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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote: Hardly. You are unstable, dangerous, and woefully unpredictable. The perfect clone is the obedient and stable clone. 3rd Gens like myself are good, but 4th or 5th Gen are vastly superior. Unpredictable? Yes. Dangerous? Of course. Unstable? No. I am simply enlightened by the grace of God. Pure Heresy....
No matter how many of that idiot there are, he's evidently still a heathen like me. Ergo, not a heretic.
Despite my own beliefs, I have no special rituals to perform before battle. Any such custom has the potential to dull my edge at a critical moment-- if, for example, I'm rushed into combat without time to perform it. If I can, I just take a moment to examine my opposition and focus my attention on the task at hand.
Meditation and ritual have their place, but they are not something I can afford to rely on. |
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Posted - 2013.10.10 04:02:00 -
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Damus Trifarn wrote:Thank you, Adamance. We may not agree on the Amarrian faith, but I am always uplifted in seeing your hope for peace, even if our views of peace are different. it is my sincerest hope that our people would be able to find peace someday. How we will achieve it, I am not sure, but one day I believe the bonds of friendship will be brought to life between our nations.
That may be the greatest gift of my immortality, to have the chance to see our people come together.
Are you sure of that, Mr. Trifarn? As much as I like the Templar Crusader, he would see your people re-enslaved, and eventually mine taken or converted, as well-- to what he understands to be a good end, yes, but we, liking our own cultures and beliefs, might disagree. If he favors peace between the empires, it will be only for so long as that peace furthers that end.
The Templar Crusader's dream of peace is a conqueror's dream of humanity united in service to the Amarrian god, and no worlds left to conquer. |
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:29:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:No we wish to have everyone under one banner living in peace. Slavery is a means to an end not the end.
Personal I think there are other options we can take. Concord being a good example. I think there is a lot we can learn from the other empires and it's people to make everyone stronger :-)
You misunderstand my view just a little, templar. I do not believe that any but the most extremist Amarr actually wish to enslave everybody else. I do, however, believe that you follow your god's directive to reclaim humanity for him. Whether that occurs through a military Reclaiming or not, in the long run the final result will be the uniting of all humanity under a single Empire.
One may conquer through diplomats and missionaries. One of the points of tension between myself and Templar Crusader Ouryon is that the Caldari State will not permit the Amarr faith to spread within our borders-- in fact, we only allow citizens of the Khanid Kingdom to practice at all, and only in private. Missionaries will be rebuffed at the borders, and sent home.
If we of the State are to be reclaimed, it will be at swordpoint. We know this, and yet we are allies against more pressing threats. If you, personally, would be content to leave us in peace with our much-cherished, heathen ways, then you, respectfully, do not very much reflect the Empire as a whole. The Empire may wish to spread its message by peaceful means, but unless the doctrines change, you are obliged by obedience to your faith to spread it.
That's not to say that, respectfully, a dissident templar would be any sort of bad thing.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:54:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:I respect your view to be honest faith can not be forced it must be grown. I have respect for the caldria state to opprese the right to practice a faith supprises me. I simply hope this can be solved diplomatically. I know little of your faith so I can't tell if your lost children of the lord or demons like the blood raiders.
I am one of few who believe the lord works under many names. Adoption is preferable to suppression. Where can I learn more?
Well, there's a good deal of information to be found here, though this article deals only with the Way of the Winds. The beliefs of the Achura and Intaki are different, but related: practitioners of all three faiths see the others as different ways of looking at the same truths. Wayists are not evangelical, so you won't find Caldari missionaries venturing into other cultures, but Galm Fae, probably the Way's most visible practitioner among our kind, runs a temple at the summit ground facility at Yulai; you might visit him there.
It is perhaps a little inaccurate to say that the Caldari "oppress" the practice of faiths other than their own. It is not that the Caldari forbid and suppress outside religions, templar; it is that they forbid and suppress all aspects of outside culture within Caldari society. The Caldari do not run an open society; one may join it only by becoming fully Caldari. The Way is a part of that cultural identity; outsiders, religious or otherwise, are unwelcome.
The dearest wish of the Caldari is to be left alone to practice their ancestors' ways. Even the Intaki and we Achura must remain apart, practicing our own ways in our own places. We are welcome to be who we are, even to govern ourselves, so long as we do not interfere in the Caldari, likewise, being who they are.
Achur beliefs are less concerned with "worth" than the Way is, focusing more on exploration and insight, and on acting in tune with the universe. We live in relative isolation on our homeworld, known to the Caldari as Saisio III, and have lived peacefully alongside our cousins for centuries. The Caldari live in their cities, but the rural communities and monasteries belong to us. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote: Hardly. You are unstable, dangerous, and woefully unpredictable. The perfect clone is the obedient and stable clone. 3rd Gens like myself are good, but 4th or 5th Gen are vastly superior. Unpredictable? Yes. Dangerous? Of course. Unstable? No. I am simply enlightened by the grace of God. Pure Heresy.... No matter how many of that idiot there are... Ryeon, please. Don't insult my intelligence in a sentence with obvious grammatical errors. It is in bad tastes.
Strange situations give rise to odd grammar. There is only one of you, yet apparently there are at least two.
The fact that this appears to be a result of your refusal to get a defective piece of hardware that is doing some of your thinking for you upgraded, thus placing yourself and those around you at risk, would be what designates you an idiot. I consider it less an insult than an observation.
Apparently you have a sense of humor, at least. A pity it is coupled with a willingness to take cheap, and largely unjustified, rhetorical shots, but we can't have everything.
Now, would you kindly get your blasted head fixed. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:45:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote::( what a lonly way to live im sure one day we can find a way live under one banner
That is largely what the Gallente wanted, and thought, and seemingly still think, templar.
We are comfortable with our own ways of life, our own ways of being, our own communities. We do not find it any more lonely than we did when we were isolated on our homeworlds and far more literally alone. Certain of us are happy to trade with outsiders; others would prefer that we retreat into seclusion almost entirely. I personally understand the former group, but sympathize more with the latter.
There are things we can learn from beyond our borders, but some lessons and beliefs, valid in their own contexts, are corrosive in ours. Gallentean individualism, which demands cultural liberalism, is a prime example. Its influence on our elites would make our nation an abusive plutocracy, and has done so before. The resulting tide of anger from the lower castes is what swept Tibus Heth into power.
If we believe in the validity and integrity of our ancestors' ways of life, in its applicability and worth in our own existences, then we should seek to preserve those ways. We seek to preserve what we have, and to fend off those who would change us.
We are a set of deeply conservative peoples.
For my own part, I view the Achur faith as a jewel of insight, which the State shelters and protects. I would see the rest of human society crumble to dust and ashes before I let that jewel come to harm.
That is who I am, templar, first and foremost: a defender of my culture and faith. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:10:00 -
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My honor is long-since forfeit. I simply do not desire a meaningless existence.
I am what I can be at peace with being, templars. A guardian demon is a demon just the same. |
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:16:00 -
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Admirable ideals, Mr. Trifarn; may they serve you well.
Watch them closely, however. There are those in this cluster, notably Sansha's Nation, that prey on frustrated idealists. Dreams of peace can ferment into something intoxicating-- and deeply toxic.
I have watched it happen more than once. Our conflicts are persistent, and many a dreamer has found the thought, "What if we could make them peaceful?" impossible to resist. All you have to give up is all respect for human autonomy-- and, of course, you have to place absolute faith in a megalomaniac who's been known to neglect to program certain of his subjects to secure their own food supply.
Please be aware of that issue. I'd rather not have even one more idealist we'll eventually have to render irrevocably dead. |
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:48:00 -
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Damus Trifarn wrote:I will always be aware of that issue, with both my mind and the attention of my kin. I believe that if I sacrifice the human spirit on the altar of peace, there is no more peace to achieve. I have merely created a way for a spirit to be eradicated and the remnants forced into a safer, but ultimately more enslaving form of life. I would become someone who creates an entirely new form of existence for humans rather than a more peaceful version of our current existence
Well said.
Quote:That being said, feel free to end me should I stray from that belief. May your ideals lead you to keep idealists turned bad in check, and to avoid the same pitfalls.
My own "ideals" are counter-idealistic. Ideals are human ideas about the way the world should be; the way the world actually works is quite different, and often hostile to such concepts.
At best, attempts to change the universe cleave close to the underlying shape of the world, and result in modest but genuine improvements. This is how civilization becomes marginally kinder, or provides some modicum of justice.
At worst, they are detours into hubris, resulting in destruction. Sansha Kuvakei is the poster-fool for that sort of game, but it happens much more frequently, and less dramatically, all around us.
The universe neither rewards the good nor punishes the wicked; neither does it preserve beauty or peace as we conceive of them. This is acceptable to me. In a universe that cares nothing for justice, fairness, or consistency, I side with the universe. I believe in insight and the search for truth, not in seeking to "fix" what can never be broken.
Sansha Kuvakei thinks to fix humanity. It does not need fixing, least of all by him.
Evolution does not go "up," only forward. Nor are our lives clearly improved through innovation; merely changed. That is what I believe.
You might consider me, at my best, a principled realist. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Now, would you kindly get your blasted head fixed. Question mark, please.
I punctuated for tone as well as structure. I could have punctuated for structure alone, but I wasn't even putting forth a rhetorical question. Rather, I was strongly suggesting a course of action. I'd have used an exclamation point, but you didn't really seem worth raising my "voice" for.
Also, while we're having fun picking one another's nits, your request for further punctuation is an incomplete sentence. It's not clear whether it has a subject, and it surely lacks a verb.
As for the substance of your remarks, your supposed ability to use two separate bodies simultaneously with your alleged multiple personalities, in combination with your various other assertions (as to employer, history, privileges, etc.), have lead me to a hypothesis, which I here put forth: that you're a pathological liar.
This lends itself to the interpretation that you are not, in fact, first gen at all, and refuse to go in for treatment, repair, and upgrade, because there's nothing wrong with your implant that isn't also wrong with your blasted brain. |
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