Why do you feel the need to look down your nose at people who as you say can barely hold on to a 1.0 kd, I know I said i was going to stay away from controversy but you do sound like an ass when you talk like that. There's a lot more to a good player than his kd. You also make it sound like anyone with a kd lower than your excepted standard is irrelevant and shouldn't have a voice on these forums.

I agree, the mouse just feels akward and wrong, hence why I stopped using the mouse/controller option. The controller feels pretty good atm, or atleast better than the mouse but its still slow as hell and I would like more options for sensitivity as far as hip fire and ads.

You can't 'uncap' an analog stick. At least my stick can only go so far in one direction. And once it reaches that point the game cannot treat that final destination as 'infinite speed turn'. When you say 'uncap the DS3' you should how little you understanding about the mechanics of the two things. WIth a mouse you control the DISTANCE your toon will turn, more or less directly. With an analog stick you control the acceleration and length of time your character turns for. So you indirectly control distance with the DS3.

Y'know balancing input types is a genuinely tough design problem, and although we've talked it to death already it might be that more talk is called for. When all parties concerned get 'rage fatigue' and start talking with each other instead of at each other we might make some progress.

All i wanna add to this thread right now is that the players who will feel the repercussions of these decisions most are the DS3 users who don't use AA for whatever reason. I'm guessing there are a few of them, and i'm guessing the two primary reasons would be that they enjoy the skill-based aspect of shooters and that they feel it messes with target retention in messy environments.

If CCP wants to keep pursuing multiple input systems(a worthy and noble goal, imo), they need to do everything possible to avoid alienating this group. To me that means that the native DS3 control mechanics need to be flawless, best-in-the-business, and feel f'in great without the AA. With that in place, a considerably milder form of our current AA would probably be palatable to all concerned.

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One more point re: raw input for mouse. First a question - is raw input even possible on the DS3?

There is only one rational way to calibrate Aim Assist on DS3 vs. KB/M: Measure the stats for both the top 5% of players in both groups and adjust the strength of the AA until the stats for the two groups equalize. You can't theorize your way to aim assist because there are far to many variables, statistical analysis is your only hope.

The big question is how strong will the AA be at this equilibrium point? Will it be stronger that what we have now? In that case we'd have to admit that it was a nice try but the idea is unworkable. But if, with good DS3 fundamentals, we can make it work with a weaker AA than we have now, then CCP has a shot at pulling this off. I hope they do, tbh.

P.S.: A friend here at work had maybe a great idea: Make Aim Assist a module - i'm thinking a hislot module, with adhesion that varies with input type, i.e. lower adhesion for kb/m.

I'd agree with this if the mouse was raw input, since its NOT and CCP continues to design it around the virtual joystick like others have said its like taking the controller and using your palm to aim..

I also have to disagree on DS3 users being effected the most, since 1.4 they have had the biggest advantage because of aim assist and the lack of real mouse input (which of course doesn't get aim assist and doesn't need it if it was true mouse input) is nowhere near the lvl to compete with aim assist..

This isn't an argument on which one is getting screwed the most because both have been equally screwed since the deployment of uprising... But the vast majority of people I play with are DS3 users and they are happy with the aim assist and overall improvements since 1.4.. Some have even asked for the removal of aim assist. .

I say leave aim assist but being a kb/m user they need to remove the joystick emulation from the kb/m especially with the implementation of DS3 aim assist, it only seems fair to put kb/m at full strength when your competing against aim assist..



(I do like the idea behind AA being a module then one would have to sacrifice shields or damage for aim assist. But since kb/m doesn't have aim assist it would only give them that advantage of not having to equip the module. .)

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Aim assist and Mouse smoothing should be one and the same for the ds3 and mouse.

When you cut aim assist or smoothing on it fine tunes the sensitivity for more precise shooting. In return you will get slower turn speed sensitivity.

When you cut aim assist or smoothing off there is no fine tune sensitivity for more precise shooting so the increase in turn speed sensitivity.

Right now when you cut off or on mouse smoothing your turn speed either increase when off or decrease when on.
The same should go for the ds3 controller but it does not. Right now when you cut the aim assist off your turn speed sensitivity does not increase like the mouse with smoothing off it stays the same on or off.

This way if you choose aim assist or mouse smoothing you will be sacrificing turn speed for aim assistance or mouse smoothing.

I honestly don't care if the aimbot comes, goes, stays just would like to be able to turn around as fast as a mouse when aim assist is off.

I'm not talking about the aimbot in it's assistance in aiming. I cut it off so I should be able to turn as fast not faster and not as fast with the assist on but as fast as the mouse with it off.

One more thing all sensitivities should be adjustable by 1 not 10 .

A noble idea but mouse smoothing doesn't really "restrict" or slow down the speed your mouse aims at, hear me out..

If one has a high performance adjustable DPI mouse, which the majority can be adjusted nowadays.. Say the mouse is max 5300Dpi but I use it at 1200Dpi Sensitivity 40..

Sure I can turn mouse smoothing on and it will slow down my rotation speed but all I have to do is plug my mouse into a PC crank up the Dpi to lets say 3000Dpi and I'm right back at my prefered turning speed..

Mouse smoothing is actually only present to help hide the virtual joystick and smooth out the dead zones, which imo makes the dead zones feel sluggish even at higher Dpi..

So aim assist working as a restriction on speed wouldn't be similar to mouse smoothing, and would only lead to more restriction in order to balance ... Further screwing both Inputs and alienating one or the other player base.

DUST should have been on the PC. Arguing with console players over a stupid game comtroller should have never been an issue.

THIS GAME IS A PLUGIN FOR EVE! Grab an input device and get to work serving your masters.