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meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:27:00 - [1] - Quote This is mostly directed to CCP employees but if someone from the community have heard some things or like to contribute to this topic, please fell welcome as always . I have a general question about the delayed content from 1.5 to patch 1.6. You decided to move the vehicle and weapon content probably till the next patch. Now that you have a little more time, can we now expect to see our vehicles lockable? Like Public, Squad, Private? Can we assume to see the stuff from 1.5 AND newer stuff (one part of the original 1.6) in 1.6? Or are you planning to give us mostly the things you moved from originally 1.5 to 1.6? How big if the amount of work you need to balance the original vehicle and weapon content of 1.5? I know it is hard to measure but IGÇÖm just trying to understand the whole range. The reason IGÇÖm asking all this is very simple: The November patch is probably going to be the last (and sadly the very most exiting) for me. PS: Two friends of me are buying a PS4 without owning a PS3, they are asking about Dust. IGÇÖm just leaving this here ...
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2338	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:46:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed the November patch is going to be a very crucial one for Dust, as it will be the last chance CCP has to update Dust before the PS4 launches. It's going to need a lot of content and features we've been asking for for a very long time, such as vehicle lock. If they add these new weapons and vehicle changes in addition to part or all of the remaining racial dropsuits and vehicles along with appropriate respecs so players can invest in what they originally wanted to, then you may breathe enough new life into Dust that just might keep some of the new PS4 owners coming back from time to time.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1288	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:50:00 - [3] - Quote Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:51:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Agreed the November patch is going to be a very crucial one for Dust, as it will be the last chance CCP has to update Dust before the PS4 launches. It's going to need a lot of content and features we've been asking for for a very long time, such as vehicle lock. If they add these new weapons and vehicle changes in addition to part or all of the remaining racial dropsuits and vehicles along with appropriate respecs so players can invest in what they originally wanted to, then you may breathe enough new life into Dust that just might keep some of the new PS4 owners coming back from time to time. Ladies and Gentleman, this man have still a dream. +1
steadyhand amarr Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1428	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:51:00 - [5] - Quote Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol can't ... resist ... the ... urge! I even pre ordered a version of BF4
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9110	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:59:00 - [7] - Quote I'm just upset next gen can't do watchdogs at 60 fps...
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1290	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:00:00 - [8] - Quote meri jin wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol can't ... resist ... the ... urge! I even pre ordered a version of BF4
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2416	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:02:00 - [9] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Sure realism is... well realistic but we can only hope that CCP takes this chance to bring to the table what they say they are capable of, at this point we are sitting on the EVE of next gen games and consoles, players will move towards them, slowly but surely. Fully realised games will keep the crowds, Dust 514 may not be able to drawn the players back without some significant advancements into EVE/Dust Connection, core content releases, fleshed out and fully realised modes of gameplay.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1307	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:02:00 - [10] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol Fact: Smart people know that buying first generation consoles are more prone to failure than second and third gen...

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:03:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just upset next gen can't do watchdogs at 60 fps... I'm upset about this: http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/29/battlefield-4-dice-aims-for-equal-performance-on-both-next-gen-consoles-report/ look @ 25.
Kaltos Darksbane KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder. 34	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:08:00 - [12] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol So much truth in this. I've never had a good experience buying first gen anything.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:10:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol Fact: Smart people know that buying first generation consoles are more prone to failure than second and third gen... Fact: if some one says fact, it is not always a fact.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1307	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:11:00 - [14] - Quote meri jin wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just upset next gen can't do watchdogs at 60 fps... I'm upset about this: http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/29/battlefield-4-dice-aims-for-equal-performance-on-both-next-gen-consoles-report/ look @ 25. Fact: Journalists are the reason to blame for all the fanboyism ever since they pitted Sega Genesis's version of Mortal Kombat against SNES's version.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1307	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:12:00 - [15] - Quote meri jin wrote: Michael Arck wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol Fact: Smart people know that buying first generation consoles are more prone to failure than second and third gen... Fact: if some one says fact, it is not always a fact. Fact: The fact mentioned is actual fact. How are you able to refute it? You can't. Fact.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:16:00 - [16] - Quote My very first console that still works: SNES, N64, Playstaion One ,Playstaion 2, Playstaion 3, Wii, WiiU, PSP, Nintendo DS light. How to keep your console running? By not buying Microsoft product i guess?
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1290	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:18:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: meri jin wrote: Michael Arck wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol Fact: Smart people know that buying first generation consoles are more prone to failure than second and third gen... Fact: if some one says fact, it is not always a fact. Fact: The fact mentioned is actual fact. How are you able to refute it? You can't. Fact. ... i dont really think its fact... there are examples of consols coming out without a hitch... Im just not in any rush... theres no games really screaming at me to play on the next gens... yet
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1307	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:20:00 - [18] - Quote PS3 had several problems as well, namely the thermal paste as well as fan problems. If you're buying the PS4 on launch- I'm not trying to get on you. I just know that buying first gen console is not always a good idea. The kinks get worked out after the first gen because essentially the first gen buyers are the end testers. They optimize the console afterwards. From Nintendo and up, every first gen console had its share of problems. The PSX was known to start carpet fires it ran so hot Again, wasn't trying to get on you, just passing on some good info to keep in mind.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1307	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:21:00 - [19] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Michael Arck wrote: meri jin wrote: Michael Arck wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Your going to buy a PS4 off the bat? Dude at least give them a month to iron out the bugs that will happen. Personally im giving it 6 months. Im not having a red ring like issue again lol Fact: Smart people know that buying first generation consoles are more prone to failure than second and third gen... Fact: if some one says fact, it is not always a fact. Fact: The fact mentioned is actual fact. How are you able to refute it? You can't. Fact. ... i dont really think its fact... there are examples of consols coming out without a hitch... Im just not in any rush... theres no games really screaming at me to play on the next gens... yet ok, you didn't refute it though...so fact remains fact...
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2343	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:21:00 - [20] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Can't you let a man dream?

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:24:00 - [21] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Can't you let a man dream? Yes, we can! I'm dreaming as well here. It's not that I like to leave Dust for ever, I will pick it up as soon as it hits the PS3, or we see some new motivations to boot Dust back up. I will use my PS3 for a very few games, DarSouls2 and others I don't know jet.
steadyhand amarr Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1429	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:29:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Can't you let a man dream? No Dreams lead to hype...hype leads to fanboys...fanboys lead to bitter vets....bitter vets leads to awful trolling. :-(
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1291	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:32:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ok, you didn't refute it though...so fact remains fact... Ok i refute your fact through the example of consols coming out with little to no faults. Major or minor.
Mathew LaBorde The Generals EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:33:00 - [24] - Quote i been playing ffxiv since it came out and just bout stopped playing this game all together i still come bck from time to time though. everyones playing gta v and now the ps4 is coming out!! oh goodness..
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2344	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:54:00 - [25] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Can't you let a man dream? No Dreams lead to hype...hype leads to fanboys...fanboys lead to bitter vets....bitter vets leads to awful trolling. :-( Then there is no escape.
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 237	Posted - 2013.09.30 10:24:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just upset next gen can't do watchdogs at 60 fps... Doesn't really seem worth it does it?!
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.09.30 10:36:00 - [27] - Quote I would like to see a replay from CCP about the patch questions.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 301	Posted - 2013.09.30 11:36:00 - [28] - Quote a vehicle lock for me is priority 1 transportation wp is useless otherwise ccp you should share what you are doing be nice to the vehicle community
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.09.30 12:05:00 - [29] - Quote we never heard anything about the original 1.6 content right?
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1499	Posted - 2013.09.30 12:30:00 - [30] - Quote this is why i think there will be a dust expansion in november just like EVE dust probably has a summer/winter expansion :p

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:42:00 - [31] - Quote nope. don't think so.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1002	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:00:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Aero that's a big ask I agree November is a big date but let's keep it realistic Sure realism is... well realistic but we can only hope that CCP takes this chance to bring to the table what they say they are capable of, at this point we are sitting on the EVE of next gen games and consoles, players will move towards them, slowly but surely. Fully realised games will keep the crowds, Dust 514 may not be able to drawn the players back without some significant advancements into EVE/Dust Connection, core content releases, fleshed out and fully realised modes of gameplay. Agreed 1.6 will be crucial. This is something the CPM and CCP should start actively soliciting input for ASAP. Players need to know when, where and how to provide topical feedback to CCP/CPM - there are multiple channels and it serves noone if we're all contributing in unconnected venues. And, as much as it is awful troll-bait, the conversation should be public. Until otherwise informed, General Discussion on these forums will be my sole means of communication regarding 1.6. I want to know where the CPM Charter is at, CCP, and i want to know if CPM0 is a stakeholder for 1.6. If they are, there should be clear communication of the input process for players->CPM->CCP->1.6 final content, with a clear statement of the widow players have for input on what makes it into 1.6. 1.6 is critical, and it's not an opportunity to be lost to poor communication.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2356	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:05:00 - [33] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: this is why i think there will be a dust expansion in november just like EVE dust probably has a summer/winter expansion :p Too bad we've heard the devs refer to the update, "Uprising 1.8" which would be in January. Unless they are playing us, and Uprising 1.6 is really [New Expansion] 1.0, and Uprising 1.8 is really [New Expansion 1.2]. I wouldn't hold my breath.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:08:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: this is why i think there will be a dust expansion in november just like EVE dust probably has a summer/winter expansion :p Too bad we've heard the devs refer to the update, "Uprising 1.8" which would be in January. Unless they are playing us, and Uprising 1.6 is really [New Expansion] 1.0, and Uprising 1.8 is really [New Expansion 1.2]. I wouldn't hold my breath. Yeah I don't see them giving us more then the delayed stuff in november. But I would like to see some new and unexpected stuff.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 378	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:46:00 - [35] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just upset next gen can't do watchdogs at 60 fps... Doesn't really seem worth it does it?! Worrying about a game like WD not being 60 but you guys play Dust Internet Gamesites and Forums like GAF have ruined the entertainment for so many before they even try it. Critics and wannabees need a peanut gallery I guess.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.09.30 17:05:00 - [36] - Quote We were never getting vehicle locks in 1.5 anyway. CCP Logibro wrote: They were never scheduled for 1.5, but they're still on our to do list. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1312316#post1312316 Also who says we will see anything vehicle wise in 1.6, not Wolfman. In fact he hints that we will not see 1.5 stuff till maybe 1.7 or later. CCP Wolfman wrote: We're still working out the contents of the 1.6 release in light of the changes we had to make to 1.5. We are continuing to work on updates for the weapons/vehicles and we'll let you know when to expect them once our plans are finalized. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1328536#post1328536 But lets all hope he is just trolling.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 78	Posted - 2013.09.30 17:28:00 - [37] - Quote meri jin wrote: This is mostly directed to CCP employees but if someone from the community have heard some things or like to contribute to this topic, please fell welcome as always . I have a general question about the delayed content from 1.5 to patch 1.6. You decided to move the vehicle and weapon content probably till the next patch. Now that you have a little more time, can we now expect to see our vehicles lockable? Like Public, Squad, Private? Can we assume to see the stuff from 1.5 AND newer stuff (one part of the original 1.6) in 1.6? Or are you planning to give us mostly the things you moved from originally 1.5 to 1.6? How big if the amount of work you need to balance the original vehicle and weapon content of 1.5? I know it is hard to measure but IGÇÖm just trying to understand the whole range. The reason IGÇÖm asking all this is very simple: The November patch is probably going to be the last (and sadly the very most exiting) for me. PS: Two friends of me are buying a PS4 without owning a PS3, they are asking about Dust. IGÇÖm just leaving this here ... The patches with BRAND NEW vehicles will be exciting. Rest assured. I know. :)
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 492	Posted - 2013.09.30 18:49:00 - [38] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: We were never getting vehicle locks in 1.5 anyway. CCP Logibro wrote: They were never scheduled for 1.5, but they're still on our to do list. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1312316#post1312316 Also who says we will see anything vehicle wise in 1.6, not Wolfman. In fact he hints that we will not see 1.5 stuff till maybe 1.7 or later. CCP Wolfman wrote: We're still working out the contents of the 1.6 release in light of the changes we had to make to 1.5. We are continuing to work on updates for the weapons/vehicles and we'll let you know when to expect them once our plans are finalized. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1328536#post1328536 But lets all hope he is just trolling. O.M.G. this sounds horrible!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 556	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:21:00 - [39] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ok, you didn't refute it though...so fact remains fact... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof "Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one." It remains opinion. For it to become fact, you have to prove it. If you didn't claim it so boldly (and without support) to be a fact then you'd get much more support for what is otherwise quite a reasonable assertion.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 310	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:26:00 - [40] - Quote if lockable vehicles is to much why not a kick button? a kick button for top gunner and front gunner. a kick button for all passengers in the case of dropships

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9152	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:27:00 - [41] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: We were never getting vehicle locks in 1.5 anyway. CCP Logibro wrote: They were never scheduled for 1.5, but they're still on our to do list. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1312316#post1312316 Also who says we will see anything vehicle wise in 1.6, not Wolfman. In fact he hints that we will not see 1.5 stuff till maybe 1.7 or later. CCP Wolfman wrote: We're still working out the contents of the 1.6 release in light of the changes we had to make to 1.5. We are continuing to work on updates for the weapons/vehicles and we'll let you know when to expect them once our plans are finalized. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1328536#post1328536 But lets all hope he is just trolling. Well considering how far along 1.6 and is almost currently done before testing phases was when they found out 1.5 couldn't handle it, it would make sense to start scheduling it for 1.7 which would probably be the earliest logistical patch to squeeze it in. So with one set of features moving 1.5 vehicle patch turned into 1.5 NPE patch.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 493	Posted - 2013.10.01 04:35:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: We were never getting vehicle locks in 1.5 anyway. CCP Logibro wrote: They were never scheduled for 1.5, but they're still on our to do list. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1312316#post1312316 Also who says we will see anything vehicle wise in 1.6, not Wolfman. In fact he hints that we will not see 1.5 stuff till maybe 1.7 or later. CCP Wolfman wrote: We're still working out the contents of the 1.6 release in light of the changes we had to make to 1.5. We are continuing to work on updates for the weapons/vehicles and we'll let you know when to expect them once our plans are finalized. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1328536#post1328536 But lets all hope he is just trolling. Well considering how far along 1.6 and is almost currently done before testing phases was when they found out 1.5 couldn't handle it, it would make sense to start scheduling it for 1.7 which would probably be the earliest logistical patch to squeeze it in. So with one set of features moving 1.5 vehicle patch turned into 1.5 NPE patch. What is NPE? So IWS I'm sorry if I don't understand you, are you saying that the 1.6 stuff is coming in 1.6 and that the delayed stuff from 1.5 maybe moved to 1.7?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 493	Posted - 2013.10.01 09:19:00 - [43] - Quote IWS you are still there right? :)
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 47	Posted - 2013.10.01 09:42:00 - [44] - Quote meri jin wrote: What is NPE? So IWS I'm sorry if I don't understand you, are you saying that the 1.6 stuff is coming in 1.6 and that the delayed stuff from 1.5 maybe moved to 1.7? NPE is New Player Experience


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