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Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:03:00 -
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The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use |
Chumlee Chummington
Red Star. EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:53:00 -
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Good idea, but the players with all lvl 5 core skills will still have a huge advantage over newer players that have very little sp to invest. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:03:00 -
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Yes but they can't use proto. And this wouldn't eliminate the matchmaking. It would just define the biggest variable. Human choice |
Chumlee Chummington
Red Star. EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:19:00 -
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I agree with you, more choices are certainly what we need. But it cant be denied that one player using a basic AR with prof at 5 as well as sharpshooter, operation, etc, will have a massive advantage over one without.
The only solution i could see is a barebones arena game mode with core skills removed, and only basic gear allowed. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:29:00 -
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I disagree because I feel that the matchmaking could keep you from being pub stomped, and I'm not trying to baby anyone. I'm simply trying to have more competitive matches. |
abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
6
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:38:00 -
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Nice Idea but not very effective.
I think a better idea would be to place players into an Sp bracket that between 2.5 million sp and 5 million sp.
So you start off in battle academy and gain up to 2.5 million sp.
Tier 1 = 2.5 mill to 5 mill
Tier 2 = 5 mill to 7.5 mill.
Tier 3 = 7.5 mill to 10 mill
Tier 4 10 mill to 15 mill.
Tier 5 15 mill to 20 mill
Players would be allowed to play in tiers higher than their sp bracket if in a squad that has players in a higher bracket. However players with higher sp will not be able to join into the lower tier.
Sure its not a perfect model to use but its a step in the right direction.
I strongly feel that this is what this game is missing
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Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:53:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Nice Idea but not very effective.
I think a better idea would be to place players into an Sp bracket that between 2.5 million sp and 5 million sp.
So you start off in battle academy and gain up to 2.5 million sp.
Tier 1 = 2.5 mill to 5 mill
Tier 2 = 5 mill to 7.5 mill.
Tier 3 = 7.5 mill to 10 mill
Tier 4 10 mill to 15 mill.
Tier 5 15 mill to 20 mill
Players would be allowed to play in tiers higher than their sp bracket if in a squad that has players in a higher bracket. However players with higher sp will not be able to join into the lower tier.
Sure its not a perfect model to use but its a step in the right direction.
I strongly feel that this is what this game is missing
No way I will go for this. It's the easiest way to never see vets again yeah but this would hurt new players that need help. It would put all the high sp players in the same place to befriend and rule. There are alot of negative aspects to this idea |
Chumlee Chummington
Red Star. EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:57:00 -
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"Could" is the operative word here. I dont think any matchmaker can work properly with such a small player base. The discrepancy between high sp players vs new players is far too large. But your idea of having more player choice may be what we need to attract more people. A game mode where skill trumps better equipment will make newberries feel like they have a better chance. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:07:00 -
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Or a place to go to save isk |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:05:00 -
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Bump |
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Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:38:00 -
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Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:34:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:22:00 -
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I personally feel a matchmaking system based on WP per death would be the best idea. It wouldn't limit anyone's choice of suit, as a gear based matchmaking system would, and it wouldn't it penalise high SP characters that like to run many different roles and so have spent it in many different places, like an SP based matchmaking system. If a good player in all standard gear can fight competitively against a bad player in all proto gear, why not let them fight? |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:28:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:I personally feel a matchmaking system based on WP per death would be the best idea. It wouldn't limit anyone's choice of suit, as a gear based matchmaking system would, and it wouldn't it penalise high SP characters that like to run many different roles and so have spent it in many different places, like an SP based matchmaking system. If a good player in all standard gear can fight competitively against a bad player in all proto gear, why not let them fight? My idea wouldn't stop a good player from playing against proto's in a basic suit. It would only stop proto suits from playing against people who don't wish to fight against them. This would only add a new game mode with no advanced or proto gear allowed. It wouldn't effect the current game modes at all |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2708
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:29:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use Just let pub contracts be ranked from 1-5 with the 5's being the highest ISK rewards, 1's being the lowest. High tier players would naturally gravitate to those high ISK matches, new players would be stomped out of the high tier matches and therefore move into lower tiered matches, pub stomps would only be an occasional thing. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use Just let pub contracts be ranked from 1-5 with the 5's being the highest ISK rewards, 1's being the lowest. High tier players would naturally gravitate to those high ISK matches, new players would be stomped out of the high tier matches and therefore move into lower tiered matches, pub stomps would only be an occasional thing. This may work but it still allows players to have the human decision to pub stomp which is the current problem. Sure pub stomps SHOULD be lessened by this but some people play in proto for easy matches. Not to make ISK, making these players target ranked 1 matches. So while this may lessen new players being pub stomped it will in no way make the proto players stop hazing the newberries. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2710
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:06:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use Just let pub contracts be ranked from 1-5 with the 5's being the highest ISK rewards, 1's being the lowest. High tier players would naturally gravitate to those high ISK matches, new players would be stomped out of the high tier matches and therefore move into lower tiered matches, pub stomps would only be an occasional thing. This may work but it still allows players to have the human decision to pub stomp which is the current problem. Sure pub stomps SHOULD be lessened by this but some people play in proto for easy matches. Not to make ISK, making these players target ranked 1 matches. So while this may lessen new players being pub stomped it will in no way make the proto players stop hazing the newberries. Why stop it. No one stopped Snuffbox blowing up my ship in EVE (damn you Bethany Valvetino), no one stopped those DPS fleets jump me as I was bashing the POS in a worm hole. No one stopped pirates from hot dropping me out in Molden Heath.
PvP pilots in eve are always stomping smaller and weaker targets. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1090
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:09:00 -
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Chumlee Chummington wrote:Good idea, but the players with all lvl 5 core skills will still have a huge advantage over newer players that have very little sp to invest. Yes, but mega suits with hundreds more HP then standard suits would be left out.
The skills will do as skills do. They will give the gets a bonus, but the skills alone don't make vets the "OP Class".
The gear is the major issue, the skills give an appreciable, but not unbalancing bonus. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1090
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use Just let pub contracts be ranked from 1-5 with the 5's being the highest ISK rewards, 1's being the lowest. High tier players would naturally gravitate to those high ISK matches, new players would be stomped out of the high tier matches and therefore move into lower tiered matches, pub stomps would only be an occasional thing. This may work but it still allows players to have the human decision to pub stomp which is the current problem. Sure pub stomps SHOULD be lessened by this but some people play in proto for easy matches. Not to make ISK, making these players target ranked 1 matches. So while this may lessen new players being pub stomped it will in no way make the proto players stop hazing the newberries. Why stop it. No one stopped Snuffbox blowing up my ship in EVE (damn you Bethany Valvetino), no one stopped those DPS fleets jump me as I was bashing the POS in a worm hole. No one stopped pirates from hot dropping me out in Molden Heath. PvP pilots in eve are always stomping smaller and weaker targets. Yes, but in EVE the wusses can stay in high sec and farm ISK.
There is no safe zone in DUST. There is however, in EVE. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:True Adamance wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use Just let pub contracts be ranked from 1-5 with the 5's being the highest ISK rewards, 1's being the lowest. High tier players would naturally gravitate to those high ISK matches, new players would be stomped out of the high tier matches and therefore move into lower tiered matches, pub stomps would only be an occasional thing. This may work but it still allows players to have the human decision to pub stomp which is the current problem. Sure pub stomps SHOULD be lessened by this but some people play in proto for easy matches. Not to make ISK, making these players target ranked 1 matches. So while this may lessen new players being pub stomped it will in no way make the proto players stop hazing the newberries. Why stop it. No one stopped Snuffbox blowing up my ship in EVE (damn you Bethany Valvetino), no one stopped those DPS fleets jump me as I was bashing the POS in a worm hole. No one stopped pirates from hot dropping me out in Molden Heath. PvP pilots in eve are always stomping smaller and weaker targets. High sec |
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Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:30:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Chumlee Chummington wrote:Good idea, but the players with all lvl 5 core skills will still have a huge advantage over newer players that have very little sp to invest. Yes, but mega suits with hundreds more HP then standard suits would be left out. The skills will do as skills do. They will give the gets a bonus, but the skills alone don't make vets the "OP Class". The gear is the major issue, the skills give an appreciable, but not unbalancing bonus. exactly |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.09 19:18:00 -
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bump |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:07:00 -
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Bump |
abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:34:00 -
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abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
8
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:38:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:abarkrishna wrote:Nice Idea but not very effective.
I think a better idea would be to place players into an Sp bracket that between 2.5 million sp and 5 million sp.
So you start off in battle academy and gain up to 2.5 million sp.
Tier 1 = 2.5 mill to 5 mill
Tier 2 = 5 mill to 7.5 mill.
Tier 3 = 7.5 mill to 10 mill
Tier 4 10 mill to 15 mill.
Tier 5 15 mill to 20 mill
Players would be allowed to play in tiers higher than their sp bracket if in a squad that has players in a higher bracket. However players with higher sp will not be able to join into the lower tier.
Sure its not a perfect model to use but its a step in the right direction.
I strongly feel that this is what this game is missing
No way I will go for this. It's the easiest way to never see vets again yeah but this would hurt new players that need help. It would put all the high sp players in the same place to befriend and rule. There are alot of negative aspects to this idea
how is playing with people in the same sp range as you less fun?
how fun is it to play against a guy with 25 million sp when you only have 5?
how would it hurt new players when There is still local channel as well as corp channels so they could ask for advice.
besides if people need help thats what the forums are for
Your just dumb buddy |
abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
8
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:41:00 -
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I had already said that people with lower SP can join games with higher SP so that they can still squad up.
It would make very little difference to the vets. who have upwards of 15 million
All it would do is severly lower the protostomps and balance the game
And any "Vet" Who would rather proto stomp noobs than have a good evenly matched game is just as stupid as you |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:59:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Text Grant wrote:abarkrishna wrote:Nice Idea but not very effective.
I think a better idea would be to place players into an Sp bracket that between 2.5 million sp and 5 million sp.
So you start off in battle academy and gain up to 2.5 million sp.
Tier 1 = 2.5 mill to 5 mill
Tier 2 = 5 mill to 7.5 mill.
Tier 3 = 7.5 mill to 10 mill
Tier 4 10 mill to 15 mill.
Tier 5 15 mill to 20 mill
Players would be allowed to play in tiers higher than their sp bracket if in a squad that has players in a higher bracket. However players with higher sp will not be able to join into the lower tier.
Sure its not a perfect model to use but its a step in the right direction.
I strongly feel that this is what this game is missing
No way I will go for this. It's the easiest way to never see vets again yeah but this would hurt new players that need help. It would put all the high sp players in the same place to befriend and rule. There are alot of negative aspects to this idea how is playing with people in the same sp range as you less fun? how fun is it to play against a guy with 25 million sp when you only have 5? how would it hurt new players when There is still local channel as well as corp channels so they could ask for advice. besides if people need help thats what the forums are for Your just dumb buddy You sir, can not read. Goodbye troll. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:13:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use
I posted this exact idea with full systematic details of how the battles would work, and got no response.. you'd be lucky if CCP even read this. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:45:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use I posted this exact idea with full systematic details of how the battles would work, and got no response.. you'd be lucky if CCP even read this. This is why im bumping it to no end :) |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:47:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Text Grant wrote:The matchmaking can't take into account when a player will use better gear which substantially changes the players ability. Lets eliminate this and allow players to pick from two types. No restriction, or basic and below only. When in a basic battle any fittings with better gear are shown as an invalid fitting and is impossible to use I posted this exact idea with full systematic details of how the battles would work, and got no response.. you'd be lucky if CCP even read this. If you post a link to yours (if it isnt locked yet) I will bump it instead. |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2700
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:14:00 -
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I'd prefer "gear-based" to SP-based.
Gear-based would be 100% effective, 100% of the time. Only STD/MLT in the low tier. Brilliant.
Of course vets would still get passive skills, but that's their "reward" for being vets. In the low-tier they can leverage their passives but not their assets. They'd still be more lethal, but it wouldn't even be close to the pub-stomp that is Newbiew + MLT gear vs. Vet + PRO gear.
You can have matchmaking within the gear tiers if you want, but the tiers simply existing would be huge by itself. The matchmaking as-is does jack-squat. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:38:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:I'd prefer "gear-based" to SP-based.
Gear-based would be 100% effective, 100% of the time. Only STD/MLT in the low tier. Brilliant.
Of course vets would still get passive skills, but that's their "reward" for being vets. In the low-tier they can leverage their passives but not their assets. They'd still be more lethal, but it wouldn't even be close to the pub-stomp that is Newbiew + MLT gear vs. Vet + PRO gear.
You can have matchmaking within the gear tiers if you want, but the tiers simply existing would be huge by itself. The matchmaking as-is does jack-squat. Exactly. And FYI the ONLY reason I added standard gear is it isn't exactly "better" and you can't use a logi suit or half the weapons in a militia only battle. |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:49:00 -
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bump |
Text Grant
MurderWorkers
168
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:10:00 -
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Bump |
Text Grant
The Generals BC
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:32:00 -
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