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Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2518	Posted - 2013.09.28 09:45:00 - [1] - Quote So, almost two months ago now (Aug 2.) we heard in weekly feedback that Team Kong was looking into the stat discrepancies with Dren items (a $100 set). In particular, this regards what are otherwise STD items (Scrambler Pistol and Swarm Launcher) that have MLT-grade fittings. The weekly update post was here. The numerical difference here is pretty cut and dry between MLT and STD grade fittings, but it hasn't been mentioned since. You would think something like this could get shoved in a hotfix or update pretty easily. On the same note, the briefly experienced Templar gear in the Templar event had the same issue with its Scrambler Pistol - it had MLT-grade fitting. That's effectively a $150 BPO bundle there. Now, I'd like to believe the Templar stuff would be fixed as well before launching, but the Dren stuff released with Uprising basically - and despite the issue being brought up and acknowledged, it's still wrong as far as I know coming up on 5 months later. This is a fix. This is a stat correction. The in-game stats for a Scrambler Pistol (and a Swarm Launcher) are not tightly kept secrets known only to CEOs. Anyone can pull them up. It shouldn't have taken over two months to get attention on a stat discrepancy in the first place, and shouldn't take over two months to get it fixed after it's been recognized. Please fix the stats on these items in the $100 bundle you sell, and make sure the Templar gear has the correct (fixed) stats when it launched in a few weeks as well.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2524	Posted - 2013.09.28 16:10:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I want those bpo dropsuits so bad but I only have a ps3 and all the eve pilots want billions of isk. Billions?! Sheesh.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2531	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:55:00 - [3] - Quote It should be as simple as adjusting a few values in a database to ensure that the weapon stats are consistent with STD weaponry. Having stats correct should be a goal regardless of what's going on, as it's a low effort fix. Having stats accurate on bundles that cost $100 or $150 is common sense as showing respect for customers that choose to support you.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2545	Posted - 2013.09.30 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: I guess in that case it becomes P2GF (Pay to get fixes) as opposed to P2W (pay-to-win). Well, my primary point is that it's a simple fix either way, and it's the sort of thing that "SHOULD" be a no-brainer. However, the fact it's "paid" gear is worth mentioning either way, as it amounts to selling a faulty product (and you can't accuse them of "selling a faulty product" for the free elements of the game). There's a straightforward element of not wanting to get more "win" because you paid money, but having the stuff you paid for be what it's supposed to be. Sort of like if you paid for a booster and it didn't work for half of the time. You got "something", but it doesn't work as it should. You paid money for it, and the product should work as advertised. Really, it's silly that we should even be talking about the stats being wrong on Dren stuff this long after release because the discrepancy was obvious and caught quickly by players. I thought it bore repeating now because it's possibly about to be a repeat event with the Templar Scrambler Pistol's stats if they didn't fix those either. In both cases it's giving substandard service to people that bothered to support the game in the largest possible way. Should they get better service because they paid more? No. But the level of service they've received is below what you'd expect for any product.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2548	Posted - 2013.09.30 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: It's also obvious that the underground turrets are STILL underground for some reason, yet they haven't put out a hotfix for this either. Not to diminish the importance of that silliness, but I'd imagine changing the values of 2-3 weapons to be consistent in a database would be quicker fix than the spawn position of the turret. Given access to their weapons database, any Dust forum user with Excel experience could administer this fitting fix in under 5 minutes. I don't know that the installation position would take a long time, but it's likely not as easy (and hasn't been present as long).
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2554	Posted - 2013.09.30 09:56:00 - [6] - Quote I'd keep in mind that the weapons with incorrect stats in this situation account for HALF of the weapons in the Dren bundle. The Dren pack comes with: Swarm Launcher Assault Rifle Shotgun Scrambler pistol ..weapon-wise. That's 2/4 (Swarm Launcher and Scrambler Pistol) that were given MLT fitting. It's actually worse than that in some respects if people purchased them looking for STD weapons that had yet to be released. Prior to the release of the Dren pack, there were no options for STD-level Scrambler Pistols or Swarm Launchers BPO-wise. On the other hand, players had opportunities to get a BPO STD Shotgun elsewhere and multiple BPO Assault Rifles have been released. They broke/mismanaged some of the most desirable elements of the bundle.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2558	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:01:00 - [7] - Quote ...and now they're about to take the Elite pack/Dren items off the market and they still haven't fixed them. Disgusting.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2564	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:25:00 - [8] - Quote That would be nice, yes.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2570	Posted - 2013.10.01 01:10:00 - [9] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: In case they need a reminder: Dren Swarm Launcher 30 CPU, 5 PG Swarm Launcher 23 CPU, 3 PG Dren Swarm Description: A variant of the standard swarm launcher issued to Ishukone Watch's elite forces. Dren Scrambler Pistol 20 CPU, 5 PG Scrambler Pistol 11 CPU, 2 PG Dren Scrambler Description: A variant of the standard scrambler pistol issued to Ishukone Watch's elite forces. Wooo... logic. Perfect, you made it even easier for them to find the standard stats to go with the standard gear.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2570	Posted - 2013.10.01 01:40:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Where did you read about this Templar gear and do you know what they include? Sorry a little of topic questin i know. It's fine. When the event happened, I queried the people in our corp about the items they had on the Templar characters. Lowratehitman made a video at the time as well, which made it pretty easy to look at the items as he went over the gear. It's all standard stuff for the most part, and just as advertised in the collector's edition: STD Heavy Amarr Sentinel STD Amarr Assault STD Amarr Logistics STD Laser Rifle STD Scrambler Rifle and... a Scrambler Pistol that says it's standard, but has MLT fitting (like the Dren one). This assuming they haven't fixed it of course. Though it would be odd if they fixed this pistol, but not the Dren that was out for several months. I guess it would be a "minor" victory if it was fixed, since they said they couldn't comment on unreleased items when it was brought up at the time. I'm not sure if I'm missing anything else. Basically, everything but the pistol was STD, and the pistol claimed to be STD but was not. Oh, there's that STD droplink BPO as well (that's already been released as a preorder bonus).

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2581	Posted - 2013.10.01 04:55:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ah ok got it. So this Templar stuff was already given out. I thought they would be something like the next elite pack or something XD my bad. Ty for clarifying. It was temporary for an event, but it was meant to be a "teaser" for the items in the Collector's Edition. So, having seen the items that will be released; I'm expressing my concern about them being properly fixed first. The Collector's Edition lands later this month, so you'll see (possibly) the people that bothered buying the Collector's Edition on the field in Templar stuff (possibly) after that. Since the Collector's edition is $150, it's sort of like a super-elite pack... though the focus is actually on the EVE materials.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2596	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:04:00 - [12] - Quote I would like to think, that compared to balance issues, hard to track bugs, and things that might involve the game engine in some way.... a fix that's just slotting a few numbers in a database would be a simple, straight-forward, and easy thing to go ahead and push into a patch/hotfix. Especially when it impacts a product that is sold...
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2605	Posted - 2013.10.02 09:45:00 - [13] - Quote I'm hoping faction stores or something like that might eventually have BPO gear. Or special faction gear you can buy with ISK. Either of those options is good, but if faction reward stores had optional AUR-gear that would suck. You earn your place in a faction, but you can only reap your rewards if you pay real money, and those rewards aren't permanent. Really, I dislike expendable AUR gear in general. If you're going to pay money for "virtual" items, they should be permanent. Anyhow, that's a tangent I guess. Since, as the topic suggests, the items we have paid for are not as advertised.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2626	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:39:00 - [14] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Only, like, three weeks till the Collector's Ed. launches. Let's hope the stats are right out of the box! ...Let's see if we can get the Dren fixed before that.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2639	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:03:00 - [15] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: When is that exactly? Collector's ships out on the 24th of this month. I have no idea if it ships from Iceland, or how long it takes.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2642	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:24:00 - [16] - Quote Good to know! Thanks! Though this: "CCP Mystery Code" etc. Is a bit disappointing on my end as the Dust bonuses dried up from the original announcement, while EVE rewards have been updated several times with other additions. I doubt anything not yet revealed has any connection to Dust.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2672	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:38:00 - [17] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: It's an "EVE Collector's Edition" not a Dust one I guess. Still, it would've been nice if some surprise bonuses had been announced for Dust as well. I'd be pleased if we got a "suprise" Templar Scout BPO down the road.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2686	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:40:00 - [18] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Stealth fix in the patch today maybe? Err... no. Dren Scrambler Pistol is still 20 CPU 5 PG. As an aside, same PG req as an ADV Scrambler, but with STD stats.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2693	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:49:00 - [19] - Quote I'd add that there's no fix, and there's are only two sources of BPOs now: Vet pack and Elite pack. You could say that half the packs have issues now (since the Dren weapons are wrong, and they're one of only two options), and that they've been wrong since release back in May.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2693	Posted - 2013.10.09 17:12:00 - [20] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: I'd add that there's no fix, and there's are only two sources of BPOs now: Vet pack and Elite pack. You could say that half the packs have issues now (since the Dren weapons are wrong, and they're one of only two options), and that they've been wrong since release back in May. If it wasn't getting fixed in 5 months, I don't know why fewer BPOs would make them more likely to fix it now. The recruit SMG stats remain broken as well I believe (Described as improvement on MLT, has lower stats than MLT - herp-derp). I would think the fact that there are FEWER BPOs would make it more obvious that some of the few there are have incorrect stats. Kinda like if someone asked you "Where's Waldo" in a crowd of 30-40 people (I forget how many BPOs we had), that... well, ok that's not difficult. BUT, if they asked you to find Waldo in a "crowd" of like five people... it's a no-brainer.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2725	Posted - 2013.10.11 05:05:00 - [21] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I'm also hoping they make these fixes. I can't wait for my templar gear. I also agree that the surprise code should be good for a BPO Templar scout suit when they release Amar scouts. They released a DEV Blog in EVE about the mystery code, they're making it like a season-pass sort of thing almost that gets people that have it stuff in the future as well, it included this note: Quote: This is just the beginning of what the Mystery Code will unlock. In the future, whenever we have big things happeningGÇönot just across the EVE Universe but across all CCP gamesGÇöyou will find a Mystery Code element to enjoy. About 2 weeks till the Templar stuff comes out. This issue is ultimately small compared to time-to-kill, balancing, etc. It's frustrating because of the many rendering/memory management/etc. issues that can be hard to track down... this one isn't like that. It's literally numbers in a database. It would take anyone with any database experience a few minutes to correct the numbers to go into a patch/hotfix, and yet the problem persists for half a year.... It's mind boggling. It's not the sort of thing you'd think you'd even need to post about because it's the most obvious, easy sort of thing to fix... and it's present on a $100 product.... that's like a full collector's edition of a retail game that comes with a bust and gadgets. In this case, it's just a few in-game items... AND THEY DON'T EVEN WORK AS ADVERTISED.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2748	Posted - 2013.10.14 13:07:00 - [22] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Also worth noting that this isn't really a Caveat Emptor sort of situation, as you don't post the stats for packs ahead of time - so we'd go by the text descriptions. Unless the message here is that we should assume you're lying or the items will be broken when we pay actual money, so we should stick to ISK... 10 more days till the Collector's stuff ships out!
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2774	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:44:00 - [23] - Quote That's the idea I guess. People need to be aware of the issues with the things they could be spending money on. That, or they could fix it...
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2788	Posted - 2013.10.18 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote Collector's Edition came, the TEMPLAR PISTOL'S STATS HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM. "Standard-issue", Meta "3", MLT friggin stats.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2790	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:40:00 - [25] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Collector's Edition came, the TEMPLAR PISTOL'S STATS HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM. "Standard-issue", Meta "3", MLT friggin stats. Are the rest OK? Nothing changed from the Templar Manhunt, exact same stats. They got told the Templar Pistol had MILITIA stats back then, they had MONTHS to fix that.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2793	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:48:00 - [26] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Well that's pretty disappointing. If it makes you feel better, the Laser Rifle inexplicably requires 50 CPU instead of 53 (The normal req for a STD Laser Rifle), so they apparently broke something in favor of the player as well. I'm still annoyed, even though I should've expected it really.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2798	Posted - 2013.10.19 05:31:00 - [27] - Quote It would be ironic if they rushed to fix that.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2804	Posted - 2013.10.20 22:36:00 - [28] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: I think we're past the point where "speed" is something we can attribute here. Maybe in 1.6.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2809	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:13:00 - [29] - Quote The difference with the SMGs has always be interesting because it's a double-screw. The Scrambler STD has easier fittings than a STD SMG, but for some reason they both have the exact same inflated MLT fittings. The Dren Swarm Launcher is also irritating, mind you, but it's especially aggravating that they'd give a "Standard" pistol MLT stats... twice.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2821	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:30:00 - [30] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: look like CCP don't give a flying rat ass anymore about BPO or fixing it. Seems that way.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2825	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:14:00 - [31] - Quote Apparently if the colors are wrong in the W.A.R. kit, it gets hotfixed in 24 hours. Stats wrong on weapons since May? It can wait. Weapon stats? Unimportant. Color Schemes? Super important (except for the Burnscar which lost its color scheme when it went off market... funny that).
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2831	Posted - 2013.10.23 23:51:00 - [32] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Apparently if the colors are wrong in the W.A.R. kit, it gets hotfixed in 24 hours. Stats wrong on weapons since May? It can wait. Weapon stats? Unimportant. Color Schemes? Super important (except for the Burnscar which lost its color scheme when it went off market... funny that). So they can do quick fixes on weapons, they have the technology... we've pointed out exactly what's wrong... they just choose not to, because... "screw you"? I guess. Malice as opposed to incompetence?
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2842	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:18:00 - [33] - Quote I'd prefer not to think about the amount of money I've spent for a complete lack of basic bug-fixes.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2849	Posted - 2013.10.26 19:25:00 - [34] - Quote What's another day not playing, really?
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2868	Posted - 2013.10.28 07:39:00 - [35] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: When will the madness end? Not soon, or at least it doesn't seem like it.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2886	Posted - 2013.10.29 16:31:00 - [36] - Quote Maybe a stealth fix in 1.6...
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2887	Posted - 2013.10.30 06:18:00 - [37] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: look like CCP don't give a flying rat ass anymore about BPO or fixing it. Somewhat off-topic, but you're showing up as not in a corp at all, which I didn't think was possible.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2892	Posted - 2013.10.31 10:51:00 - [38] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Maybe a stealth fix in 1.6... 1.7 content-lock is around the corner according to Logicloop. Not sure if adjusting the numbers in a table qualifies as "content".
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2912	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:42:00 - [39] - Quote They're retiring the Dren/Covenant sets, so... they will have sold something for half a year and then taken it off the market without ever fixing the stats. That's is SOME kind of incompetent there.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2913	Posted - 2013.11.01 14:15:00 - [40] - Quote low genius wrote: so, does the op not understand what 'variant' means? am I missing something? a militia weapon is a variant of a standard weapon... Let me run this logic train by you. The fact it says "variant" is not the significant part of the description. Every weapon has a "variations" tab that lists all the variants of that weapon-type. For a Scrambler Pistol, for example, you'd fine Militia, Staff Recruiter, Viziam, and Wolfman's on the variations tap. They're all friggin "variants". If you want to focus on that part - all that means is it's a scrambler pistol as opposed to a Coffee Maker. There are two places (aside from "stats", which would be the more obvious differences) where the weapon qualities/differences are made known: the description and the meta level. A Militia quality Scrambler will read as: A standard-issue scrambler pistol that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants. The militia "variant" sets itself apart by pointing out that is is less efficient and bulkier than other variants. That's the "Militia" difference. Less efficient & bulkier! It says so on the tin. It's also Meta level 0 to let you know you're at rock bottom. A Dren Pistol: A variant of the standard scrambler pistol issued to Ishukone Watch's elite forces. How is this variant different? Well, it's issued to Ishukone Watch's "elite forces". It has a Meta level of '1', which quality-wise puts exactly on par with a standard scrambler pistol. There is no mention of the weapon being "Piece of shite given to Ishukone Watch's ELITE forces as a joke", because it would be beyond retardation to give elite troops a weapon that is only equaled by the worst possible weapon you can buy. The description makes no mention of substandard performance at all. It also makes the Meta-level system pointless by equating STD and MLT level gear. A Templar Pistol: A standard-issue weapon used by the first Templars. Again, no mention of the weapon being less than standard quality in any way, but the weapon has MLT fitting all the same. It also has a Meta Level of 3, which is above standard quality. 3 is actually the highest Meta level you can get within standard, higher than an Assault Scrambler Pistol or Breach Scrambler Pistol (Advanced will jump to 4). The weapon has MLT stats all the same. We know the fact they're BPOs has no bearing on their meta-levels since the BPO for a Militia Scrambler itself is also Meta 0. This is separate from the fact that all other Merc-pack BPOs have been standard quality exactly, which means the pistols (Templar and Dren) and the Dren Swarm Launcher alone have bucked the item-quality trend set by Dragonfly Scout, Assault, AR, Covenant Assault, Sniper, Dren Scout, Logi, Assault, Heavy, AR, Shotgun, Toxin SMG, AR, Syndicate, Templar Assault, Logi, Sentinel, Scrambler, etc. etc. There you go.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2917	Posted - 2013.11.02 13:17:00 - [41] - Quote Even with this post, people still post about this again and again. I think I could probably pull up a list 20-30 other bug/feedback posts mentioning this simple simple problem.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2922	Posted - 2013.11.03 13:35:00 - [42] - Quote Every issue is negligible to someone. If I don't use tanks and tanker complain that there's some bug that really borks tank driving, then it wouldn't impact me at all. If something is broken, it should be fixed regardless. This is in particular is just a database error. It's beyond stupidly easy to correct some values in a database. Basic Excel/database manipulation is taught to high school students. This shouldn't be an issue.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2950	Posted - 2013.11.04 07:38:00 - [43] - Quote He ignored the bit about them having higher meta level than standard items, and the bit about the descriptions saying they were for "Elite forces". The Militia versions are "less efficient and bulkier". These guns use those stats. Because when you want to issue weapons to elite forces, you KNOW elite means "less efficient and bulkier" - when only the absolute shittiest will do. I also like how this position has shifted over time: By design -> Team Kong will take a look at it -> nothing -> By design parroting a recent alogical post about variants that ignores everything else It makes me think everyone that works there is pants-on-head-******** or afraid of databases. Or just digging their heels in on stupid and making excuses for the fact that no one can be bothered to fix simple errors. Militia and BPO Scramblers have greater power draw than specialist versions like the Assault Scrambler and have the same fitting as a MLT SMG despite have lower fitting reqs than an SMG at standard? Makes total sense. Treat those paying customers well. I'm glad I can continue to warn people not to try this game while stuff remains unfixed.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2953	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:16:00 - [44] - Quote The package going away seems like a way to justify never fixing things to me. Kinda like the Burnscar pistol has no unique color/texture, but it's a non-problem on their end because you can't buy it anymore.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2959	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:49:00 - [45] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: Only good thing about these items is I can sell them to blueberries as standard gear and not get into trouble. Someday maybe.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2960	Posted - 2013.11.05 04:17:00 - [46] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Not even a lousy blue tag... I think CCP should work on their customer service!!!! If they don't support the customers, what's the point in developing anymore content. It would be nice if they didn't screw the people giving them the most money. Seems like a poor business strategy.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2986	Posted - 2013.11.06 13:10:00 - [47] - Quote The response from the weekly feedback makes me wonder if they do more than skim the first post.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3009	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:16:00 - [48] - Quote
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3023	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:17:00 - [49] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: "Broken and senseless by design" So it would seem. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3050	Posted - 2013.11.14 07:06:00 - [50] - Quote Dread Pirate Iskandar wrote: Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: "Broken and senseless by design" That's a good alt name. Join my cult.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3063	Posted - 2013.11.19 13:19:00 - [51] - Quote /sigh Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3070	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:40:00 - [52] - Quote I think the fact they're not sold anymore is the sort of thing that makes people forget about the issue over time. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3076	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:04:00 - [53] - Quote The same would be true of the Templar gear... it's somewhat limited. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3082	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 - [54] - Quote It is indeed frustrating. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3085	Posted - 2013.12.04 20:27:00 - [55] - Quote So, this wasn't in the 1.7 patch notes... (not that I really expected it to be) Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3092	Posted - 2013.12.21 00:46:00 - [56] - Quote I'm going to assume this wasn't fixed in 1.7. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3095	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:35:00 - [57] - Quote All I want for Christmas... Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3098	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:44:00 - [58] - Quote All I want for the new year... Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3105	Posted - 2014.01.05 20:56:00 - [59] - Quote Well.. the commando needs more than a little buff or database adjustment, unfortunately. The hp boost was nice, but doesn't address the core issues. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3127	Posted - 2014.01.11 04:21:00 - [60] - Quote So, this still needs to be fixed. Let me reiterate that the items in question are: Listed as standard. Described as used by "elite" forces. Meta Level 3 (higher than standard, but given MLT stats). Join my cult.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3128	Posted - 2014.01.11 06:25:00 - [61] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: So, this still needs to be fixed. Let me reiterate that the items in question are: Listed as standard. Described as used by "elite" forces. Meta Level 3 (higher than standard, but given MLT stats). You didn't get the memo did you.... They determined this was by design. That means nothing. They determined that treating the MAG suits as "event" items instead of purchased items for the purposes of the AUR reimbursal around game launch was "by design". Enough people spoke out about how many people had actually purchased them, etc. And the stock response from GMs (this is by design) got changed. Them calling this "by design" merely means they haven't actually looked at the issue, understood it, or anything remotely like that. The most recent developer reply of it being "by design" focused on exactly one part of the argument - that the text description about it being standard wasn't necessarily indicative that the item would be. Aside from being stupid, it ignores all the other evidence and parts of the argument. They straw-manned an issue rather than deal with it intelligently after sitting on it for months. I continue to revisit this topic because it's necessary until the devs are capable of answering the argument in full rather than dismissing the concerns of the people that have invested more than anyone else in Dust universe. Many game makers are made to be accountable for concerns of customers who purchased their $60 game. People with these weapon issues paid over 50% more than those plebes, and not for a game... no, for items. Those items being screwed is slapping those people in the face. The product that cost $100 (or $150 for the collector's) was not a game, it was in-game items. It speaks to trust in the company. It's a free-to-play game. You don't "HAVE" to give them anything. For what reason should anyone ever give them money in the future if when trusted with the largest possible sum, they pissed in your face? That's why this is important. It's the principle. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3300	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:48:00 - [62] - Quote Indeed. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3300	Posted - 2014.01.25 10:12:00 - [63] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: A developer has already stated that "standard" refers to the type, not tier. For example, they aren't Tactical, Assault or Breach. They're Standard. I recall, but he ignored the rest of it. The items are Meta level 1 (above Militia/at standard), and the Templar gear is actually Meta level 3 (above standard). The rest of the Dren gear actually matches the Meta 1 equivalent. The Templar gear does as well for the most part, with the exception of the pieces that actually exceed standard (the droplink and the laser). Every other BPO released for purchase through a Merc pack of some kind has been an exact STD-level equivalent item (e.g. - Exile, Syndicate, Toxin, Dragonfly, Covenant, the OTHER Dren Stuff, etc.). As a purchaser not given more explicit information, it would be reasonable to assume that the items you'd receive would be the same in that respect. In fact, that sort of things informs our purchasing decisions. Someone purchasing the Dren pack that had previously made other purchases would have an incentive to want to purchase a "STD" level Swarm Launcher and Scrambler Pistol - these items had not been previously released. A person that was so inclined could already purchase a Militia quality Scrambler Pistol and Swarm Launcher (both had Militia BPOs). Thus, the whole pack if not corrected serves as a bait-n-switch. "Everything we've ever released in a bundle has been of standard grade. This bundle will seemingly let you upgrade from the Militia-grade BPOs." Surprise! You got ripped off and you have two BPOs that are militia-quality. Both of these bait-n-switch sets of digital items (with respect to the Templar Scrambler, Dren Scrambler, and Dren Swarm) were the most expensive buy-in of any digital bundles. $100 for the Dren gear, and $150 for the Templar gear. The descriptions both call the weapons "standard", and in the case of the Dren, they're also "issued to Elite forces". It's understandable that this doesn't set it apart or mean it's identical to a standard scrambler pistol (you might actually infer they'd be better from the description). What is perhaps more salient is the description of a Militia Scrambler pistol: "standard issue scrambler pistol that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants." The Militia Scrambler is set apart for being crappier basically - less efficient and bulkier. We're asked to believe that the elite forces and the templar's weapons are both identical in make to a pistol that's specifically described as less efficient and bulkier than other pistols? Which pistols? Is it less efficient and bulkier than pistols issues to elite forces? No. It's just as good. Is it less efficient and bulkier than a the standard pistol issued to the Templars? No, it's just as good. To sum up: We have issues of failing to handle buyers expectations or communicate the stats of items in bundles. There's a huge mismatch in item quality between those items and everything else released in a merc pack (BPO-wise) EVER. It seems fundamentally dishonest. The items themselves indicate by meta-level (and comparison with accompanying items, e.g. - other Templar/Dren gear) and description that they should be better than militia-grade (literally the worst items) in the game. It is this combination of factors, and not the word "standard" that this hinges upon. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3304	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:25:00 - [64] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: There not going to change the stats. Dren has had this problem for months. Many threads have been made CCPs is committed to screwing us over. I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but I think the sunk cost warrants making people aware considering how they were willing to screw the best-paying of their customers in a free-to-play game. It servers as a buyer-beware for people that haven't heard of the issue to limit their trust of financial transactions with them. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3334	Posted - 2014.02.06 05:09:00 - [65] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: You changed the OP. Bound to happen sometime. It apparently needed some clarifications as far as the issues. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3427	Posted - 2014.02.11 16:03:00 - [66] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: If you can't fit the BPO Scrambler pistol fit the standard BPC scrambler pistol.. GOSHHHH.. is it really that hard. Yeah... and if the damage is too low on the recruit SMG, you can always just use the militia one. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3427	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:44:00 - [67] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: The point is you can fit it.. or you can't... When I can't fit it I use the Standard. It's a Blue Print that's the price you pay for having a blueprint. There is nothing wrong with the stat you guys need to get over yourselves. The point is they were billed as standard, they have meta above standard, every merc-pack item has been standard, and these have been glaring exceptions seemingly sold under false premises. Everyone that has come across this issue is already aware that a standard scrambler, etc. will fit -- that's precisely the point. These items have been made exceptions. If you want an exact standard AR, SMG, Sniper Rifle, or Shotgun - they've obliged. These items are exceptions with bundles of only-standard items. If you've discovered that standard scramblers are easier to fit than militia, that's great. You go do that. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3464	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:33:00 - [68] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Sending my likes. Thank you for your support. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3591	Posted - 2014.02.26 13:46:00 - [69] - Quote This came up in general again recently, the issue isn't dead... as many Templar code purchasers are discovering the MLT stats on the meta 3 Scrambler there I suppose. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3697	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:09:00 - [70] - Quote These are still wrong. You were perfectly willing to hand STD level fittings to people using SMGs, ARs, Sniper Rifles, and Shotguns. It's just that Swarm Launcher and Scrambler Pistol specifically you seem to be taking issue with. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3770	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:09:00 - [71] - Quote Melai For'Aiur wrote: Close to a year now, isn't it? For the Dren... not to far off of a year. The Templar release was more recent, unless you count the Templar event, the fact the items were used in the event, and... the fact they refused to answer questions about the event/Templar equipment prior to it being released with the crap stats. This is despite being asked about the Templar Scrambler stats specifically in reference to the fitting/stats issue. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3815	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:12:00 - [72] - Quote Fanfest is just around the corner, and that's a 1 year anniversary of incorrect stats, misleading sales, and broken promises! Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3866	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:25:00 - [73] - Quote Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Fanfest is just around the corner, and that's a 1 year anniversary of incorrect stats, misleading sales, and broken promises! I'm sure there'll be more to come. Well, the "what" of Fanfest remains to be seen I guess. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3873	Posted - 2014.04.13 18:50:00 - [74] - Quote In this case though, actual money was spent as well. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3880	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:59:00 - [75] - Quote Aran Abbas wrote: I think some official statement was made regarding the stats, that they're not incorrect and won't be changed. Basically, "F**k You, Got Mine" Yeah, I note the official statements (and the back and forth on it) and the shallow reading they apparently had of the original complaints. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3922	Posted - 2014.05.08 06:29:00 - [76] - Quote I'm guessing the odds of stuff like this getting rectified are even slimmer given the torpedoing of the game development as a whole. Dren&Templar Tragedy.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3935	Posted - 2014.07.09 18:46:00 - [77] - Quote I'll admit that I'd be impressed to see old issues like this corrected. Dren&Templar Tragedy.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3947	Posted - 2014.09.14 14:59:00 - [78] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: Hallelujah!!!!!! Scrambler Pistols are fixed!!!!!!!!!!!! Just in time to buy some more BPO's!!! They finally got fixed? Wow. I mean, I'm not sure if it's enough to justify reinstalling Dust on my PS3 that got back from repair, but... better late than never? Dren&Templar Tragedy.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3947	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:51:00 - [79] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Teeee Bone wrote: Hallelujah!!!!!! Scrambler Pistols are fixed!!!!!!!!!!!! Just in time to buy some more BPO's!!! They finally got fixed? Wow. I mean, I'm not sure if it's enough to justify reinstalling Dust on my PS3 that got back from repair, but... better late than never? Yeah, i'm trying to get them to fix the dren swarm launcher too. I believe dust is turning out to be very balanced, although the hopes and dreams have been destroyed it's still worth playing in my opinion. Huh. That's an odd omission, if they were set on fixing the BPOs. Dren&Templar Tragedy.

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