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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2171
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:23:00 -
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I prefer the quick and honest methods of the Matar.
My personal favorites include: -Shooting the knee caps and elbows -Stabbing appendages to walls -Glass and rocks in the mouth while getting punched -Dangling from a high place -Choking -Getting hit with hot pieces of metal -Dislocating both arms by applying pressure to the back -And of course, exposed electric cables to the back
Call me old fashion, but I prefer making use of my environment, rather than relying on torture chambers.
But I'm curious, what do you sickos like to do to get your info in this Cluster we call EVE? |
Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
643
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:33:00 -
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same way I handle moving things out of my way when I have to carry something.
Vigorously apply boot. repeat as necessary. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
118
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:38:00 -
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Im just assault grunt,so i dont iterrogate but i know how i would do it.Take a rat feed it just that rat dont starve to death,take people who you want to interrogate and cut him/her wound in stomach and put rat in a box in a wound and see what happens,another good choice is water drops in head (constantly) and then there is old fashioned psych torture like no sleeping (like loud music lights on 24/7) And last but not least modern day truth serum do the trick. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2407
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:48:00 -
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I prefer something more subtle. In my time interrogating extremist's and heretics I learnt one thing.
You cannot break these people with pain.
I was familiar with some of the older techniques, apply psychosis inducing drugs, apply pressure to the weakest parts of the soul, pain, pleasure, fear, hate, terror. These things flow from there, you can learn how to break a man by listening to his own whimpers. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
300
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Posted - 2013.09.30 04:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:You cannot break these people with pain. Respectfully, Templar Crusader, if this is your conclusion, what broke was your stomach for the tactic. (It's difficult to characterize this as a character flaw, really.)
Everybody breaks at some point. There are no exceptions. The problem is that "breaking" means a willingness to tell an interrogator absolutely anything to make the pain stop for even a moment. It's not a rational state. Truthfulness is irrelevant and long-term planning doesn't really enter into it, so, unless you have some foolproof method of distinguishing truth from fiction, you'll typically get a little bit of truth mixed in with a pile of lies the subject desperately hopes will be pleasing-- if you get any truth at all.
This is particularly treacherous if the subject guesses correctly about what you want to hear; confirmation bias takes it from there.
Torture for the purpose of obtaining truth is rarely really worthwhile; it's mostly something to be done when you don't actually care very much what the truth is.
It's lovely for extracting confessions, for example, when it is mostly important that the public see the criminal's submission to the governing authority's justice. |
Demel Derpovsky
Derringer Defenses
10
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I prefer something more subtle. In my time interrogating extremist's and heretics I learnt one thing.
You cannot break these people with pain.
I was familiar with some of the older techniques, apply psychosis inducing drugs, apply pressure to the weakest parts of the soul, pain, pleasure, fear, hate, terror. These things flow from there, you can learn how to break a man by listening to his own whimpers.
Wise words! Maybe not common, but surely effective
Interrogation has never been my specialty, I prefer to kill them quickly and softly rather than squeeze them until they become parched rags of skin and flesh. Although...If I ever did have to as part of a decent job opportunity. I'd perhaps go with a passive approach, offer myself not as an enemy, but as an individual with a soul. Then again I'd probably hire somebody to do that for them...I was always much to gentle to be so cruel. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
106
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:41:00 -
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Interrogation and torture are two totally different things. The Dragonaurs taught me that any information you need can be bought from trusted sources. Human intelligence shouldn't rely on how much physical pain you can inflict on an individual, but on the deeds of inside agents who can feed you everything you need to know from under your enemy's nose.
Not what you might call 'interrogation'... They taught me a great deal about that as well. Real torture isn't used to gain information, it is to send a message. Once you have completely broken you victim, you have to string him up for the world to see. It isn't enough to make them fear for their lives, you must drill away at them until they beg for death.
Also, don't think you have to get creative too or fancy with this either. Leave that to the Amarr. If you find yourself strapping a victim to an over sized mouse trap or dangling him over a vat of acid, you need to accept the fact that your inventions have less to do with reaching your end result and have more to do with keeping things fresh and entertaining whoever is doing the torturing.
Stick to the classics and you will never go wrong. An old standby of mine is to drive two rods of rebar through the front of the kneecaps and drive them all the way through so they are pointed downward in the rear of their legs. Tell them that if they can walk on their own two legs across the room you will end their pain. Nine times out of ten they will fail, and when they do... Well....
Quote:Vigorously apply boot. repeat as necessary.
Once they are thoroughly bloodied, string them up by the rebar and leave them hanging for a good amount of time. When you think it has been long enough, cut them down and restart the process over again. If you keep them from swallowing their own tongue and you keep them hydrated, you can keep this act going for years until they finally break. While they are hanging, feel free to twist, poke, prod, and burn whatever on them strikes your mood. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2171
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:26:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Interrogation and torture are two totally different things. The Dragonaurs taught me that any information you need can be bought from trusted sources. Human intelligence shouldn't rely on how much physical pain you can inflict on an individual, but on the deeds of inside agents who can feed you everything you need to know from under your enemy's nose. Not what you might call 'interrogation'... They taught me a great deal about that as well. Real torture isn't used to gain information, it is to send a message. Once you have completely broken you victim, you have to string him up for the world to see. It isn't enough to make them fear for their lives, you must drill away at them until they beg for death. Also, don't think you have to get creative too or fancy with this either. Leave that to the Amarr. If you find yourself strapping a victim to an over sized mouse trap or dangling him over a vat of acid, you need to accept the fact that your inventions have less to do with reaching your end result and have more to do with keeping things fresh and entertaining whoever is doing the torturing. Stick to the classics and you will never go wrong. An old standby of mine is to drive two rods of rebar through the front of the kneecaps and drive them all the way through so they are pointed downward in the rear of their legs. Tell them that if they can walk on their own two legs across the room you will end their pain. Nine times out of ten they will fail, and when they do... Well.... Quote:Vigorously apply boot. repeat as necessary. Once they are thoroughly bloodied, string them up by the rebar and leave them hanging for a good amount of time. When you think it has been long enough, cut them down and restart the process over again. If you keep them from swallowing their own tongue and you keep them hydrated, you can keep this act going for years until they finally break. While they are hanging, feel free to twist, poke, prod, and burn whatever on them strikes your mood. I prefer to call torture of non Gallante citizens torture, just my policy.
Also, I'm in the intelligence gathering business now. This means it is more or less my job to quickly acquire intel.
My few rules regarding torture are:
-Always give them a chance before torture -No taking off limbs (I mean through cutting or ripping, I'm fine with dislocation) -Due it ASAP
Also, when I apply the boot, I tend to kill them outright. So I stopped doing that...
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2171
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I prefer something more subtle. In my time interrogating extremist's and heretics I learnt one thing.
You cannot break these people with pain.
I was familiar with some of the older techniques, apply psychosis inducing drugs, apply pressure to the weakest parts of the soul, pain, pleasure, fear, hate, terror. These things flow from there, you can learn how to break a man by listening to his own whimpers. That takes too long! I generally apply the technique in the very same place I have captured them, it generally takes no more tan 5 minutes, usually 3.
What is your position on interrogating women? I generally do not, cannot, at least not in the same barbaric style as I do men. Just me though. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
267
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:01:00 -
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I find it depends on the subject. Though, of course, many tactics are a staple. The brutish methods of striking the subject I have found to be particularly ineffective as it eventually brings about a certain level of familiarity. Using a variety of tools and implements one can create a very potent level of discomfort for the subject. This coupled with the subtle yet invasive methods of the Caldari allow for an effective method of torture that leads to a very successful results.
It also helps to have someone who does not agree with your method of torture, who may actually grow concerned for the subject. In this manner the subject may find himself with an ally. One who he may confide in to help him get out of the pain.
I also keep in mind one rule that many forget. One must always keep the torture/interrogation psychological. Physical only gets you so far.
I find for the extreme cases one must bring the situation a little closer to home for the subject. I am not fond of harming civilians who are not directly involved, in fact I often make it a rule not to, but sometimes it's unavoidable when it's an important matter. |
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Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
267
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:03:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I prefer the quick and honest methods of the Matar.
My personal favorites include: -Shooting the knee caps and elbows -Stabbing appendages to walls -Sack or bag over the head -Glass and rocks in the mouth while getting punched -Dangling from a high place -Choking -Getting hit with hot pieces of metal -Saying I'm going to slice open their throat, though, give them a beard trim instead. This is more of a joke, though surprisingly effective -Drowning and choking some one in less than a foot of water -Dislocating both arms by applying pressure to the back -And of course, exposed electric cables to the back
Call me old fashion, but I prefer making use of my environment, rather than relying on torture chambers.
But I'm curious, what do you sickos like to do to get your info in this Cluster we call EVE? I assume that these methods are methods applied impromtu in the field. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2418
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:40:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:I prefer something more subtle. In my time interrogating extremist's and heretics I learnt one thing.
You cannot break these people with pain.
I was familiar with some of the older techniques, apply psychosis inducing drugs, apply pressure to the weakest parts of the soul, pain, pleasure, fear, hate, terror. These things flow from there, you can learn how to break a man by listening to his own whimpers. That takes too long! I generally apply the technique in the very same place I have captured them, it generally takes no more tan 5 minutes, usually 3. What is your position on interrogating women? I generally do not, cannot, at least not in the same barbaric style as I do men. Just me though. Again it doesn't matter how long it take for the subject to reach the truth on their own. Teach them pain and they will say anything to make it end, I will give them fear in a handful of dust. They will come to me begging to tell me what the know.
Time is no factor when information can save lives.
As for women..... I admit to being softer on them than men but marginally so, the Sani Sabik are no different no matter their sex. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
486
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:04:00 -
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A lot of people, especially the OP, seem to be confusing interrogation with torture. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2420
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:12:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:A lot of people, especially the OP, seem to be confusing interrogation with torture. Torture is but a means of extracting information. I simply share how I have been taught to conduct myself against the religious extremists the Amarrian Templars encounter.
As you can imagine there is often no way that an extremist would divulge any information, most times choosing death over capture, extraction of the information from the mind without destroying the body is the rule I have been taught. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
487
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Torture is but a means of extracting information. I simply share how I have been taught to conduct myself against the religious extremists the Amarrian Templars encounter.
As you can imagine there is often no way that an extremist would divulge any information, most times choosing death over capture, extraction of the information from the mind without destroying the body is the rule I have been taught. That's a valid point, but as people have already stated earlier in this thread, torture seldom works as means to extract valid information from subjects. From what I have read in this thread at least some use torturous methods just to sate their own needs and twisted desires. I'm not going to even indulge in the ethical problems of this kind of interrogation.
As for myself, I was trained to withstand interrogation, physical and psychological. I was never taught how to conduct interrogations myself. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2421
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:37:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:True Adamance wrote:Torture is but a means of extracting information. I simply share how I have been taught to conduct myself against the religious extremists the Amarrian Templars encounter.
As you can imagine there is often no way that an extremist would divulge any information, most times choosing death over capture, extraction of the information from the mind without destroying the body is the rule I have been taught. That's a valid point, but as people have already stated earlier in this thread, torture seldom works as means to extract valid information from subjects. From what I have read in this thread at least some use torturous methods just to sate their own needs and twisted desires. I'm not going to even indulge in the ethical problems of this kind of interrogation. As for myself, I was trained to withstand interrogation, physical and psychological. I was never taught how to conduct interrogations myself. I have not the ability to "think around corners" in the way many interrogators do. I do however have the benefit of the training undergone when I became a Templar, knowing about bravery and fear are tenets of that training. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
304
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:39:00 -
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Never done it myself, don't intend to start unless there is no less than an entire colony at stake. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2425
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:59:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Never done it myself, don't intend to start unless there is no less than an entire colony at stake. Its the only time I think anyone should ever debase themselves this way.
It is as much repulsive as it is necessary, though your morals do not make your actions any less destructive to the state of your mind and soul. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2171
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:14:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Never done it myself, don't intend to start unless there is no less than an entire colony at stake. Hmm, interesting...
I have tortured far more for much less. Usually something drug related, I don't use them but I don't get enough funding from my employers. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2171
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:22:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I prefer the quick and honest methods of the Matar.
My personal favorites include: -Shooting the knee caps and elbows -Stabbing appendages to walls -Sack or bag over the head -Glass and rocks in the mouth while getting punched -Dangling from a high place -Choking -Getting hit with hot pieces of metal -Saying I'm going to slice open their throat, though, give them a beard trim instead. This is more of a joke, though surprisingly effective -Drowning and choking some one in less than a foot of water -Dislocating both arms by applying pressure to the back -And of course, exposed electric cables to the back
Call me old fashion, but I prefer making use of my environment, rather than relying on torture chambers.
But I'm curious, what do you sickos like to do to get your info in this Cluster we call EVE? I assume that these methods are methods applied impromtu in the field. Yeah, but I prefer them even when I have other options. |
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Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
267
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:29:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:A lot of people, especially the OP, seem to be confusing interrogation with torture. Interrogation and torture are closely related for me. I do follow certain, I suppose you could call them, rules, however most subjects are unwilling to simply give up secrets and information which is where these methods come into play. It's simple really, you put a civilian in a sterile room and intimidate them into giving up a secret sure, but you put someone trained to keep secrets into a room, it's going to take a bit more than a simple question.
The best way to put it is that I'm the specialist, while whoever my partner is at the time is the person who gets the information. After all, my partner is the one that can make it stop. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
267
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:35:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:True Adamance wrote:Torture is but a means of extracting information. I simply share how I have been taught to conduct myself against the religious extremists the Amarrian Templars encounter.
As you can imagine there is often no way that an extremist would divulge any information, most times choosing death over capture, extraction of the information from the mind without destroying the body is the rule I have been taught. That's a valid point, but as people have already stated earlier in this thread, torture seldom works as means to extract valid information from subjects. From what I have read in this thread at least some use torturous methods just to sate their own needs and twisted desires. I'm not going to even indulge in the ethical problems of this kind of interrogation. As for myself, I was trained to withstand interrogation, physical and psychological. I was never taught how to conduct interrogations myself. I'm only usually wanted when a subject proves difficult to crack, so the amount of times I've had to interrogate are lower than the amount of subjects of witnessed interrogated. It's a curious thing really.
As for Adamance's statement. I operate on the philosophy that the body and mind are connected. One can manipulate one through the other in both directions through the use of both painful and invasive methods. |
Reko Blancwood
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
4
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:35:00 -
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I have never needed extra information in the field, apparently my Intel team is a cut above the rest. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2477
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:47:00 -
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Reko Blancwood wrote:I have never needed extra information in the field, apparently my Intel team is a cut above the rest. Then you have not dealt with much of New Eden then. Secrets are as abundant as grains of sand upon all the worlds of God. |
Templar Twelve
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:08:00 -
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Amarrian methods of torture. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3669
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:16:00 -
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I prefer a Duvolle plasma rifle modified with multiple magnetic field stabilisers for that extra oomph. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1086
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:40:00 -
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'pulls out a canister from pouch, sets it down; pulls out gas mask' Simple concept; attach the canister to mask, make the ****** breathe the stuff in, and he/she will be screaming bloody murder for 5 hours straight, as it makes yo feel like you've been dumped in lava, and at the same time, like you're being shot. Once it's over, (ie they stop screaming like a *****), I ask them whatever I need to. If I'm in a rush, I give them a way smaller dose. It's quite effective. |
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