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Real life < Lore < balance.

Its cool that real life is less important than lore, nothing wrong with that we can deal, but its not cool that Lore is screwing up the balance of the game. Why are you cool with an unbalanced game? If you want lore to be in control of everything go play D&D

lol you obviously dont forge, i have respect for you dispite your insults. Their elivated on places you can not shoot them. Some times there is no cover to hang around in instead. your so offfended x) i hurt your feelings?

Stop being lazy! HTFU!

your argument is again flawed. He has a forge gun on top of a tower, if the person with the forge is any intelligent he will destroy your dropship every time you try. There is also no "out of the way" when hes on a tower, he sees the entire map? Including the objectives, it ruins games! Never mind what it is designed for, its not balanced. Its too effective at well, everything. It can be as effective as it needs to be for AV, its true purpose, but its doing everything. Thats not cool, Jaraiya. Its not really a nerf, it can still kill infantry with some effort (btw, most of my FG freinds say their kills on infaintry are mostly direct hits) and wont change its ability to kill instilations and vehicals. I promise itd be okay without splash!! The only thing that will change is you needing more effort to forge snipe infaintry and you can no longer camp the objective panel. Those are positive improvements and will do alot to balance the weapon. You can not say it is balanced with everything it does. Its more all purpose than an AR is now

No its perfectly fine that his rail (AV) direct hitted and OHKed you and its perfectly reasonable that a forge gun (AV) can direct hit and OHK someone else. Their AV, they SHOULD be OHKing ppl at range. Its great that you, personally, master jaryaiya does not sit above objectives/towers and camp but nearly all forge gunners do, unlike you they are pussys and exploiters it does not matter what you do. The splash allows an Anti tank weapon to be tactical, and yes i say in confidence it is as tactically sound as an AR because its splash allows it to do everything, change the outcomes of entire battles and planets because solo it can hold down 16 people from hacking an objective. Its not balanced!!! You said it yourself, its for anti infaintry, instilations and vehicals, loosing splash does not change its ability to do any of that! All forge gunners mostly get direct hits, its cool. Loosing splash just makes it so you cant camp objectives and need to be more accurate. Its srly not that big of a deal, it balances out the weapon

it happens in PC all the time were tactics are at its finest, the forge gunner is protected by the rest of team. All PC teams uses this unanimiously, protecting him allows him to single handedly defend and objective with no freindlys on the objective. Balanced? Your argument is again flawed and would be correct if it was 16 v 1 (the forge gunner) but its not. You cant always get to him, other times hes too far up so you can only get to him by dropship (he has a forge gun) so unless you are a sniper you simply cant hack the objective. You loose. One person wins. Dude. Your loosing this, just admit forge guns dont need the splash. Forge guns can keep their nearing 3k damage (breach does more), their 1.9 second charge times and annihilating all our vehicals and one shotting our dropsuits with 100% accuracy, but having splash to camp our objectives is too much. That is more than a fair compromise, its reasonable. BTW domination only has one objective ;) there they really DO control the entire battle single handedly

i got it... forge rounds are to fast. slow them down slower then plasma cannon and i bet it'll fix some problems

wasn't a troll post....
your i win button is going down one way or another.

spoken like a true ultra marien

ive never called it perfect, one of your fellow forge gunners has. And your not giving reasons why it SHOULD keep its splash, your argument is telling me to HTFU and deal with it. So, why should it keep its splashed? Its an AV weapon. it does not need splash to blow up vehicals. All it does is camp objective and ruin the game

Sorry i dident read the Codex Astarties so i have no respec for nonfactors :). Im sure it talks about forge gunning in there somewere. prolly spells it wrong too

that was possibly the worst troll ive ever seen.... i dont even want to read your next comment x) players use it for camping because it has a splash. you would know

WHOLLY HELL 11 deaths?? lol damn you really do need that splash on the forge, damn yo your right i wont argue with your claims on this thread anymore, ill mail you another crutch. oh and hey... *smirk* If you ever take Rampage seriously you have promblems hes the biggest joker in AE. Wouldve been seconded if you joined, this thread with proof! Btw, join our public chat wel do some FW q sync with me in it. Hopefully rampage is on at the time so he can re exteend the offer again

ugh now do i have to put im my past reply? Why would you even bring this back up it would just make a never ending loop of incompetence once again stemping from the ultramarines from 40k all the way to my thread

lol i tried. Tried to get him to admit it doesent need the splash to do its job, he actually admits that it doesent need it to kill infaintry or tanks, but he doesent admit that im right.... kinda weird.

i never said you guys were bad, havent played many games with you guys so i dunno. Your obviously not that great with an HMG but hey you could be AE material, i dunno. Rampage does ;) Btw we on for FW to show me or...? and yeah, i really hope you would have beat rampage with a full team of ultramairens, id be concerned if you couldent. even if you guys dont have a first company

you started the personal attacks througout the whoooooleee thread and it started here:

so im kinda deffending myself. if you would be cool and chill in ice like your primarch i would be abit nicer too

if it was a handful of players on towers and a majority on the ground it wouldn't be a promblem. But it is the opposite, most forge gunners cader to safety, no risk high reward up there, the ground forge gunners are the minority. they also are 100% of the time in all PC matches and make PC gay durring battles that matter. I dont see why you are ignoring these facts

that would be better solution, as suggested earlier in the thread. CCP has removed entire mountains from maps before to prevent railsnipers from camping but yet to do anything for forge snipers. If they would do something like this instead of nerfing than it would be great, but if not its really the only way to do it. You would unfortionetly and wrongly effected because of the mainstream f*gs. But yeah i agree, too many nerfs happen and they are usally overnerfs, not that removing splash from an AV is devistating but we should avoid nerfs. Map fixes would be best

and its in every game but its easy in dust. its whateva tho, hopefully CCP will read this timely, cut through the flame and warhammer lore and check out the good points made on both sides. and decide not to ban me again lol

Forge reds all day and own any vehicles that come for you while being relatively impervious to snipers cause triage hives and 1600 hp. Another forger? Locate direction and either own or avoid....

Zzzzzzzz its pathetic. Funkmaster can consistently hit 60-0 in every skirmish match he play where there's a forge snipe tower that can only be reached with a vehicle.. Back to back to back games.

Anyone who has used the forge and to clarify; when I say forge I dont mean the breach or even so much the standard 'charge and hold' variants. I am talking about the assault forges.
Anyone who has spec'd to at least the DAU assault forge knows they are overpowered. Getting up onto a high place just increases there effectiveness.

Like someone else said before - remove the orange / red target indicator for when you are bang on target, make it an actual skill weapon. Also reduce the splash range and or damage. I certainly didn't like this thought to begin with but thinking about it more, it makes sense.

It may be a bit of a heavy handed nerf but as a dedicated forger on one character, I am willing to test this.

I've got a charged SR with 3x Complex damage mods and that doesn't OHK most heavies. I tried that the majority of a match once, sitting on the turtle cover over objective D on Line Harvest and trying to pop the FG sniper on the middle tower of that side. I could scare him away from my side of the tower, but he just walked over to the other side to blap infantry. Every once in a while he would poke his nose over my side to see if I was still there and take a shot at me.

I spent most of the match and merely inconvenienced him. It would have required at least two ground snipers to lock him down..