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BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 251	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:11:00 - [1] - Quote I outline how this system could be implemented in a blog I've written. tl;dr - Instead of districts passively generating ISK through clone production, and with PVE a pipe dream on the horizon, PC needs to be expanded to the entirety of lowsec with the income being based on PI activity within a district.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 183	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:43:00 - [2] - Quote This sounds like a good idea, but I know next to nothing about district profit in PC so can't say how acceptable the idea is for DUST corps. Surely it will help with the EVE-DUST link, but I doubt it would be implemented before the player market in DUST and the cross-market between DUST and EVE, since the 2 economies will be meeting somewhat in this proposed idea. EDIT: I haven't read the blog yet, I'm just going off the thread title. And yes, PC needs to be extended.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 251	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:19:00 - [3] - Quote As a small note about the profit: the PI tax income would be entirely based off of the use of a district from the EVE side. So if EVE players love a particular resource your district has, you'll make more ISK and that particular district will be a greater target to other corps. Combine that with the PVE/Resource gathering concept CCP floated at Fanfest earlier this year, and it breaks the "sit back and get fat" system that we have now. Currently everyone can be content with where they are because each type of district makes the same amount of passive ISK no matter the location. Remove the passive ISK making, allow the PI structures (and thus money making facilities) inside of a Corps district to be threatened and the owners will have to step up and offer their support for the EVE player. Edit: back to the profit thing, though, I'd imagine the overall ISK faucet would be reduced pretty heavily, even more so if there is an additional sink added to balance the ISK value between the games, but the Districts shouldn't be dumping ISK into the economy anyway. Especially at the rate they currently are.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1015	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:52:00 - [4] - Quote It could work if all low and nullsec Planets had districts. But at the moment Eve players would rather just move out of Molden Heath. The system isn't very populated to begin with.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 252	Posted - 2013.09.30 21:00:00 - [5] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: It could work if all low and nullsec Planets had districts. But at the moment Eve players would rather just move out of Molden Heath. The system isn't very populated to begin with. Oh, absolutely. After being through many-a-roam through the area, its quite dead aside from 3 major players. And with as many InterBus Customs Offices I saw around a lot of these planets, it appears no one at all cares about this region. That's why I believe PC needs to be opened to all of lowsec. edit: Hell, open up PC to Barren planets as well. We played on that type of terrain type exclusively in beta and still largely do!
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:20:00 - [6] - Quote The harassment part interest me the most. The possibility this well cause.
The Lion ElJonson 1st legion The Dark Angels 42	Posted - 2013.10.01 03:06:00 - [7] - Quote This is an awsome idea. The eve pilots in my Corp agree
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 252	Posted - 2013.10.01 13:13:00 - [8] - Quote Bleeding Knight wrote: The harassment part interest me the most. The possibility this well cause. Hell yea. CCP has been stating, for a while now, that they want to facilitate corps that don't want to own districts but want to make life difficult for those that do; with some profit on the side of course!
DaNizzle4shizle THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES 0	Posted - 2013.10.01 13:23:00 - [9] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: This sounds like a good idea, but I know next to nothing about district profit in PC so can't say how acceptable the idea is for DUST corps. Surely it will help with the EVE-DUST link, but I doubt it would be implemented before the player market in DUST and the cross-market between DUST and EVE, since the 2 economies will be meeting somewhat in this proposed idea. EDIT: I haven't read the blog yet, I'm just going off the thread title. And yes, PC needs to be extended. i wish other contracts could be eve players giving high isk rewards for the winners in a battle that we fight for eve. maybe give normal isk profit to the losers
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 341	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:09:00 - [10] - Quote IDK how many people actually use the molden heath area for PI, it seems to me that this would require quite a bit of expansion to PC to be an even marginally profitable endeavour not to mention that if some Dust player wanted to tax me for PI they would need to provide me with a significant advantage to having them on the surface of that planet (double yield) or risk getting OBed any time they set foot on the planet for a PC and lose a lot of ships to try and provide support from eve.

BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:51:00 - [11] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: IDK how many people actually use the molden heath area for PI, it seems to me that this would require quite a bit of expansion to PC to be an even marginally profitable endeavour not to mention that if some Dust player wanted to tax me for PI they would need to provide me with a significant advantage to having them on the surface of that planet (double yield) or risk getting OBed any time they set foot on the planet for a PC and lose a lot of ships to try and provide support from eve. Yea, I was explaining above that MH is sort of crap for PI currently. I've also been a big proponent of expanding PC to all the rest of non-FW lowsec. The income for the Dust corps should then be taken out of the hands of NPC generated clones that auto-sell and placed into the hands of rich corporations looking to control land, either for their use as a corp or for the exploitation of valuable areas that others are using. In addition, I've been in favor of EVE-side contracts for Dust mercs to accept. This way a corporation with no Dust characters can claim districts by hiring mercenaries to fight in their name. I'm of the opinion that this type of contracting should be public once the contract is accepted, of course, both for corps looking to hire really active mercenaries and for corps on the defense, so they'd get a grasp of what they are in for. Ringers shouldn't be the method of hiring mercenaries at all. If you want help, you should outsource, and if they screw you over, such is EVE.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:54:00 - [12] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: This is an awsome idea. The eve pilots in my Corp agree The EVE pilots in my corp were actually rather upset by the idea of "console kiddies" destroying their PI infrastructure, lol. They really hate this game for some reason...
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 184	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:04:00 - [13] - Quote BursegSardaukar wrote: The Lion ElJonson wrote: This is an awsome idea. The eve pilots in my Corp agree The EVE pilots in my corp were actually rather upset by the idea of "console kiddies" destroying their PI infrastructure, lol. They really hate this game for some reason... I have read threads on the EVE forums with similar feeling towards DUST 514 mercs and Faction Warfare. Lots of capsuleers are openly hostile towards how DUST 514 is effecting their beloved EVE Online, little as it may be.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:13:00 - [14] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: BursegSardaukar wrote: The Lion ElJonson wrote: This is an awsome idea. The eve pilots in my Corp agree The EVE pilots in my corp were actually rather upset by the idea of "console kiddies" destroying their PI infrastructure, lol. They really hate this game for some reason... I have read threads on the EVE forums with similar feeling towards DUST 514 mercs and Faction Warfare. Lots of capsuleers are openly hostile towards how DUST 514 is effecting their beloved EVE Online, little as it may be. Yea, its hypocrisy in it as well, because my EVE dudes constantly want to barrage planets from orbit willy-nilly (which I have an idea of how that should be done as well, lol) but when I bring up the idea of having capitals be boardable by Dust mercs, I almost had to start taking swings at my headset the rage was so strong on comms. When I ask them all if they would be okay with any/all ideas I've floated at them if Dust was on PC, they are completely for it.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.10.01 20:27:00 - [15] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: This sounds like a good idea, but I know next to nothing about district profit in PC so can't say how acceptable the idea is for DUST corps. Surely it will help with the EVE-DUST link, but I doubt it would be implemented before the player market in DUST and the cross-market between DUST and EVE, since the 2 economies will be meeting somewhat in this proposed idea. EDIT: I haven't read the blog yet, I'm just going off the thread title. And yes, PC needs to be extended. i wish other contracts could be eve players giving high isk rewards for the winners in a battle that we fight for eve. maybe give normal isk profit to the losers The way I envision it would be the aggressor player (Player A) would use clones purchased off the public market to initiate the attack on Player B's PI infrastructure. From there Player A could put his attack up on contract, either to his corporation, alliance, to corps with good standing or to the general public. He would attach a price tag to get the job done, and corporations with Dust mercs within them can then "accept" the contract. Now, Player A can choose to reject whomever has accepted his contract if he doesn't like the stats of the interested corp. If Player A never rejects the offer, then the first non-rejected bidder fights the match on behalf of Player A. If they succeed, they are paid the full price of the contract plus any loot drops. If they lose, they should get around 25% of the contract payout, the rest going back to pissed off Player A. On the other side, Player B sees his infrastructure under attack. He can follow the same procedure above to make the defense contract open to whomever wants to fight on his behalf. He should also offer some type of reward, unless he's perfectly fine having no one show up to defend his stuff and will thus lose it.
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 182	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:27:00 - [16] - Quote Seems like a good idea. -Dust bunnies actually impact EVE pilots. -EVE pilots get to do more spreadsheet work. -Resource rich planets in EVE will be valuable in DUST and be fought over more. +1
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:51:00 - [17] - Quote This looks a lot like an idea I posted 2 months ago except with pictures and stuff. here
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire 379	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:14:00 - [18] - Quote sounds like a good idea.... if there was any way to get the isk from eve down to dust which there currently is not. and by the time that comes in there will be no need to earn isk that way.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2013.10.02 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: This looks a lot like an idea I posted 2 months ago except with pictures and stuff. here Hell yes, dude. We are absolutely on the same page on this! I also like your bonus concept for PG and CPU increases for friendly PI installations within a district. A large complaint I've received from my EVE guys on why Dust "doesn't matter" is because the bonuses the districts provide are so limiting.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:29:00 - [20] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Seems like a good idea. -Dust bunnies actually impact EVE pilots. And vice-versa, man! This would make the first time EVE players can actually contract Dust bunnies to do their dirty work! medomai grey wrote: -EVE pilots get to do more spreadsheet work. I dunno about that ;). Calling EVE spreadsheets online is along the same lines as my EVE players calling Dust players 13 y/o COD drop outs. medomai grey wrote: -Resource rich planets in EVE will be valuable in DUST and be fought over more. Hell yes. A district will be valuable because of where it is!

zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 182	Posted - 2013.10.02 21:21:00 - [21] - Quote I like the concept of not all planets or districts being equal. Currently we have a dirty communist system. It makes us free market loving Gallente sad. I'm sure it makes the Caldari sad too. Not that I care about dirty Caldari.
DaNizzle4shizle THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES 3	Posted - 2013.10.03 00:29:00 - [22] - Quote every1 listen!. if 1 or 2 corps take all of molden heath, ccp with be forced to bring out new star systems. just keep complaining about only a couple of corps taking all the fun out if districts.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2013.10.03 13:17:00 - [23] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: I like the concept of not all planets or districts being equal. Currently we have a dirty communist system. It makes us free market loving Gallente sad. I'm sure it makes the Caldari sad too. Not that I care about dirty Caldari. In the lore the Caldari are even more free-market than the Gallente b/c their government structure is made up of some sort of board of directors made up of the CEO's of competing mega corporations. Well, recently, Tibus Heth was pretty much a dictator, but he has since dropped of the radar and I think presumed dead. He was racist against Dust mercs, too, on a genocidal level even. But yes, the land should be valuable because of its resources. Thanks for the support!
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2013.10.03 18:25:00 - [24] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: every1 listen!. if 1 or 2 corps take all of molden heath, ccp with be forced to bring out new star systems. just keep complaining about only a couple of corps taking all the fun out if districts. Not sure what your take is, and whether you are sarcastic or not... But I also support a form of maintenance cost for District ownership, so a single entity would be hard pressed to own everything. Especially with the proposed removal of "clones = ISK," it would make district ownership an option that must be more carefully analyzed. Also, if the cost of holding a district outweighs the benefits, abandoned districts would be open for the taking, which is a good thing as well.
DaNizzle4shizle THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES 3	Posted - 2013.10.03 19:57:00 - [25] - Quote BursegSardaukar wrote: DaNizzle4shizle wrote: every1 listen!. if 1 or 2 corps take all of molden heath, ccp with be forced to bring out new star systems. just keep complaining about only a couple of corps taking all the fun out if districts. Not sure what your take is, and whether you are sarcastic or not... But I also support a form of maintenance cost for District ownership, so a single entity would be hard pressed to own everything. Especially with the proposed removal of "clones = ISK," it would make district ownership an option that must be more carefully analyzed. Also, if the cost of holding a district outweighs the benefits, abandoned districts would be open for the taking, which is a good thing as well. i was serious. when is ccp allowing more star systems? there will be really no connection between eve and dust until we can take eve districts.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 257	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:19:00 - [26] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: BursegSardaukar wrote: DaNizzle4shizle wrote: every1 listen!. if 1 or 2 corps take all of molden heath, ccp with be forced to bring out new star systems. just keep complaining about only a couple of corps taking all the fun out if districts. Not sure what your take is, and whether you are sarcastic or not... But I also support a form of maintenance cost for District ownership, so a single entity would be hard pressed to own everything. Especially with the proposed removal of "clones = ISK," it would make district ownership an option that must be more carefully analyzed. Also, if the cost of holding a district outweighs the benefits, abandoned districts would be open for the taking, which is a good thing as well. i was serious. when is ccp allowing more star systems? there will be really no connection between eve and dust until we can take eve districts. I have no idea, but hope for the day we can take every planet. Technically EVE players don't own Districts, unless they have Dust members in their corporations, but even then there is 0 visibility of this to the EVE players until the District is attacked and they get a notification. The PI installations can be placed wherever a player wants on the surface of the planet, regardless of what Dust players are doing. Visibility is a big part of making the games feel connected. Currently Dust players are only in the local chat of wherever their Merc Quarters are, this needs to be changed. There is no way for EVE players to see District ownership on the surface of planets, even when they are IN PLANET VIEW MODE. So many things need to be added on the EVE end to improve the importance of Dust.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 260	Posted - 2013.10.15 19:07:00 - [27] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: sounds like a good idea.... if there was any way to get the isk from eve down to dust which there currently is not. and by the time that comes in there will be no need to earn isk that way. My dream is that the primary means to making ISK as a corporation would be through interaction with EVE. Either by taking contracts to claim districts on behalf of them, or by taxing their structures. I am really crossing my fingers that any type of information with the EVE/Dust link will be revealed this coming weekend at EVE Vegas...
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 390	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:45:00 - [28] - Quote BursegSardaukar wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: sounds like a good idea.... if there was any way to get the isk from eve down to dust which there currently is not. and by the time that comes in there will be no need to earn isk that way. My dream is that the primary means to making ISK as a corporation would be through interaction with EVE. Either by taking contracts to claim districts on behalf of them, or by taxing their structures. I am really crossing my fingers that any type of information with the EVE/Dust link will be revealed this coming weekend at EVE Vegas... The sooner the better, I would like to have a reason for this FPS to exist in New Eden.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 269	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:58:00 - [29] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: BursegSardaukar wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: sounds like a good idea.... if there was any way to get the isk from eve down to dust which there currently is not. and by the time that comes in there will be no need to earn isk that way. My dream is that the primary means to making ISK as a corporation would be through interaction with EVE. Either by taking contracts to claim districts on behalf of them, or by taxing their structures. I am really crossing my fingers that any type of information with the EVE/Dust link will be revealed this coming weekend at EVE Vegas... The sooner the better, I would like to have a reason for this FPS to exist in New Eden. We also need additional ways of making ISK than just NPC Public contracts. One method suggested in another thread was through a Market for items which I feel would be beneficial to all, as well as a PVE type activity of some sort. Roaming on districts would be ideal for this and make having one more useful than our current system of once a day being able to go check it out while battling for ownership of the district. Yea, the player-run market is pretty important. It appears to not be too far away, but there also seems to be iteration on FW coming MUCH sooner than any movement towards a player market or PC iteration. The upcoming changes to PC battles utilizing an EVE-piloted war barge looks promising, but it doesn't seem to touch on Planetary Interaction at all and, in fact, mentions new materials being the driving force...


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