Bad players everywhere agree -- let's remove the single stat that helps good players judge them!

Remove kdr? I feel this would only serve to make bad/ new players feel better about themselves, and inconvenience players that wish to get a frame of reference as to how good other players are. Unless you have some master method of measuring skill with a different stat, kdr is the only frame of reference we have atm.

And what the hell is up with these suggestions for stats? We don't need any stats removed, only some new ones. How is how much isk an individual earns on average per game a measure of his skill?

The stats we need the most right now are average WP per game (not isk), and average KD spread per game.

You guys know what kd spread is right? Kills - Deaths = KD spread or in other words how many clones you help or hurt your time by on average. A much easier way of finding your current kd/spread would be to subtract your total lifetime kills by deaths, then divide that number by the total amount of games you have played in your entire Dust career.

Other stats for fairness to logis that we may need are average healing per game, successful revives/failed revives ratio (a revive that results in the revived player remaining alive for at least 30 seconds, divided by the amount of times they pick someone up in front of the firing squad). An average good revive (GR) bad revive (BR) spread per game (GRBR spread) would be useful as well.

Perhaps even average team spawns accrued per game. Of course, the more important stats should come first. More stats are nice, but having more than the essentials could also put too much strain on the system, causing more game crashes, memory leaks, etc.

No, KDR is important. We need it to judge how good players are... People keep going on and on and on about how "it's about WP"... but actually, it is about kills.

The game is roughly 40% about gear and 60% about skill. Evidence of this is the fact that people get killed by militia equipment very often. Gear makes no huge difference, if you have the upper position and are good at aiming - you win... Gear plays an almost negligible factor.

You have a horrible KDR because you're bad at the game, not because you had bad gear. There is a tiny difference between militia weapon damage and meta 3 gear. This game is about strategy and not who has the best stuff. I can easily down a full proto person with a regular scrambler rifle because of my aiming and skill with the gun alone.

Death does bring a penalty - your team gets one step closer to losing, and you have to pay to replace your gear. And it does have an effect on income if you use advanced gear. There is no reason to be at militia gear by 20,000 WP.

It seems to me that you're hiding behind milita gear because you think it justifies you being bad at the game. My income isn't affected with meta 3 equipment, hop up to it and see how you actually do - and then you will genuinely realise that you're bad at the game, and it isn't the gear.

I hate it when people say that they aren't bad because they use low meta gear. This game is not about gear to a significant extent, it is about skill.

Why is KDR important? Every single game mode can be won by draining the enemy team of clones. Plus it greatly dampens your effect to the enemy team. Don't ever say that KDR doesn't matter... it really does.

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Not one word in that convinced me any more that it is about you just being bad. I earn 200k per match with using full meta 3 and dying about 3-5 times on average. That subsidises me perfectly, so just hop out of militia and face the fact that you're probably just unskilled, and you are afraid to admit it, so you stick with militia gear...

As for the 40%/60% estimation, it was based on the fact that I die a 4:6 ratio of high level gear to militia level gear. So meta 3-4 gear only kills me 1.5x the amount of times militia does...

You're very lucky I even replied to that with the level of criticism of me and not my argument, so next time reconsider whether you want me to take anything you post seriously or not.