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Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.05 22:32:00 - [1] - Quote No matter how hard I try, with every infantry weapon, except the sniper rifles and forge guns, I just feel like we're playing paint ball because of the short ranges of the weapons. Now I know that for the ranges I'm about to suggest, CCP will have to make a major fix on rendering distance and open the maps out, among other adjustments, so even if this were favored, I have my doubts it'll happen. Also, I'm sure a portion of the player base who believe all weapons should be CQC will QQ. Weapon: Optimal/Maximum range in meters. Flaylock Pistols: 30* Scrambler Pistols: 40/60 Submachine Guns: 80/150 Assault Rifles: 350/550 Sniper Rifles: 1050/1500 SWARM Launchers: 3000 Mass Drivers: 300* Laser Rifles: 350-560/715 Shotguns: 50/100 Scrambler Rifles: 420/605 Plasma Cannons: 750* Forge Guns: 900/2400 Heavy Machine Guns: 800/1500 *Fired ordinance is a self contained explosive. Damage will be the same at all ranges. Therefore optimal and maximum range is the same. Let the debate, trolling, and QQ begin!
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.05 22:43:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: TBH the ranges in this game is far longer than another shooter i've played. Maybe, but all the other shooters I've played had much smaller maps or have been designed to force a more limited line of sight. The exception was Project IGI where weapon ranges were really long and I could take a target out of a watch tower at 400+ meters with an AR.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:18:00 - [3] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: No. (did you really just say that shotty's should shoot 50 meters at optimal? You've lost your mind?) Optimal range damage per projectile yes, this has nothing to do with dispersion.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:23:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Guns that have super long ranges like this are much less accurate than the ones we have. In Dust, you can run, jump, dodge, all while aiming down the sights...and still land 100% of your bullets as long as the sight is on the enemy. Then again, this only applies to the AR. If you want super long ranges like this, I'm perfectly fine with that, but our guns need to have a ton more spread. This is something that needs to be fixed with the AR; it has no spread when ADS. Have you ever played Halo? You know the original one with the AR that you can't ADS with? Imagine if the automatic weapons in this game were like that. You can shoot across the map if you want and still hit players, but the amount of bullets that actually hit that player will be very minimal. Actually the dispersion will have to be tightened up as the effect will be more noticeable at range. Example: 1.5 meter dispersion at 50 meters would translate to 7.5 meter dispersion at 250 meters. That's too tight for a full auto firing rate yes, but it's to loose for semi automatic firing.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:26:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: OP with that shotgun range and range in general of all the weapons i do have to question your knowledge in metrics... Metrics as in measurement of length? Yes, I know those scales. That you think I mean that every projectile from a shotgun round should hit it's target at 50 meters? You assume too much.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:29:00 - [6] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: swarms 3000? GTFO like DS need tht or tanks. i mean tht's 3 map lengths. mostly XD "CCP will have to make a major fix on rendering distance and open the maps out, among other adjustments,"
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote low genius wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: No matter how hard I try, with every infantry weapon, except the sniper rifles and forge guns, I just feel like we're playing paint ball because of the short ranges of the weapons. Now I know that for the ranges I'm about to suggest, CCP will have to make a major fix on rendering distance and open the maps out, among other adjustments, so even if this were favored, I have my doubts it'll happen. Also, I'm sure a portion of the player base who believe all weapons should be CQC will QQ. Weapon: Optimal/Maximum range in meters. Flaylock Pistols: 30* Scrambler Pistols: 40/60 Submachine Guns: 80/150 Assault Rifles: 350/550 Sniper Rifles: 1050/1500 SWARM Launchers: 3000 Mass Drivers: 300* Laser Rifles: 350-560/715 Shotguns: 50/100** Scrambler Rifles: 420/605 Plasma Cannons: 750* Forge Guns: 900/2400 Heavy Machine Guns: 800/1500 Fired ordinance is a self contained explosive. Damage will be the same at all ranges. Therefore optimal and maximum range is the same. *This is the damage rate of an individual projectile from the shotgun not an implication that every projectile from a single shot should hit the target at stated range. Let the debate, trolling, and QQ begin! submachine guns are going to hit at 450 feet? that's all I needed to read. Actually it would hit out to 492 feet but the damage would really suck after 262.4 feet. LOL
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 354	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:27:00 - [8] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: LOL NO Yeah. You wouldn't be able to handle it. LOL
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 356	Posted - 2013.10.16 23:25:00 - [9] - Quote Bump.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 356	Posted - 2013.10.16 23:42:00 - [10] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I like it, though people aren't taking weapon dispersion into consideration... I had to edit the post and add the ** note to make that clear. So blame not the respondents. I should have accounted for the lack of knowledge about weapon function some players may have.

Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Still no. Those ranges are way too far. We aren't trying to snipe at each other ( your saying ranges in which covers objective to objective, some even longer. 3km ranged Swarms? Never will happen, ever.). It won't if the maps stay so closed up.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:51:00 - [12] - Quote Late bump.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 359	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:17:00 - [13] - Quote low genius wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: No matter how hard I try, with every infantry weapon, except the sniper rifles and forge guns, I just feel like we're playing paint ball because of the short ranges of the weapons. Now I know that for the ranges I'm about to suggest, CCP will have to make a major fix on rendering distance and open the maps out, among other adjustments, so even if this were favored, I have my doubts it'll happen. Also, I'm sure a portion of the player base who believe all weapons should be CQC will QQ. Weapon: Optimal/Maximum range in meters. Flaylock Pistols: 30* Scrambler Pistols: 40/60 Submachine Guns: 80/150** Assault Rifles: 350/550 Sniper Rifles: 1050/1500 SWARM Launchers: 3000 Mass Drivers: 300* Laser Rifles: 350-560/715 Shotguns: 50/100** Scrambler Rifles: 420/605 Plasma Cannons: 750* Forge Guns: 900/2400 Heavy Machine Guns: 800/1500** Fired ordinance is a self contained explosive. Damage will be the same at all ranges. Therefore optimal and maximum range is the same. *This is the damage rate of an individual projectile from the weapon not an implication that dispersion should be reduced to enable every projectile to hit the target at stated range. Let the debate, trolling, and QQ begin! maybe try not being a redline carebear? Even when I'm running my scout alt in sniper mode, I never redline unless the opposing team has us pushed us back that far, and even then I try to find a way around them to shoot them in their backs from outside the red line. After all, I'm not the douche you appear to be.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 382	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:08:00 - [14] - Quote Bump The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 382	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:30:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: No matter how hard I try, with every infantry weapon, except the sniper rifles and forge guns, I just feel like we're playing paint ball because of the short ranges of the weapons. Now I know that for the ranges I'm about to suggest, CCP will have to make a major fix on rendering distance and open the maps out, among other adjustments, so even if this were favored, I have my doubts it'll happen. Also, I'm sure a portion of the player base who believe all weapons should be CQC will QQ. Weapon: Optimal/Maximum range in meters. Flaylock Pistols: 30* Scrambler Pistols: 40/60 Submachine Guns: 80/150** Assault Rifles: 350/550 Sniper Rifles: 1050/1500 SWARM Launchers: 3000 Mass Drivers: 300* Laser Rifles: 350-560/715 Shotguns: 50/100** Scrambler Rifles: 420/605 Plasma Cannons: 750* Forge Guns: 900/2400 Heavy Machine Guns: 800/1500** Fired ordinance is a self contained explosive. Damage will be the same at all ranges. Therefore optimal and maximum range is the same. This is the damage rate of an individual projectile from the weapon not an implication that dispersion should be reduced to enable every projectile to hit the target at stated range. Let the debate, trolling, and QQ begin! I think RAnges NEED to stay short since the Maps are WAY to OPEN. If a RANGE in weapons would occur, then a Heavy increase in COVER for infantry PER MAP would be at hand... Just imagine THE REDLINED BERRIES not being able to even show their faces ''550 mts'' behind the red line because a guy with a DUVOLLE will kill their ass... hmhmm... AND I HEAVILY OPPOSE making maps bigger. As it is,except for vehicle Drivers, having to RUN 400-600mts to an objective is just madness...* Militia LAV/Dropship or a pilot team mate is the solution to that issue. This game is more about teamwork than lone wolfing. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 382	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:32:00 - [16] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: One of the biggest mistakes CCP ever made was putting distance in a unit we can easily compare/understand. I say this because this issue comes up a lot. People bring up GÇ£realism" blah blah and don't realize gameplay is more important than realism. Should of put all ranges in shaktars that way people stop the complaining. If it makes you feel any better just start adding zeros, range of ARs is now 800m, shotguns 70m etc. Then we are playing on absolutely huge maps in gigantic 60m tall suits running 80m+ per sec because...it's the future. I understand that CQC fans seem to thing anything more than ten meters is too far, but things can have some common sense to them without killing the fun. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.