Y'know balancing input types is a genuinely tough design problem, and although we've talked it to death already it might be that more talk is called for. When all parties concerned get 'rage fatigue' and start talking with each other instead of at each other we might make some progress.

All i wanna add to this thread right now is that the players who will feel the repercussions of these decisions most are the DS3 users who don't use AA for whatever reason. I'm guessing there are a few of them, and i'm guessing the two primary reasons would be that they enjoy the skill-based aspect of shooters and that they feel it messes with target retention in messy environments.

If CCP wants to keep pursuing multiple input systems(a worthy and noble goal, imo), they need to do everything possible to avoid alienating this group. To me that means that the native DS3 control mechanics need to be flawless, best-in-the-business, and feel f'in great without the AA. With that in place, a considerably milder form of our current AA would probably be palatable to all concerned.

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One more point re: raw input for mouse. First a question - is raw input even possible on the DS3?

There is only one rational way to calibrate Aim Assist on DS3 vs. KB/M: Measure the stats for both the top 5% of players in both groups and adjust the strength of the AA until the stats for the two groups equalize. You can't theorize your way to aim assist because there are far to many variables, statistical analysis is your only hope.

The big question is how strong will the AA be at this equilibrium point? Will it be stronger that what we have now? In that case we'd have to admit that it was a nice try but the idea is unworkable. But if, with good DS3 fundamentals, we can make it work with a weaker AA than we have now, then CCP has a shot at pulling this off. I hope they do, tbh.

P.S.: A friend here at work had maybe a great idea: Make Aim Assist a module - i'm thinking a hislot module, with adhesion that varies with input type, i.e. lower adhesion for kb/m.

http://youtu.be/2kQea5xnpvY


Aim assist and Mouse smoothing should be one and the same for the ds3 and mouse.

When you cut aim assist or smoothing on it fine tunes the sensitivity for more precise shooting. In return you will get slower turn speed sensitivity.

When you cut aim assist or smoothing off there is no fine tune sensitivity for more precise shooting so the increase in turn speed sensitivity.

Right now when you cut off or on mouse smoothing your turn speed either increase when off or decrease when on.
The same should go for the ds3 controller but it does not. Right now when you cut the aim assist off your turn speed sensitivity does not increase like the mouse with smoothing off it stays the same on or off.

This way if you choose aim assist or mouse smoothing you will be sacrificing turn speed for aim assistance or mouse smoothing.

I honestly don't care if the aimbot comes, goes, stays just would like to be able to turn around as fast as a mouse when aim assist is off.

I'm not talking about the aimbot in it's assistance in aiming. I cut it off so I should be able to turn as fast not faster and not as fast with the assist on but as fast as the mouse with it off.

One more thing all sensitivities should be adjustable by 1 not 10 .