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negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 229	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:33:00 - [1] - Quote So I decide to tank my suit a little more, so i decided to but some armor plates on. The reason before i did use armor plate was because of the movement penalty. But the penalty wasn't higher to be afraid of. I run a minmatar assault M/1 series and can get my armor to 332 with 361 shield Note: I got dropsuit biotic upgrade to lv5 Unaffect Movement speed 5.30 m/s Sprinting speed 7.79 m/s Armor plates ( 2x std armor plate) Movement Speed 5.10 m/s Sprinting Speed 7.50 m/s It isn't that much of a different Now with the 2x enhance plates ( 110 HP bonus) now have 325 shield and 384 armor Movement speed 5.01 sprinting speed 7.36 So I am still moving with considerable speed
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1489	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:36:00 - [2] - Quote If you are a scout racing to hack a yellow objective or escape when you've been spotted every 0.01 m/s counts!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 681	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:38:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds like someone wasnt here before update 1.4
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1608	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:39:00 - [4] - Quote You're only using two enhanced. Think of the combat-medic GalLogis who stack 3 or 4 complex. That's where the penalty makes itself known.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 480	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:42:00 - [5] - Quote Ummmm.....the armour plates have a decent penalty....it's probably because u r using a min suit, they are fast to begin with, if you are using glorious amarr suits (like myself ) then the armour plates have a huge consequence and make you slower than a snail
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1491	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:45:00 - [6] - Quote Biggest penalty of armor tanking is the 1 shot grenades imo. Other than that, the actual movement penalty is pretty good.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 229	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:48:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmm.....the armour plates have a decent penalty....it's probably because u r using a min suit, they are fast to begin with, if you are using glorious amarr suits (like myself ) then the armour plates have a huge consequence and make you slower than a snail Ha we're better than you
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis 207	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:54:00 - [8] - Quote negative49er wrote: So I decide to tank my suit a little more, so i decided to but some armor plates on. The reason before i did use armor plate was because of the movement penalty. But the penalty wasn't higher to be afraid of. I run a minmatar assault M/1 series and can get my armor to 332 with 361 shield Note: I got dropsuit biotic upgrade to lv5 Unaffect Movement speed 5.30 m/s Sprinting speed 7.79 m/s Armor plates ( 2x std armor plate) Movement Speed 5.10 m/s Sprinting Speed 7.50 m/s It isn't that much of a different Now with the 2x enhance plates ( 110 HP bonus) now have 325 shield and 384 armor Movement speed 5.01 sprinting speed 7.36 So I am still moving with considerable speed Wow, this is at par with my tanked scout speed wise.....WTF.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 480	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:56:00 - [9] - Quote negative49er wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmm.....the armour plates have a decent penalty....it's probably because u r using a min suit, they are fast to begin with, if you are using glorious amarr suits (like myself ) then the armour plates have a huge consequence and make you slower than a snail Ha we're better than you Until I spot you and melt you with my imperial scrambler rifle
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 247	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:22:00 - [10] - Quote The armor penalty is a lot more significant than the shield penalty... Oh, wait. I forgot, there is no shield penalty.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1755	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:23:00 - [11] - Quote your right they should of double the penalty when they buffed the HP.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 75	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:43:00 - [12] - Quote The penalty is still massive with complex plates. It's arguable that the complex plate (135HP, -5% movement) is worse than the enhanced plate (110HP, -3% movement), given it's only a 22.7% increase in HP but 66.7% increase in movement penalty. I think they should buff the HP or decrease the movement penalty on the complex plate so it's clearly the best plate, just as the complex shield extender is clearly the best extender.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 299	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:51:00 - [13] - Quote mmm yeah but not compared to an amarian equally tanked ..my adv logi has more armor and same shields about and runs at 6.4 the problem is with the aiming you now have to be really good at out strafing damage to run min properly ..but it is not impossible.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 75	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:57:00 - [14] - Quote ladwar wrote: your right they should of double the penalty when they buffed the HP. Compared to shields armour has: 1) Movement penalty 2) No innate regen penalty 3) Slow regen even if repper fitted penalty 4) M1/core locus OHK penalty If they doubled the movement penalty they'd have to get rid of the other penalties, otherwise armour would go back to being ludicrously UP. Things are just about balanced as they are (except for the complex plate being a piece of ****).
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1756	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:01:00 - [15] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: ladwar wrote: your right they should of double the penalty when they buffed the HP. Compared to shields armour has: 1) Movement penalty 2) No innate regen penalty 3) Slow regen even if repper fitted penalty 4) M1/core locus OHK penalty If they doubled the movement penalty they'd have to get rid of the other penalties, otherwise armour would go back to being ludicrously UP. Things are just about balanced as they are (except for the complex plate being a piece of ****). that sounds like a good idea... add an innate regen to armor. see great stuff. i like it.
Cosgar ParagonX 5555	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:05:00 - [16] - Quote Is this secretly a nerf armor thread?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3577	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:20:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Is this secretly a nerf armor thread?
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 481	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:24:00 - [18] - Quote My pro amarr logi has more ehp than a basic sentinel with 1 enhanced armour plates and 1 enhanced shield booster (or whatever it's called)
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 458	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:30:00 - [19] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: The armor penalty is a lot more significant than the shield penalty... Oh, wait. I forgot, there is no shield penalty. This. And before someone cries "but armor can fit damage mods in your free high slots!" think that kinetic catalyzers, cardiac regulators, profile dampeners, hacking modules ALL go to low slots.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 76	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: My pro amarr logi has more ehp than a basic sentinel with 1 enhanced armour plates and 1 enhanced shield booster (or whatever it's called) I've been seeing a bit of a comeback for that unlovely creature, the heavy with an AR. Surely they would be better off with your kind of fit?
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 483	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:35:00 - [21] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: My pro amarr logi has more ehp than a basic sentinel with 1 enhanced armour plates and 1 enhanced shield booster (or whatever it's called) I've been seeing a bit of a comeback for that unlovely creature, the heavy with an AR. Surely they would be better off with your kind of fit? Haha, my pro logi is faster than a sentinel...but costs literally 15x more than a decently fit one.....I also have a duvolle wielding sentinel fit for special occasions And yes...but I still get dummied by those dreaded callogi sasquatches
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1495	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:58:00 - [22] - Quote There is no use arguing about the difference between armor and shields. Shields are shields and armor is armor. Deal with the way they are designed (because they are working as designed).
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1757	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:08:00 - [23] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Is this secretly a nerf armor thread? psss yup sure is...
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 254	Posted - 2013.09.29 16:09:00 - [24] - Quote ladwar wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: ladwar wrote: your right they should of double the penalty when they buffed the HP. Compared to shields armour has: 1) Movement penalty 2) No innate regen penalty 3) Slow regen even if repper fitted penalty 4) M1/core locus OHK penalty If they doubled the movement penalty they'd have to get rid of the other penalties, otherwise armour would go back to being ludicrously UP. Things are just about balanced as they are (except for the complex plate being a piece of ****). that sounds like a good idea... add an innate regen to armor. see great stuff. i like it. That would be boring because armor would be too much like shields then. They need to stay distinct, yet equally effective
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 281	Posted - 2013.09.29 16:36:00 - [25] - Quote Go Minmtar.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1070	Posted - 2013.09.29 16:50:00 - [26] - Quote Two plates on a minmatar suit? Good luck w those high slots.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2396	Posted - 2013.09.29 19:20:00 - [27] - Quote negative49er wrote: So I decide to tank my suit a little more, so i decided to but some armor plates on. The reason before i did use armor plate was because of the movement penalty. But the penalty wasn't higher to be afraid of. I run a minmatar assault M/1 series and can get my armor to 332 with 361 shield Note: I got dropsuit biotic upgrade to lv5 Unaffect Movement speed 5.30 m/s Sprinting speed 7.79 m/s Armor plates ( 2x std armor plate) Movement Speed 5.10 m/s Sprinting Speed 7.50 m/s It isn't that much of a different Now with the 2x enhance plates ( 110 HP bonus) now have 325 shield and 384 armor Movement speed 5.01 sprinting speed 7.36 So I am still moving with considerable speed Yup unless you spent 6+ months as the inferior tanking type shut the hell up. You still have vastly faster regen speed than us, you are still faster than us, you are still able to make use of speed tanking and stealth as well. What could you possibly have to ***** about? That Armour tankers now fulfil their roles as slow moving high damage bruisers?

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