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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:48:00 -
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negative49er wrote: 5% reduction of scan profile per level don't cut it anymore
Now that everyone is running an adv or pro scanner I can't hide from no one
Soooo you are saying the only way to counter it is to put only dampers in my low slot( No I using them for some else
The only suit capable of counter perfectly is the gallente scout and gallente meduim frame, but they will have fill 3 to all of their low slots with dampers
The scout bonus is more valuable than ever. You're more likely to avoid detection than in any other build. Don't whine that you're using your lows "for something else". That's the whole point of game's RPG elements. You have to choose. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:58:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:The scout bonus is more valuable than ever. You're more likely to avoid detection than in any other build. Don't whine that you're using your lows "for something else". That's the whole point of game's RPG elements. You have to choose. Scouts are pretty low in the slot department. Sure, it's a choice, but you generally need "something else" in order to be effective and it will need to be fit somewhere too.
No, you don't. If you want to mix something a little more than stealth into your build, then you sacrifice some of that stealth. Simple. There's no point even having the higher tier scanners if scouts don't even need to try and evade them.
My logi evades about a quarter of all scans with just the passive buff. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.29 13:05:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:[My logi evades about a quarter of all scans with just the passive buff. Do you run anything other than logi?
Yup, got a light frame and a heavy. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:15:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:There's no point even having the higher tier scanners if scouts don't even need to try and evade them. Right, so investing nearly 3 million SP into passive skills doesn't count as trying, then?
No, it doesn't. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:32:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Protected Void wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:There's no point even having the higher tier scanners if scouts don't even need to try and evade them. Right, so investing nearly 3 million SP into passive skills doesn't count as trying, then? No, it doesn't. Why not? Because you arbitrarily decided it doesn't since that doesn't rhyme with your viewpoint, or do you actually have a thought-out reasoning that brought you to that conclusion? To paraphrase your statement: There's no point in even having the dampening skills if people using scanners don't even need to try to make it damned hard to avoid their scans.
Because when we skill up a weapon, we still have to use the top weapon to get the most out of it. The Duvolle isn't rendered obsolete once people get proficiency 5. Evidently, however, you think this should be the case with profile dampening. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:56:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Evidently, however, you think this should be the case with profile dampening. No, I haven't stated my opinion yet, so you're making false assumptions. Here's what I think:
- A light suit should beat the standard scanner, regardless of skills
- A level 3 scout suit skill + a few levels into profile dampening should beat advanced scanners
- A level 5 scout suit skill + maxed out profile dampening should beat all but the proto 15 (16?) dB scanner
- A level 5 scout suit skill + maxed out profile dampening + a basic profile dampener module should beat all active scanners
Ie: a slight lowering of the scout suit's scan profile would suffice. Chunky Munkey wrote:Because when we skill up a weapon, we still have to use the top weapon to get the most out of it. The Duvolle isn't rendered obsolete once people get proficiency 5. Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. Proficiency isn't a counter to anything, it's a passive amplification skill. It can't render the weapon it applies to obsolete. Anyway: Am I to understand you're against any passive skill that renders something else less effective? Also, you're actually arguing my point, logic-wise. If a proto Gallente scout has to max out dampening skills and use 3 of his 4 low slots to equip complex profile dampeners to counter the best scanner, that scout is practically rendered obsolete by that scanner. There are too few slots left to make an effective enough fitting to justify the cost of a proto suit. Absence from enemy radar is the one clear advantage scouts have over other suits at the moment. Medium suits do everything else better (the speed difference is negligible).
You object to me drawing a conclusion about your position, and then express that exact position.
And what other analogy would you have me use? Hacking? Should the definitive hacking suit not require stacked hacking mods because they've already spent the SP?
My argument is that SP is not a placeholder for effort. I think 2 complex dampeners on a scout should be sufficient to dodge all scanners, and 1 should take you past most Protos. A dampened scout is not rendered obsolete. Unless of course you cannot think of anything to do with a strategic advantage that doesn't involve other modules. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:37:00 -
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Protected Void wrote: And my argument is that earning SP for months is just as much - more, actually - effort as using an equipment slot for a scanner. I really can't understand that you consider this effortless. In fact, I can't think of anything that requires more effort in Dust than grinding SP.
You misunderstand me. I'm saying SP is not a replacement for effort. Not that it isn't effort itself. You don't get free rep tools & nanohives just because you spent SP on a logi, you still have to fit them according to the task you want them to fulfill. SP is there to make what you have, better. Not to remove the need for it.
What are you putting in your low slots that makes their replacement with dampeners anathema to you? |
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