DUST Search - Proto swarms???

RECON BY FIRE wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

RECON BY FIRE wrote:

With the shield bonus forges get I really doubt swarms actually outdamage them in actual application. The reason they hit for so much though is proficiency and damage mods. Your typical proto swarmer will have no less than proficiency 3 as well as no less than 2 damage mods. This equates to around 2300 raw damage before resists and efficiency. Being an AV guy I can tell you that my proto swarms do not hit a proper fit shield tank for 2000 damage, Id estimate they hit for around 1300 to 1500 which is why I flux shield tanks before firing my swarms which could be what you are experiencing.

Which is too much for the short lock, travel, and reload times. If all of these things were longer then I would have not issue with the Weapon at all, let them keep their damage.

Im quite sure an assault forge can produce much more damage output on a shield tank than a swarm in the same amount of time while also having instant damage application. However, if youre also saying forges put out too much damage too quickly then I would be inclined to agree with you.


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True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2720	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: With the shield bonus forges get I really doubt swarms actually outdamage them in actual application. The reason they hit for so much though is proficiency and damage mods. Your typical proto swarmer will have no less than proficiency 3 as well as no less than 2 damage mods. This equates to around 2300 raw damage before resists and efficiency. Being an AV guy I can tell you that my proto swarms do not hit a proper fit shield tank for 2000 damage, Id estimate they hit for around 1300 to 1500 which is why I flux shield tanks before firing my swarms which could be what you are experiencing. Which is too much for the short lock, travel, and reload times.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2722	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:39:00 - [2] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: True Adamance wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: With the shield bonus forges get I really doubt swarms actually outdamage them in actual application. The reason they hit for so much though is proficiency and damage mods. Your typical proto swarmer will have no less than proficiency 3 as well as no less than 2 damage mods. This equates to around 2300 raw damage before resists and efficiency. Being an AV guy I can tell you that my proto swarms do not hit a proper fit shield tank for 2000 damage, Id estimate they hit for around 1300 to 1500 which is why I flux shield tanks before firing my swarms which could be what you are experiencing. Which is too much for the short lock, travel, and reload times. If all of these things were longer then I would have not issue with the Weapon at all, let them keep their damage. Im quite sure an assault forge can produce much more damage output on a shield tank than a swarm in the same amount of time while also having instant damage application. However, if youre also saying forges put out too much damage too quickly then I would be inclined to agree with you. Again I have some thoughts on how to balance forge guns, but I don't want to take the killing AV power from them, though I would make them single shot good alpha to save them from being used a anti infantry weapons, which is why you see so many of them on the field, also for such a high Alpha I would add in a lock up mechanic.