How can a kb/m affect strafing speed? Are you saying that pressing a or d makes me move faster than a DS3 moving the stick left or right?

If not, then move your chubby fingers faster you damn controller monkeys.

any advantage gained from having on or off buttons to strafe with is lost when you actually try to aim at someone using the re-tarded mouse emulator CCP nerfed us with, swings and round abouts, it will always be unbalanced because controllers aka toddlers rattle, are an inferior way to play an fps.

Having played with both...this is untrue.

any advantage gained from having on or off buttons to strafe with is lost when you actually try to aim at someone using the re-tarded mouse emulator CCP nerfed us with, swings and round abouts, it will always be unbalanced because controllers aka toddlers rattle, are an inferior way to play an fps.

I didn't say its useless, I said its evened out by how terrible the mouse is now, and if you don't think its terrible atm you obviously never played the game with a mouse during chromosome.

Arguments aside, im all for seeing it fixed, but frankly ppl like you won't be happy till KB/m support is gone from the game altogether and i've little doubt every time you get beaten in a gun fight you probably cry and scream the person was using a mouse and its so terribly unfair.

I can't see how this is a problem. I'm a controler user and would have to agree it's not kbm user's fault if our thumbs can't keep up. Some of us may have very agile thumbs and are able to strafe faster then others using controllers. what do you say then? Nerf everyone to suit your preferences? Lol sorry if that sounds mean in any way.

Pretty sure this has all been hashed before , yes you can jack up the key repeat rate from what I've heard.

Have to agree, kb\m is a big advantage, may have to bite the bullet and hook mine up, just to compete.. Being an old hat at PC gaming, I will have an unfair advantage.. And that's why I have resisted, so far.. Getting tough, though..

I use both DS3 and KB/M. You change directions going ADADADAD much quicker/easier with kb/m than flicking a thumb stick. Don't care how fast your thumbs are the throw of keys is much much shorter.

By all means plug a KB/M in today and use it for a week, when it turns out that KB/M doesn't turn you into a elite player with matrix strafe abilities will you have the integrity to come back here and admit it?

By all means plug a KB/M in today and use it for a week, when it turns out that KB/M doesn't turn you into a elite player with matrix strafe abilities will you have the integrity to come back here and admit it?

I honestly have no clue how he does this, and don't know of any other kb/m user that has this capability. Can you ask him his settings, what mouse he uses, as well as how he can turn 360 degrees quickly? I personally have my sensitivity up to 90, and on my mouse I can adjust my dpi settings which I keep on the highest, and it takes two to three swipes just to get 180, and it is inaccurate and slow to boot.

KB/M left-right strafing:

1. Press A - instantly 100% speed strafe left
2. Press D - instantly 100% speed strafe right
Commentary: It is impossible to make the keys do less than 100% instant movement speed. They are digital - you move 100% or don't move. So you can - in fact, it is hard not to - achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D.

DS3 left-right strafing:

1. Push left on DS3 stick - instantly there is something like 5% movement left.
2. Then it is 10%, then 20%, then 30%, as you move the stick further left.
3. You only reach 100% movement left speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the left.
4. Push right on DS3 stick - you first go through 90%, 80%, 70% LEFT (i.e. the opposite of what you want...) as you move the stick from it's 95% left position.
5. Eventually you reach the central (neutral) position, then 5%, 10%, etc movement right.
6. You only reach 100% movement right speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the right.
Commentary: It is impossible to make the DS3 do more than 5% (approx) instant movement speed. It is analogue - you cannot help but 5%, then 10%, etc as the stick slides across. So you cannot achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating left and right; the biggest instant change you can achieve from 100% left is to go to something like 90% left (the wrong direction).

Lol, with the ridiculous auto aim ds3 gets, I don't even play with kb/my any more. I know of others that have out right quit due to ds3 being completely superior in killing ability. If you take away strafe from my kb/my then it's only fair to give it aim assist as well. If you want both control schemes to behave exactly the same, better not complain when the actually do. I did retest kb/my, and with sensitivity maxed, you can now 360 in one swipe, but at the same time it is very difficult to keep sights on target due to the sensitivity being to high. Turned down to were it is easy to track a target, and getting side from your flank or rear and you are dead, because it will take multiple swipes to turn to see the enemy shooting at you.

I use KBM and my turn speed has always been incredibly slow, only after 1.5 can I actually turn a 180 without having to pick my mouse up and swipe it back across the pad (only have to when I try doing a full 360 now :P) and that's with my sensitivity at 100.

Ah well, if you want to go there... You admit that I have 4+ years more experience than you playing PC FPS. I also have arcade experience going back to 1974 and console gaming going back to 1977.

I understand the misguided point you're trying to make. I say it's misguided as I have actually tested this in game to see that I can get the same strafe results with both controller and keyboard. If you can't get the same results, train your left thumb. The advantage, if any, is negligible. It's like saying that if someone's arm is .001 millimeters longer than your's then they have a undeniable advantage in reach height. The difference is actually so small as to be unnoticeable.

Ah well, if you want to go there... You admit that I have 4+ years more experience than you playing PC FPS. I also have arcade experience going back to 1974 and console gaming going back to 1977.

I understand the misguided point you're trying to make. I say it's misguided as I have actually tested this in game to see that I can get the same strafe results with both controller and keyboard. If you can't get the same results, train your left thumb. The advantage, if any, is negligible. It's like saying that if someone's arm is .001 millimeters longer than your's then they have a undeniable advantage in reach height. The difference is actually so small as to be unnoticeable.

It won't give you the edge you think it will and you'll loose the auto-aim edge the controller gives you. But you're more than welcome to join the keyboard/mouse community.

How many times are you gunna throw that out there like it means something?

Congrats you were playing games in the 90s and own a pc you are in the exclusive club of just about everybody.

Take away DS3s momentum and make them twitch left and right at 100%, problem solved, but wait that would mess with controller users aim that they've gained after months of not having their control scheme tweaked with every Fing patch, lets just tweak the KB and mouse a bit more, they won't mind getting bent over a little bit more.

Well I'm sure there are many gamers on here with the same amount of experience you have, and there are those with more. In the end, waving your e-peen means nothing as no-one but you cares.

I tried kbm this weekend just based on what I've read here and it is what I used way back on the PC.
It is hard. I'm sure it has its benefits but I suspect I would die 1000s of deaths to get back to where I am now
with the controller.

Please explain? You are saying my activation of a signal is better than your activation? Explain yourself dammit! God damn console scrubs.

To be honest strafing speeds just need to be lowered, for both the controller and KB/M. Currently in Dust your aim is less of a factor in winning engagements, than your ability to strafe left then right as quick as you can whilst spamming bullets in the general direction of your enemy. This is all because said strafing seems to worsen hit detection to the point your opponents bullets just go through you and vice versa. I really hope CCP fix this plague soon as it can really ruin a the game.