable. 2.0 is around the area where you having FUN playing the game, and you doing pretty well. You can't be having much fun trying to kill 4 people per each death ( For Example )... - Oh Crap !! I died one time !! Now i have to try killing 4 people without dying ones ...what i use ? The Sniper gun ? Maybe i should use one of my 2,000,000 isk tanks ? Or maybe play like a chicken with my Protobear suit ? the people with 4+ KDR are the ones that ARNT counting their deaths... my KDR is still around 3 because i do things like run around in a basic scout with knova knives, and roll new and interesting random and ineffective setups just becuase i can... my in game KDR tends to be alot higher when im using my normal role... so technically im one of those people that shouldnt be having fun... but i can tell you, i dont know how many times i died till the games done, and i have an absolute blast when im in my element, even against proto stompers (as long as my team leaves the redzone) i belong to the top 300 club, im one of the people whos been here the longest, it gives me a natural advantage, so im better at the game without even trying to be simply because i made my mistakes a long time ago and learned form them. most of those people you talk about (4+ KDR) belong to two camps, those who find competitive play fun, and those who are naturally gifted/have just learned from playing for a year. you seem to think being competitive automatically means your not having fun, but the reason people play competitivly is BECAUSE they find it fun
Justice Prevails Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:43:00 - [25] - Quote My kdr sucks because you jerks won't stand still. Lol. I am in same boat that my first month or so was horrible. I break even most of the time now and I can live with that. Kdr shouldn't be important, but that stat does appeal to our competitive nature. If they added assists to the killboard a lot more people would be happy with their stats and that would encourage more team play. I would be happy seeing 5k 10a 8d. Or an even better idea, you guys let me win:)
lrian Locust We Who Walk Alone 185	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:51:00 - [26] - Quote Green Living wrote: My KDR sucks because of cheaters, lag, OP AR, aimbot, glitchers. and my peasants houses were facing the wrong direction. Feng sui is a *****!
Rei Shepard Spectre II 673	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:59:00 - [27] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: 2.0 is around the area where you having FUN playing the game, and you doing pretty well. You can't be having much fun trying to kill 4 people per each death ( For Example )... - Oh Crap !! I died one time !! Now i have to try killing 4 people without dying ones ...what i use ? The Sniper gun ? Maybe i should use one of my 2,000,000 isk tanks ? Or maybe play like a chicken with my Protobear suit ? Weird, then i must be an exception because i am having most fun when i am playing against stacked teams, enemies left & right and smack dead in the middle without thinking twice to close the distance towards 4-6 guys then taking them out or die trying. Sometimes you kill em all, other times you die, but you go AHA and learn from the experience. My setup screen has 1 fit in it and its the only one i need, if i end up being rolled because of being disadvantaged, so be it and ill take the 6-7 deaths standing, but i will also be taking out 40+ of their guys. Ive never run Fotm, tank, sniper or a lav in Dust, or hell grouped up to stomp, except a 7-8 times. I am just having fun when my opponents are dying en masse...and the word Tactical Retreat is something i use rarely. Hmmm... maybe i should get myself looked at of having psychopathic tedencies lol.
lrian Locust We Who Walk Alone 185	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:01:00 - [28] - Quote A higher KDR won't help your team, so it's a bad statistic to focus on. You can be a douchebag with a high KDR but little value if you: - redline snipe (exceptions excluded) - squad-protostomp in pub matches - are always the first to ditch your team - plant explosives and go AFK - are a speedtanked scout, but don't want to bite the bullet in Domination - etc. I'd rather get a high win/loss ratio, or more WP per match. It shows I contribute!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:04:00 - [29] - Quote perfect stat to focus on is ISK Destroyed VS Isk lost... its the stat that defines whos winning a war. this game IS about ISK afterall
Rei Shepard Spectre II 673	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:08:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: perfect stat to focus on is ISK Destroyed VS Isk lost... its the stat that defines whos winning a war. this game IS about ISK afterall Made a post about that one time, 4 likes or so and then it disapeared into the Abyss, idd love that KDR be replaced with ISK destroyed, would mean allot more and showed how many proto's you killed or if they were all militia.



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