DUST Search - Repeat after me: AR is not overpowered

Michael Arck wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU.

Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages...

Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid when in comes to gun game.

I had one guy, a M/1 assault run straight at me on the bridge in the open with no use of cover whatsoever while I was using the rail plate as cover while defending the bridge.

He runs at me at least 7 times in a short period and after the seventh death he msgs me something like "When they nerf your crutch you'll be sorry" or some shitt. (RE: "my crutch, what? using cover?")

That's just in the last hour of me playing this game but this game is full of people that just run without thinking then ***** about whatever kills them.

I for one enjoy feasting on the stupidity of the masses, keep running out in the open guys. I don't have to work for headshots at all.

Exactly!

The majority of the community that utters "AR is OP" just want CCP to compensate for their blatant and defiant ignorance instead of them making adjustments to their strategy.

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Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.10.08 02:55:00 - [1] - Quote ..and there's absolutely nothing wrong with an AR killing me, doing 190 damage, while I'm running... AT 110 METERS This is absurd
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 451	Posted - 2013.10.08 02:57:00 - [2] - Quote AR is OP. i might be tired but i know 100% of what i am saying right now.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1399	Posted - 2013.10.08 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote Reduce the clip or reduce the range.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2048	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, that happened and I am the king of Siam
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 439	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote The lines are really blurred right now to be in terms of balancing this might be because i had a few shots tonight but i really don't see that much of an advantage the the AR's users have. I will say the AR is a good choice above some other weapons but would not go on a rant about how it is uber OP weapon like some people do. I don't use an AR and i don't even blink when i get killed by no big deal to me.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 656	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:14:00 - [6] - Quote I'll just keep two-shotting heavies with my pistols for another day, until the nerf bat breaks those too.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2027	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:29:00 - [7] - Quote yeah it's still AR-514 till further notice.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1165	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: The lines are really blurred right now to be in terms of balancing this might be because i had a few shots tonight but i really don't see that much of an advantage the the AR's users have. I will say the AR is a good choice above some other weapons but would not go on a rant about how it is uber OP weapon like some people do. I don't use an AR and i don't even blink when i get killed by no big deal to me. I try not blink too, because i might miss when the Ar guy wpesout my heavy suit in less than 2.2 seconds.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1401	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:32:00 - [9] - Quote I close my eyes when I get killed. Long blink.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1165	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:34:00 - [10] - Quote note these facts: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1276827#post1276827 however note this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1293738#post1293738

Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2120	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:38:00 - [11] - Quote Can't wait to see the combat rifle QQ when it comes out.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1376	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:38:00 - [12] - Quote This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU. Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages...
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2122	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU. Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages... Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid when in comes to gun game. I had one guy, a M/1 assault run straight at me on the bridge in the open with no use of cover whatsoever while I was using the rail plate as cover while defending the bridge. He runs at me at least 7 times in a short period and after the seventh death he msgs me something like "When they nerf your crutch you'll be sorry" or some shitt. (RE: "my crutch, what? using cover?") That's just in the last hour of me playing this game but this game is full of people that just run without thinking then ***** about whatever kills them. I for one enjoy feasting on the stupidity of the masses, keep running out in the open guys. I don't have to work for headshots at all.
Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 76	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:52:00 - [14] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'll just keep two-shotting heavies with my pistols for another day, until the nerf bat breaks those too. I just started investing in Scrambler Pistols because they're a lot of fun for me to use... knowing two shot heavy pistol kills could be on the horizon for me makes me smile. Although, as I normally run a shotgun, I'm fairly accustomed to one or two shot kills. Except for when our hit detection snaps and I have to empty eight shells into a fellow scout before he gives up the ghost. Back on topic: A .25 second spray from a militia AR destroys me. Then again, I'm a scout.
Seigfried Warheit Pradox XVI 47	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:53:00 - [15] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'll just keep two-shotting heavies with my pistols for another day, until the nerf bat breaks those too. Shhhhhhhh nobody knows that lets keep it that way ...
Auld Syne Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:55:00 - [16] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'll just keep two-shotting heavies with my pistols for another day, until the nerf bat breaks those too. ARE YOU INSANE!? Don't tell people about that! The QQ will turn to us next.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1378	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:59:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Michael Arck wrote: This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU. Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages... Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid when in comes to gun game. I had one guy, a M/1 assault run straight at me on the bridge in the open with no use of cover whatsoever while I was using the rail plate as cover while defending the bridge. He runs at me at least 7 times in a short period and after the seventh death he msgs me something like "When they nerf your crutch you'll be sorry" or some shitt. (RE: "my crutch, what? using cover?") That's just in the last hour of me playing this game but this game is full of people that just run without thinking then ***** about whatever kills them. I for one enjoy feasting on the stupidity of the masses, keep running out in the open guys. I don't have to work for headshots at all. Exactly! The majority of the community that utters "AR is OP" just want CCP to compensate for their blatant and defiant ignorance instead of them making adjustments to their strategy.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2675	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:00:00 - [18] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: ..and there's absolutely nothing wrong with an AR killing me, doing 190 damage, while I'm running... AT 110 METERS This is absurd Not sure if sarcastic, but when a laser cannot do that reliably or a scrambler rifle something is wrong. Laser Tech ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAY with not uncertainty outranges Blaster Tech.... in fact everything outranges blaster tech.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 657	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:01:00 - [19] - Quote Gh0st C0de wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'll just keep two-shotting heavies with my pistols for another day, until the nerf bat breaks those too. I just started investing in Scrambler Pistols because they're a lot of fun for me to use... knowing two shot heavy pistol kills could be on the horizon for me makes me smile. Although, as I normally run a shotgun, I'm fairly accustomed to one or two shot kills. Except for when our hit detection snaps and I have to empty eight shells into a fellow scout before he gives up the ghost. Back on topic: A .25 second spray from a militia AR destroys me. Then again, I'm a scout. keep in mind that's with the breach(highest damage variant, slow as hell to fire, lowered range), and both of those were headshots(4.5x mod) at close range under fire from his HMG while suppressing a shotty-scout with a single to the chest, which almost killed him. The scrambler pistol is a finesse weapon for point blank range. She's a finicky girl but damn does she know how to make me smile.
da GAND High-Damage Public Disorder. 265	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:02:00 - [20] - Quote The AR is not OP It's just too easy to use

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2051	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Michael Arck wrote: This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU. Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages... Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid when in comes to gun game. I had one guy, a M/1 assault run straight at me on the bridge in the open with no use of cover whatsoever while I was using the rail plate as cover while defending the bridge. He runs at me at least 7 times in a short period and after the seventh death he msgs me something like "When they nerf your crutch you'll be sorry" or some shitt. (RE: "my crutch, what? using cover?") That's just in the last hour of me playing this game but this game is full of people that just run without thinking then ***** about whatever kills them. I for one enjoy feasting on the stupidity of the masses, keep running out in the open guys. I don't have to work for headshots at all. Exactly! The majority of the community that utters "AR is OP" just want CCP to compensate for their blatant and defiant ignorance instead of them making adjustments to their strategy. Exactly, they want this game to be an rpg where stats rule everything
Adulng Beit Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:32:00 - [22] - Quote let me say that i'm a ScR user through and through. the best part about it is the charged up shot. so anyway I had a bunch of left over MLT AR laying around taking up space in my inventory as well as a bunch of other MLT gear. so I made a MLT suit to get rid of them. today I went 13-2 and the next I got a 10 kill streak. not that impressive I know. but considering that I can only get about a 6 kill streak with my ScR, the AR are too over powered. it should not be so easy for me to go out in all MLT gear and dominate so much. it need a serious nerf or increase the effectiveness of all other light weapons.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4685	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: ..and there's absolutely nothing wrong with an AR killing me, doing 190 damage, while I'm running... AT 110 METERS This is absurd HMG Under powered,AR okay
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 220	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:00:00 - [24] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: ..and there's absolutely nothing wrong with an AR killing me, doing 190 damage, while I'm running... AT 110 METERS This is absurd HMG Under powered,AR okay To be fair, you'd need to make that, "Every other medium-to-long-range weapon under powered, AR okay"
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 120	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:26:00 - [25] - Quote It's not just the AR. Every hit-scan weapon hits harder now. HMG, SMG, ASR, etc. AR is the most common hit-scan weapon so it gets to be in the spotlight.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1164	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:30:00 - [26] - Quote Oh I believe it. http://i.imgur.com/PyUmDEA.jpg
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 198	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:51:00 - [27] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: It's not just the AR. Every hit-scan weapon hits harder now. HMG, SMG, ASR, etc. AR is the most common hit-scan weapon so it gets to be in the spotlight. The issue is that the AR is still better than every other weapon within 75 meters. By the time you charge your ScR you died to a the guy you were aiming for from 60 meters away. It does more DPS than all the other hit-scan weapon but the HMG, but since it's dispersion is so bad and keyboard strafing is out of control in CQ you're better running an AR on your fat suit.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 439	Posted - 2013.10.08 07:03:00 - [28] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Michael Arck wrote: This week on "The Last Words of a Dying Merc", we examine why the mercenary feels a need to utter "AR-514" before going to the white light and spawning back on the CRU. Are they recklessly dying? Or is the user just damn good with an AR? We'll examine the truth right after these lovely messages... Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid when in comes to gun game. I had one guy, a M/1 assault run straight at me on the bridge in the open with no use of cover whatsoever while I was using the rail plate as cover while defending the bridge. He runs at me at least 7 times in a short period and after the seventh death he msgs me something like "When they nerf your crutch you'll be sorry" or some shitt. (RE: "my crutch, what? using cover?") That's just in the last hour of me playing this game but this game is full of people that just run without thinking then ***** about whatever kills them. I for one enjoy feasting on the stupidity of the masses, keep running out in the open guys. I don't have to work for headshots at all. Okay then. Indulge me with a discussion then. This is my opinion on the AR. It is not in it's own nature that it is OP. It's the fact that it is a weapon that can regularly deal it's high DPS in just way to many scenario's. CQC Traits: It has a greater hipfire accuracy than an SMG, and a higher DPS to boot. Plus, a 60 round clip at 750rpm means that you can spray for almost 5 seconds without reloading (as long as the SMG). And for those first 2.5 seconds, there is very little recoil. This makes it an excellent CQC weapon. Mid Range Traits: Excellent dispersion and damage over range. Combine with it's high DPS, you can still deal large amounts of damage over range, and once again, with very high accuracy. Reload time is very fast as well, meaning you can put tons of rounds downrange and can maintain that high DPS quite well over time (Less of a spike damage weapon, more like a steady stream of damage). This makes it an excellent mid range weapon. Long range traits: Damage takes a sudden drop off after a certain point (stats please someone?), but with 60 rounds in the clip and excellent accuracy you can still wound people from long range. The only people you hear crying about the insane range of AR's is the scouts, mainly because they can still deal 10-20 pts of damage over an insane range. Even at 10dmg a bullet, it still deals 120 DPS, which is enough to make any scout run for the hills. It can't take down a good med frame, but it will sure make them move to cover, giving it the ability to still ENGAGE targets at long range. Even if reduced in efficiency. Do you see the point I am trying to make? It's the same problem with the TAC AR. The old TAC AR could be used extremely well from mid-long range, and due to it's good hipfire and clip size, it could still engage people a point blank very well. This was OP, as it could engage almost any type of weapon on equal ground, making it a tactically superior weapon to have with you, as you would almost NEVER be at a disadvantage. The current AR is the most Tactically Superior weapon of 1.4. You can engage almost anyone within 80m and not be at a significant disadvantage. Hence why everyone is carrying it nowadays. HOW TO FIX IT. Give it range, or give it accuracy. NOT BOTH. If they want it to be a short to mid range weapon, then they really need to reduce it's effective range. Give it a sharper dropoff. If they want it to be a mid-long range weapon, then they need to nerf the clip size and it's hipfire. And to give it increased damage. (Notice how it is turning into the TAC AR now. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.) <---- This is because the current AR SHOULD be a short to mid range weapon. Just my 0.002 ISK. Feel free to troll, lol, debate, or agree as you see fit.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 644	Posted - 2013.10.08 07:28:00 - [29] - Quote I have zero SP in ARs, but sometimes I take out my Exile just for fun and I am always amazed how it rips suits apart in 2 seconds. but I think the ScR is alot more stronger, esp. for skilled people. it is a real battle rifle with the added bonus of a charged shot.
RED-EYE -JEDI RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 6	Posted - 2013.10.08 07:41:00 - [30] - Quote AR isnt OP that crazy talk Teamwork is definitely OP. and snow



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