This ranks as a Quality of Life issue that needs to be fixed yesterday. Nguruthos makes me jump out of his DS into swarms of reds to be productive because of this bug.

Those reds tend to be angry.

Since 1.6 now may only contain some "Quality of life" changes for current vehicles,and the revamp got pushed back to 1.7 or later. (didn't this start as 1.4?) Can we please try to get CCP to say something about this bug that's been around since UPRISING?


The turret-gunner bug where DS turrets cannot aim to the lower front half of the ship (Where you'd generally want them aiming near your targets). Worse on gallente, still happens on shield dropships.

This bug makes it so your turret gets ripped out of your hand and reset to the side of the ship, facing parallel to nose any time you aim within a certain large area WHICH used to be accessible for aiming with turrets.

This breaks the gunner.



I've been posting this bug in bug-report since uprising and nobody has commented on it. Figgured it'd get looked at in the vehicle re-work but now that this has lasted since uprising through 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, then past the hopefully vehicle re-work of 1.4, 1.5, 1.6
and is still unlikely to be in the vehicle patch aimed for 1.7 which lets be honest, nobody even expects to happen at this point.

Can we make some sort of an effort to get this addressed independently of the whole vehicle patch because if we assume it will be fixed in that, we could well be waiting for over a year to find out it wasn't.

TL;DR

rage, rage, rage, Help me get CCP to mark drop-ship turret bug in their bloody bug report logs.

HI Nguruthos w/ wolf-food gunner...

I am a pilot (though not a great one yet), and I have noticed what you describe when I'm on gunner practice in someone's Gallente or Caldari DS.

Trouble is, the devs MAY NOT be thinking of this as a glitch, but as a "design accommodation". My Gallente DS has a "chin" shaped like Popeye's jaw. So everytime I train the gunsights to the point where it would run into the chin, instead of letting me drop rounds on the skin of my own vehicle, the game "bounces" me to neutral-front (way off from my target).
(I vaguely recall the same thing happening on a Viper, but the Caldari housing is shaped less dramatically in the front, so the event is not as frequent---but still occurs.)

I think this is how the designers CHOSE to accommodate the shape of the vehicle and solve the "fire into my own ship" event. It's definitely not a well-liked solution, but I think it's deliberate, no glitch.

Killar-12 is VERY correct.
My pilot and I have absorbed the problem by agreeing that I (the gunner) should not spend time trying to shoot under the DS---just tell him to shift off to let me get a bead on that red dot below us. It was his idea, and it works.


Even so, if you can suggest a smoother, more realistic graphic solution, I hope they consider your idea. Would be fun.

It is a Botched fix

Yep.

As for your title, I didn't fly since 1.2 if I remember correctly.
But I have been saying this should be fixed for a really long time now.

tbh a good pilot should keep his gunners parallel to the target, like me and judge

Out of frustration I'm inclined to bump this thread every 6 hours till it's acknowledged.
Please don't some fan boy come in here telling me I need to learn to be patient.
This is a bug that we reported back in Uprising.

UPRISING. And it eviscerates an entire role in the game. I've lost 99% of my DS gunners because they can't put up with this frustration. Most couldn't take it more than 2 minutes on the first day.
Not to mention how this does nothing to help dropships in their balance state, resulting in further reduced effectiveness of the DS.

Now if you're going to come in here telling me CCP is working hard and we need to be patient, just how far does your definition of patience extend?

6 months for a bug fix?
a year?
2 years?

It becomes ridiculous at some point, and at another point people are inclined not to play a game having so many issues.
I think I've afforded any dev team more than enough time to reply to game wrecking quality of life bug. How long ago was uprising?

tbh a good pilot should keep his gunners parallel to the target, like me and judge

That would mean your nose would be pointed to the enemy and both guns pointed forward which they can't
And NG is a great pilot, so are you, but the guns should be able to operate where they need to.

I agree, and no it could not be related to the shoot the DS thing because that can still happen anyways. Back in chromosome I frequently used my side gunners as forward nose guns. I would point my nose towards the enemy and have my blasters go to town. We didn't have much issues with it then. However somewhere along the line this glitch came to be, Uprising most likely, and honestly it's pretty annoying not being able to use the most valuable area of your turrets. It's easier to hit things when you are pointed the direction you are headed. It's much harder to hit things at a perpendicular angle while going very fast. It's annoying and has been plaguing the Condors for a while now. It's as if the side turrets shouldn't be used at all...

Yep.

As for your title, I didn't fly since 1.2 if I remember correctly.
But I have been saying this should be fixed for a really long time now.

tbh a good pilot should keep his gunners parallel to the target, like me and judge

I don't know where is the problem to just buff the existing DS, raise the values and try, if they are too strong lower the values, do this till they are fine.

I'm just getting into DS (a little over a week now) and I've already become frustrated enough with the "ship boobs" that I don't see a point in buying better side turrets for an ADS. If you have a good pilot, and I've gunned for NG and seen some of the crazy things he can do with a ship, he can with enough effort line up a good shot for everyone. This isn't usually doable unless it's a stationary target or a bottle-neck. On a side note, if you're intending to use your door gunners facing perpendicular to the ship, wouldn't it be better to use a LDS since it has more base shield and armor and you'd have to stay on station longer for one lone side turret to do enough damage. It seems to me the only way an ADS makes sense is if you can train all guns on the same target.

I like piloting a lot. For some reason i'm really good at dodging, maybe because i'm such an erratic pilot