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Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:31:00 -
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The wording on the scout suit command skill, is very interesting.
Quote: Scout Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to scan profile per level Gallente Scout Bonus: +10% to dropsuit scan radius per level
The second one has been explained to me as being better called, "Gallente Scout SUIT Bonus". So anyone with that skill, and wearning a G.S. suit gets that bonus.
However, the first one has not been explored. It implies to me, that if you have, for example, Gallente Scout level 5, and Minmatar Scout level 1 that if you wear minmatar scout, basic fit, you will still get the 5x5% bonus, since it is after all, "A Scout Suit".
Probably doesnt. But... I think it's worth testing!
Has anyone actually tested this out? Should be pretty easy. One without modules will be invisible to ADV scanners, and the other one will not be. Unless the bonus does actually apply to both, and then they will both be invisible.. ? !
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1372
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:10:00 -
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The trick is to find a way to wear two Scout Suits at the same time. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
208
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:51:00 -
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Galante is fastest but weaker with 3 complex speed mod but 4 is a beast. |
Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:10:00 -
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A basic suit is not a scout suit. It's a light frame suit. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:25:00 -
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Read more carefully. I said basic FIT, not "basic suit". ie: no damp modules.
Besides which, there's no such thing as a "basic suit". Light frame, is light frame, not "basic suit".
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Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:18:00 -
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Oh wait, you're that guy that refuses to stop using starter fits even though you have a Dren BPO, aren't you. How's that working out.
And to test your theory, someone would have to skill all the way into proto scout, one or the other, and then buy three ranks in the light frame racial of the other race, and then buy a level in that racial scout. I really doubt someone is going to waste over half a million of their own SP to test this thing out. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:12:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:Oh wait, you're that guy that refuses to stop using starter fits even though you have a Dren BPO, aren't you.
no, I'm not.
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Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:18:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:I just bought the merc pack. So I have a BPO for caldari assault. My main char is also caldari. So in theory, I get the tiny racial bonuses, if I used it.
However, I'm not seeing much benefit to it over just using the free militia "assault" fits for caldari. Would you good folks educate me please?
So far, i'm looking at stats, and see:
- a TEENIE bit more power - faster shield regen on base (okay thats good) - an extra low slot?
Fringe benefits: I wouldnt be forced to equip something in the "Equipment" slot. But, I'll miss out on all the other freebie stuff the militia suit provides. (yes I'm a cheapskate :) )
Any other comments?
Not a Dren BPO, but yes you are. You using that caldari assault now? |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:24:00 -
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Do you have a problem staying on topic? or is it just that you'd rather attack people personally, than actually discuss technical questions in a civil manner? Either way, go work out your personal issues elsewhere, or I'll report you for forum abuse.
Meanwhile, for the rest of the world: is there anyone out there who for whatever reason, happens to have both scout types unlocked, but has significant differences in their level?
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Vyuru
Bojo's School of the Trades
4
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:17:00 -
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I don't have both scout types unlocked... But I do have the Dragonfly Scout suit and 3 levels in Minmatar Scouts, as well as 5 levels in profile dampening. I'd assume that'd work too.
EDIT:
Another way to check would be with Logi suits. I'm pretty sure their health regen bonus is worded the same way. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2086
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:59:00 -
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Vyuru wrote:I don't have both scout types unlocked... But I do have the Dragonfly Scout suit and 3 levels in Minmatar Scouts, as well as 5 levels in profile dampening. I'd assume that'd work too.
EDIT:
Another way to check would be with Logi suits. I'm pretty sure their health regen bonus is worded the same way. V Man is back! |
Vyuru
Bojo's School of the Trades
7
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:41:00 -
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Indeed, and schooling some people in the use of the shotgun
I'd be curious about this, not quite sure how you'd test it out though, the scanner vs suit + skill level in profile dampening goes over my head a bit. I still think the easiest way would be to use Logi suits since the suit regen is worded the same way as the scout's profile dampening.
If I could make my scout even MORE stealthy, just imagine the possibilities!!! |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
199
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:39:00 -
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Vyuru wrote:
I'd be curious about this, not quite sure how you'd test it out though, the scanner vs suit + skill level in profile dampening goes over my head a bit. I still think the easiest way would be to use Logi suits since the suit regen is worded the same way as the scout's profile dampening.
If I could make my scout even MORE stealthy, just imagine the possibilities!!!
I dont think the dragonfly scout suit counts.
Basically, I see the best of both worlds, as essentially:
Person gets gallente scout to level 5. So, they have ludicrous range when they want it. But they occasionally want a speedier fit for hacking runs. (that isnt blowing proto suits and modules). So they get level 1 minmatar scout (or maybe even level 3) but it still (hopefully) gets the rank 5 "scout suit" bonus from the gallente scout.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1156
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Posted - 2013.10.02 14:06:00 -
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I think the Scout Suit bonus only applies to the Scout suit you are skilled into. I base this on how bonuses work on other suits, and on how ship bonuses work in EVE. If there was a Scout Suit skill that was not race specific, then bonuses based on that skill might be applied to multiple Scout Suit types, but since all the Scout Suit skills are racially specific, I donGÇÖt think they will apply to suits of another race.
I also think, but am not certain, that the Dragonfly suit is a Standard Scout suit, rather than a standard Basic Light Frame suit. So, I think it gets the bonuses. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
202
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Posted - 2013.10.02 15:09:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I think the Scout Suit bonus only applies to the Scout suit you are skilled into. I base this on how bonuses work on other suits, and on how ship bonuses work in EVE. If there was a Scout Suit skill that was not race specific, then bonuses based on that skill might be applied to multiple Scout Suit types, but since all the Scout Suit skills are racially specific, I donGÇÖt think they will apply to suits of another race. .
THe difference here is the wording.
each racial scout suit has two bonuses.
They deliberately worded ONE bonus with racial tags, and one WITHOUT racial tags. That is rather notable.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1397
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:40:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote: And to test your theory, someone would have to skill all the way into proto scout, one or the other, and then buy three ranks in the light frame racial of the other race, and then buy a level in that racial scout.
Quil Evrything wrote: Meanwhile, for the rest of the world: is there anyone out there who for whatever reason, happens to have both scout types unlocked, but has significant differences in their level?
I believe Ozarow has skilled into both racial Scout frames. Can't think of anyone else at the moment. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1397
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:48:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Galante is fastest but weaker with 3 complex speed mod but 4 is a beast.
We've explained in three or four different threads that speed tanking is dead. Yet here we are again. And now you're calling it "beast"? |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1171
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:46:00 -
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If we can verify that the Dragonfly Scout suit gets the scout bonuses, then someone skilled into Minmitar Scout can test QuilGÇÖs hypotheses using a Gallente Dragonfly suit. It does not have a skill requirement.
The Dragonfly suit is based on the Scout G-l suit, so it should get the bonus just as the Scout G-l suit does. |
Ghost Kaisar
Pradox One
402
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:19:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:If we can verify that the Dragonfly Scout suit gets the scout bonuses, then someone skilled into Minmitar Scout can test QuilGÇÖs hypotheses using a Gallente Dragonfly suit. It does not have a skill requirement.
The Dragonfly suit is based on the Scout G-l suit, so it should get the bonus just as the Scout G-l suit does.
I've got a Dragonfly and Minmatar scout lvl 3. What do you need me to do? |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
205
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:37:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If we can verify that the Dragonfly Scout suit gets the scout bonuses, then someone skilled into Minmitar Scout can test QuilGÇÖs hypotheses using a Gallente Dragonfly suit. It does not have a skill requirement.
The Dragonfly suit is based on the Scout G-l suit, so it should get the bonus just as the Scout G-l suit does. I've got a Dragonfly and Minmatar scout lvl 3. What do you need me to do?
you need to start by listing your dampening skill, and gallente skill, so we can figure out what your base 'should' be
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Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
205
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:28:00 -
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nvrmind.
OZAROW and I managed to do some testing before the server died tonight. Crossposted results from the main scout thread:
bad news is: yup, no overlap between gallente and minmatar scout skills. AWWW.
Using a 28dB scanner, I could pick up his gallente with basic dampener. I could not pick up his minmatar with a basic dampener.
He has: gallente scout skill 3 minmatar scout skill 5 dampener skill 4
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
204
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Posted - 2013.10.04 07:09:00 -
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I suspected there would be no bleed over, but thank you both for checking it out. It's nice to know for sure. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1173
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:27:00 -
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+1 for running tests. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
213
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:54:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:The trick is to find a way to wear two Scout Suits at the same time. Scout gk.0
2 speed mods and your a Minmatar scout but less speed
1 shield extender and you can take some damage
2 range amplifiers and your a galante scout |
Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
118
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:50:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:He has: gallente scout skill 3 minmatar scout skill 5
Why would somebody do this?! |
MINA Longstrike
One Shot Killahz
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:34:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:The wording on the scout suit command skill, is very interesting. Quote: Scout Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to scan profile per level Gallente Scout Bonus: +10% to dropsuit scan radius per level
The second one has been explained to me as being better called, "Gallente Scout SUIT Bonus". So anyone with that skill, and wearning a G.S. suit gets that bonus. However, the first one has not been explored. It implies to me, that if you have, for example, Gallente Scout level 5, and Minmatar Scout level 1 that if you wear minmatar scout, basic fit, you will still get the 5x5% bonus, since it is after all, "A Scout Suit". Probably doesnt. But... I think it's worth testing! Has anyone actually tested this out? Should be pretty easy. One without modules will be invisible to ADV scanners, and the other one will not be. Unless the bonus does actually apply to both, and then they will both be invisible.. ? !
It's a formatting error, the bonuses are both only for the gallente scout suit and only while in that suit, So having 2 levels of minmatar scout suit wouldn't do anything towards the gallente scout suit. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1140
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:54:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:Oh wait, you're that guy that refuses to stop using starter fits even though you have a Dren BPO, aren't you. How's that working out.
And to test your theory, someone would have to skill all the way into proto scout, one or the other, and then buy three ranks in the light frame racial of the other race, and then buy a level in that racial scout. I really doubt someone is going to waste over half a million of their own SP to test this thing out. You could someone with Minmatar racial scout, and have him try on a Gallente dragonfly. That would be the easiest.
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