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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:16:00 -
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I have sent this by email as well, and I am also posting it here. I love the UI, but the data itself leaves something to be desired. I feel that it's critical that you show an unbiased and accurate view of the data.
Your corporations and alliances tabs are somewhat unfairly portraying a lot of groups. First of all, many of our alliances are much larger, but misrepresented because you don't bother to pull the alliance list from the API, and query for the details of all the corps in any given alliance. So your "Largest" Alliances thing is incorrect, as is the supposed "Greediest" Alliances.
On the "Greediest" Corps/Alliances topics, you're dissing corps for collecting 10% tax, even though that means that they're unable to support themselves on district income, and have to eek out a living on a paltry tax rate. If anything, the "Greediest Corps" are the ones sitting on 40-60 districts for no reason other than to farm them for literally a billion ISK a day. So I have to argue that this is extremely prejudiced.
Your "Bullied" Corporations/Alliances are actually the corporations and alliances using an exploitative game mechanic to lock their districts and avoid combat. Again, your system is putting the wrong people in the wrong light again.
The inherent problem to these displays, is you add loaded language to these dialogs, and they are in fact, incorrect. If you are unwilling to pull the alliance list, to accurately portray an alliance, you should not display alliance size info at all, since you are doing it incorrectly and incompletely. Do it right, or don't do it.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:08:00 -
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I have nothing to do with this site, but I'll try to answer your concerns anyway.
Soraya Xel wrote:Your corporations and alliances tabs are somewhat unfairly portraying a lot of groups. First of all, many of our alliances are much larger, but misrepresented because you don't bother to pull the alliance list from the API, and query for the details of all the corps in any given alliance. So your "Largest" Alliances thing is incorrect, as is the supposed "Greediest" Alliances. Valid complaint, although I think BGoat has chosen to only show corporations that holds districts. This site isn't about showing the biggest alliance overall, but rather about showing the alliances presence in PC. Therefore it is correct to only show an alliance's corporations that actually hold districts in PC.
This is his choice. The site is about PC and I think it's reasonable to only show corporations with districts. If you want to see all the corps in a given alliance you can use other sites (Dotlan etc I would guess).
Quote:On the "Greediest" Corps/Alliances topics, you're dissing corps for collecting 10% tax, even though that means that they're unable to support themselves on district income, and have to eek out a living on a paltry tax rate. If anything, the "Greediest Corps" are the ones sitting on 40-60 districts for no reason other than to farm them for literally a billion ISK a day. So I have to argue that this is extremely prejudiced. I don't think he's "dissing" any corps here. He's just listing the corps with the highest tax rate and gives the column a fancy headline. Sure it could say "Corporations with the highest tax" instead, but I don't have a problem with a fancy headline.
Quote:Your "Bullied" Corporations/Alliances are actually the corporations and alliances using an exploitative game mechanic to lock their districts and avoid combat. Again, your system is putting the wrong people in the wrong light again. Again, he's just listing the corps with the most districts under attack and gives the column a fancy headline. These are the corps with the most districts under attack whether they attack themselves or not.
Quote:The inherent problem to these displays, is you add loaded language to these dialogs, and they are in fact, incorrect. If you are unwilling to pull the alliance list, to accurately portray an alliance, you should not display alliance size info at all, since you are doing it incorrectly and incompletely. Do it right, or don't do it. As said above, he's not trying or wanting to list whole alliances, but merely the parts of alliances that hold districts. That's what the site is about.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:16:00 -
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I got a response from BGoat, the biggest issue is his availability to work on the site right now, which I fully understand.
But our alliance as a whole fights in PC, even though only a couple own districts. Not accounting for the entire alliance misrepresents our PC presence. The biggest issue here, is that in order to do this properly, once he pulls the alliance info, he then needs to use that to go back and grab info for all the other corporations. It's an extra step, but a necessary one.
Greediest and Bullied are prejudicial. As a neutral site, it's poor taste.
Parts of alliances don't hold districts. If only part of your alliance does PC, your alliance isn't really much of an alliance, because you aren't working together. If he wants to disregard alliances entirely, and just talk about corps, and what alliances they belong to, that's fine. But as soon as he has an alliance page that says "here's the sum total of alliance members", is when he's floated into shady ground. If he doesn't want to tally that info himself, rather than providing incomplete figures, he can link directly to Dotlan from his site. But incomplete information is misleading information.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Maximos Forcus
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I got a response from BGoat, the biggest issue is his availability to work on the site right now, which I fully understand.
But our alliance as a whole fights in PC, even though only a couple own districts. Not accounting for the entire alliance misrepresents our PC presence. The biggest issue here, is that in order to do this properly, once he pulls the alliance info, he then needs to use that to go back and grab info for all the other corporations. It's an extra step, but a necessary one.
Greediest and Bullied are prejudicial. As a neutral site, it's poor taste.
Parts of alliances don't hold districts. If only part of your alliance does PC, your alliance isn't really much of an alliance, because you aren't working together. If he wants to disregard alliances entirely, and just talk about corps, and what alliances they belong to, that's fine. But as soon as he has an alliance page that says "here's the sum total of alliance members", is when he's floated into shady ground. If he doesn't want to tally that info himself, rather than providing incomplete figures, he can link directly to Dotlan from his site. But incomplete information is misleading information.
It's a free service. Don't like it? Build your own. All this QQ'ing is pretty sad, have you tried counseling?
And let me also tell you this: any data used to generate information that can be consumed is biased. |
General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.04.13 22:31:00 -
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I checked out what was happening and I found a donut.
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
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mikbomb93 kimbrell
DETHDEALERS RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.29 11:39:00 -
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BGoat wrote:Quick Linkhttp://www.dustcharts.comWant to see what events are happening in Planetary Conquest, as they happen? Looking for an easy target to attack? Curious about which Alliances and Corporations hold the most districts? These are just a few of the questions you can find answers to on the DUST Charts website! Currently, the site is primarily geared toward Planetary Conquest, since the only data exposed through the CREST API is related to Districts in Molden Heath. However, as CCP exposes more API Endpoints to the public, a broader range of features will be developed and released. DUST Charts currently offers the following functionality: LIVE DASHBOARD
- Activity Feed
- Vulnerable Districts List
- Breakdown of Reinforcement Time for all Districts
- Count of Districts Under Attack, Generating Clones, Locked and Unlocked
- Current ISK Value of all Clones in Molden Heath
DISTRICTS OWNERSHIP VISUALIZATION
- By Corporation
- By Alliance
DISTRICTS SEARCHGreat for searching for targets to attack!
- View all data for every district
- Sort by any field
- Filter results on the fly by typing in the Search box
CORPORATIONS DASHBOARD
- Listing of all Corporations participating in Planetary Conquest
- Top 5 Greediest Corporations (highest tax rate)
- Top 5 Richest Corporations (based on current clone biomass value)
- Top 5 Largets Corporations (by member count)
- Top 5 Bullied Corporations (by number of districts under attack)
- All Corporations link to their own Corporation Overview page
CORPORATION OVERVIEWDetails
- Alliance membership
- CEO
- Tax Rate
- Member Count
- Districts Held
Insights
- Total Clone count
- Total Clone capacity
- Total Clone Biomass Value
- Molden Heath Ownership Share
- Held Districts Reinforcement Time Breakdown
- Held Districts Infrastructure Type Breakdown
District Holdings
- All data for districts held by Corporation
- Sortable and Searchable
Recent Activity
- Only events pertaining to Corporation
ALLIANCE DASHBOARD
- Listing of all Corporations participating in Planetary Conquest
- Top 5 Greediest Alliances (highest average tax rate of member corporations)
- Top 5 Richest Alliances (based on current clone biomass value)
- Top 5 Largets Alliances (by member count)
- Top 5 Bullied Alliances (by number of districts under attack)
- All Corporations link to their own Alliance Overview page
ALLIANCE OVERVIEWDetails
- Tax Rate
- Member Count
- Corporation Count
- Districts Held
Insights
- Total Clone count
- Total Clone capacity
- Total Clone Biomass Value
- Molden Heath Ownership Share
- Held Districts Reinforcement Time Breakdown
- Held Districts Infrastructure Type Breakdown
District Holdings
- All data for districts held by Alliance
- Sortable and Searchable
Recent Activity
- Only events pertaining to Alliance
Chat
- Embedded IRC Chat (#dust514 on irc.coldfront.net)
In addition to what is listed above, some of the features coming soon include:
- Trending Dashboards (visualizing data over time)
- More Event Types in the Activity Feed
- Filter Activity Feed by Event Type
- Constellation, Solar System, Planet and District Dashboards and Overview pages
- Event Notifications -- Get an email when your corporation is attacked, loses a distrct, etc!
- And much more...
Many nights and weekends were spent building DUST Charts in my spare time, so humor me and check it out if you haven't already http://www.dustcharts.comAny and all feedback is welcome and appreciated! Feel free to post in this thread or use the "Contact Me" button on the "About" page on DUST Charts to send me an email. This site is amazing and i didnt know it existed thank you very much |
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