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darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
165
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:25:00 -
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I just looked at the states and thankfully there a nice buff , especially for shield tankers
but they took out a lot of nice things like the CPU skill and the logi and adv DS
enything iv missed? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2562
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:13:00 -
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Tanks did not get a buff, if you ask a veteran tanker they will tell you CCP has jacked tanks to hell, if you ask a newbie like me, I'md dubious but curious.
Dropships are gone, no buff for them either.
LAV just plain suck. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1114
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:22:00 -
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As a vet tanker I thinkni can comment on the changes. The prooosed changes are both a buff and a nerf to the current hav system. They have only released the stats for std vehicles . Yes on the surface they appear to have nefish qualities but they also havent released the stats for the av changes to go allong with the vehicle changes. I welcom such asoects as high powerd shieldboosters and fast shield regen but aso im afraid of the rridiculously low hp celing of shields. I welcome most of tgese changes but they certainly are not strait up buffs nor are they strait uo nerfs but a change in directon for vehicles entirely. I also look forward to proto vehicles of all races now. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1567
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:23:00 -
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Apparently tanks are useless now, i guess that is why recently i always see at least a couple of tanks in every battle.
Anyone have seen Swarm Launchers recently ? Do still are in the game ? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2563
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:24:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Apparently tanks are useless now, i guess that is why recently i always see at least a couple of tanks in every battle.
Anyone have seen Swarm Launchers recently ? Do still are in the game ?
Dude you know you are being argumentative don't you? I mean we haven't even had the change yet. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1567
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Apparently tanks are useless now, i guess that is why recently i always see at least a couple of tanks in every battle.
Anyone have seen Swarm Launchers recently ? Do still are in the game ? Dude you know you are being argumentative don't you? I mean we haven't even had the change yet.
But we did.... everything including tanks got an armor resistance buff, and Swarm Launchers got their ammo reduce to the 3 per clip. .... what.... you thought i forgot about that ? |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2232
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:30:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Apparently tanks are useless now, i guess that is why recently i always see at least a couple of tanks in every battle.
Anyone have seen Swarm Launchers recently ? Do still are in the game ?
Yes, I use my SL starter fit to kill tanks on the occasions I see one in match. it's not that hard and it's completely free so it doesn't matter if it takes me several spawns to finish the job. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:True Adamance wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Apparently tanks are useless now, i guess that is why recently i always see at least a couple of tanks in every battle.
Anyone have seen Swarm Launchers recently ? Do still are in the game ? Dude you know you are being argumentative don't you? I mean we haven't even had the change yet. But we did.... everything including tanks got an armor resistance buff, and Swarm Launchers got their ammo reduce to the 3 per clip. .... what.... you thought i forgot about that ?
Tanks still are relatively worse off. Admittedly if tanking were as viable as running around on foot which it is not, then I would have no issue with AV, fact is they aren't, AV is insanely potent, yup a hard counter, though I figured swarms should be more AA, forges AT, and AV Grenades are just something that makes not sense in the EVE universe and should have died a long time ago.
But yes.... I did think you had forgotten about that.... |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
167
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:32:00 -
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They ruined Shield tanking now even the damage aplifiers are high slots |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6716
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Tanks did not get a buff, if you ask a veteran tanker they will tell you CCP has jacked tanks to hell, if you ask a newbie like me, I'md dubious but curious.
Dropships are gone, no buff for them either.
LAV just plain suck.
Lies and slander good sir!!
Standard dropships remain, and they got an AWESOME buff. I will dig for my post on the matter. Assault dropships however are gone, which is a painful loss if that decision holds.
DUST Fiend wrote:New Grimsnes / Old Grimsnes
PG 940 / 545
CPU 450 / 165
Shield 800 / 700
Armor 2100 / 1700
New Myron / Old Myron
PG 725 / 400
CPU 665 / 255
Shield 1375 / 1075
Armor 850 / 770
Dropships are going to be really good, no doubt about it, though limited ammo is going to be weird, and it really sucks for Assault dropship pilots. Us logi pilots are used to having totally useless ships anyways, so turning a Grimsnes into a Prometheus is pretty damn simple. Not so for ADS pilots. Which sucks too, because my favorite dog fights are always against Assault dropships, when my gunners aren't special, anyways. |
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
587
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:34:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:I just looked at the states and thankfully there a nice buff , especially for shield tankers
but they took out a lot of nice things like the CPU skill and the logi and adv DS
enything iv missed?
Yes, my Gunnlogi is going to lose 1000 HP (currently 4960 shields, post-update [2650 basic + 1325 proto extender] 3975 shields) and my 40% passive resistance (which will become active and will just last 24 seconds).
Yes, a damn GREAT buff for Shield tanks, such a great buff I won't tank anymore if these are the final stats.
(I'm curious, where did you see a buff?) |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1567
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:39:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:darkiller240 wrote:I just looked at the states and thankfully there a nice buff , especially for shield tankers
but they took out a lot of nice things like the CPU skill and the logi and adv DS
enything iv missed? Yes, my Gunnlogi is going to lose 1000 HP (currently 4960 shields, post-update [2650 basic + 1325 proto extender] 3975 shields) and my 40% passive resistance (which will become active and will just last 24 seconds). Yes, a damn GREAT buff for Shield tanks, such a great buff I won't tank anymore if these are the final stats. (I'm curious, where did you see a buff?)
1.4 patch notes .... look for them yourself, they are in this section of the forums ....
Edit; Well, looks like CCP have removed them already..... what a surprise....  |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tanks did not get a buff, if you ask a veteran tanker they will tell you CCP has jacked tanks to hell, if you ask a newbie like me, I'md dubious but curious.
Dropships are gone, no buff for them either.
LAV just plain suck. Lies and slander good sir!! Standard dropships remain, and they got an AWESOME buff. I will dig for my post on the matter. Assault dropships however are gone, which is a painful loss if that decision holds. DUST Fiend wrote:New Grimsnes / Old Grimsnes
PG 940 / 545
CPU 450 / 165
Shield 800 / 700
Armor 2100 / 1700
New Myron / Old Myron
PG 725 / 400
CPU 665 / 255
Shield 1375 / 1075
Armor 850 / 770
Dropships are going to be really good, no doubt about it, though limited ammo is going to be weird, and it really sucks for Assault dropship pilots. Us logi pilots are used to having totally useless ships anyways, so turning a Grimsnes into a Prometheus is pretty damn simple. Not so for ADS pilots. Which sucks too, because my favorite dog fights are always against Assault dropships, when my gunners aren't special, anyways.
I was under the impression that ADS and Logi dropships were being removed. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
745
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:58:00 -
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Not seen the mods yet to see if the mod slot nerf tanks are getting are worth it, however it does pave the way for ADV and Proto tanks. Since at the moment there is little space to improve on the current tanks. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2020
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:41:00 -
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I would think with the removal of different grades of vehicle modules and injection of simple basic to complex mods, we are operating on a more tiered foundation than ever before, implying that proto tanks are on their way.
I would think we can all turn down our rage just a bit on the numbers tho guys...they certainly are not final, or shouldn't be, and I don't think in the current vehicle climate that Wolfman would actually put a shield tank out there with less than 3k health when we have forges doing that much in one shot already. The real deal breaker for the patch lies in the numbers we will se for AV weapons, which we don't have yet.
I am saddened by the loss of many modules and numbers, but on the other hand many modules have been buffed by having durations and cooldowns adjusted, which is awesome, and I'm seriously going to **** myself if the large missile launchers work the way i think they will after the patch.
Also, one thing i noticed is the proto aurum small missile turret having a greater optimum range than the isk proto small missile variant.
aurum proto optimum/effective range
250/250
isk proto optimum/effective range
200/250 |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1380
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:43:00 -
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It all depends on what they do with AV ... which is currently an unknown variable that a lot of people are pessimistic about. People don't like unknowns  |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2020
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:51:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:It all depends on what they do with AV ... which is currently an unknown variable that a lot of people are pessimistic about. People don't like unknowns
You are right, but I also believe a lot of angst currently comes from the recent swarm buff, the fact that they have been testing these things on their dev tech which probably already has these different numbers ingame, so they are balancing based off numbers we dont know about yet but they do and feel when they "got it" we will only have the current AV to refer to and we will just go "the ****?"
im rambling, but yeah, you're right and people are hesitant due to recent patches beating a dead horse even with community outlash.
No one likes having to trust someone they feel can't be trusted.
I believe in CCP tho, im just worried about the playerbase. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1613
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:21:00 -
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honestly, I don't ******* care anymore, I lost any idea that CCP knows what they are doing with this game a month ago, this will just make me quit all together or make me wait for 5 years for the jets. |
Vulpes Dolosus
Neanderthal Nation
Public Disorder.
91
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:34:00 -
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I'm just going to point out that we are only looking at the standard vehicles. Yes, it really sucks we don't have variants of vehicles, which I think was a bad move, but we have to remember that there must be more to come out later. More variants will be coming back (LLAV,SLA,ADS,LDS), and hopefully we'll see more tank variants return.
This also opens the door to adv and proto tanks. We'll just have to wait and see, I mean, it's still more than two months away. |
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