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I AM TacoBueno wrote:

Ok, first how the f*** do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it.

Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill.

Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense....

Also to the jacka** that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much.

There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great.

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I AM TacoBueno Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.09.27 04:37:00 - [1] - Quote Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it. Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1351	Posted - 2013.09.27 04:45:00 - [2] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: 1-Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? 2-Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. 3-Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... 4-Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. . 1-Its call Profile . Your profile is usually between 45 and 60 without modifications.You can use modules called ''PROFILE DAMPENERS'' to reduce your scan profile and pass unseen by enemy radars. Your profile scan must be LOWER than the enemy's profile PRECISION scan. Also,most suits only have 10mts of profile scan so its pretty easy to pass undetected at least until you are very close,the problem is when you get scanned by an active sanner (you will get a YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED message).This have very good scan precision and range. 2-This is because of the distance something (a rock,an antenna,box,even some terrain) is between you and the enemy sniper but since you are too far away the game in its current state does not show it in your screen.You are actually shooting at floor...lol 3-They are trying to take the enemy CRU (Clone Reanimation Unit). Cover them while taking it.thats what they expect from you. 5-Sorry no can do. Thats just bad luck XD
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6245	Posted - 2013.09.27 04:52:00 - [3] - Quote A great guide to how scanning works https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110190&find=unread
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 362	Posted - 2013.09.27 05:24:00 - [4] - Quote ESCAPE WHILE YOU CAN!
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 736	Posted - 2013.09.27 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: ESCAPE WHILE YOU CAN! Dude your awesome!
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 736	Posted - 2013.09.27 06:04:00 - [6] - Quote K bud it's like this, your gonna hate this game yet have no clue why you keep playing it so hang in there, being new fkn sucks but once you understand more you ll be ok. Join a good corp with good mercs to learn properly . K so with sneeking, I'm a scout , the guy that ll jump off the rafters an kill you with a pair of knives before you even knew what happened! The reason this can be done is like the guy said above^. I dont know what your suit or skills or sp are at but if I did I could help more, but to be basic: In your skill chart you have 4 things that effect this. Active scanners- equipment slot- makes enemies light up according to db power or the scan( this affects the squad- an is similar to range an precision with more power Precision mods- are personal and work like active scanners but only for you Range amplification mods - increase the range in your radar Profile dampeners- decrease the decibel sound you make decreasing the ability of others finding you The 3 mods have a passive ( don't need mods for increase) percentage that is added to your suit an increased with the % of the mod you apply so read what it does in skills, this applies for most mods. You suit stats have a profile db rate that is stock, investing in these mods increase or decrease these numbers perminantly with the passive percentage of these skills. For example: My scout 45 db Prototype racial scout has a 25 % profile reduction 45x.25=11.25 45-11.25= 33.75 My new scan profile is 33.75 33.75 x my profile dampening level 5 passive skill of 10% Is 33.75x.10=3.75 My new profile db is 30 That means a active scanner has to be able to scan 30 db to light me up for the enemy An a persons precision scan has to be the same for me to show behind them or Infront of them if they don't actually see me. Reducing your profile make s you sneaky , range gives radar distance an precision picks up the db of a enemy even if you can't see them providing your precision is lower than their db. As far as snipers go, your probably out of range. Stay patient, spend sp extremely wisely. Cheers OZAROW
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 736	Posted - 2013.09.27 06:07:00 - [7] - Quote Make a corp application to war ravens, tell snow I sent you, I ll teach you more there, see ya soon
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2013.09.27 16:40:00 - [8] - Quote Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99454&find=unread and other sticking guides on https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=899 can give you lots of useful info.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 917	Posted - 2013.09.27 16:43:00 - [9] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it. Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great. What's a new player doing with a half mil ISK dropship? Are you even able to afford the thing? It's not like he told the game to make it hit you. It just happens.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 27	Posted - 2013.09.27 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it. Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great. that was prolly me with my HAV. sorry

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1017	Posted - 2013.09.27 16:47:00 - [11] - Quote for me it's intuition and practice. I generally get a feeling "I haven't seen a red dot in awhile....they are probably sneaking around to shoot me in the back...yep their he is." the practice part is just constantly looking behind you
Gods Architect SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 538	Posted - 2013.09.27 16:47:00 - [12] - Quote Wow you first post and its a QQ thread. Lets start over I'm Architect how are you?
I AM TacoBueno Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:02:00 - [13] - Quote Whatever Architect, I just don't understand how these things work, you were the only one that wasn't helpful. To everyone else thank you so much, I understand scanning a lot better now, but I'm still confused about the sniping part. I know what you said is true that being so far away there might be objects in front of him that I don't see, but I actually take that in to account every time. The main time that I remember this happening to me was when I was on this high hill or mountain and I looked down at a guy sniping my team mates from right outside this building. I shot two clips into him and he didn't notice, took two or three steps to the left and hit him twice but didn't kill him, there for sure was nothing in the way and nothing in between us. Even if there was I don't think 2 or 3 steps would have been enough to move out of the way of it. To the guy that asked about the dropship. I made a guy and immediately used all of my sp to get assault dropships. I sent the extra isk from my sniper to him to buy them. Dropships are pretty fun to fly, but not fun to lose or have to buy back again and again. On my sniper I'm going straight for the charge sniper I only need about 45-50k sp more until I can get it but I guess I hit my cap for the week because I'm only getting as much as I get in warpoints :( Chase Rowland, I dunno if it was you but I forgive you, like Spkr4theDead said its not like you could even help it. Escape while you can?
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1368	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:10:00 - [14] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Escape while you can? If you love the game you'll soon realise love is a double-edged sword because the longer you stay the more it'll hurt. And there is a graph I like to call the "negativity versus time on forum" graph which is basically a very steep, ascending line. You'll enjoy DUST more if you just join a corporation and play with them in-game. There are plenty who will teach if you show you want to learn. Get a headset, start chatting with some people. Get the news of latest events and patches from those of us who've given up our souls to trawling through these troll-infested swamps that we dare call forums even though we don't even get signatures. Whatever you do, never doubt your mercenary's sanity. The moment you lose sight of what's reality, immortality will only be a living death.
demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention 237	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:18:00 - [15] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it. Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great. 1) someone in his squad or team probably told him you were behind him, most likely you were scanned and didnt notice the message 2) usually it was show blow when firing at an enemy to tell you there is an obstacle in the way 3) drop uplinks are usually very good to camp just pay attention the direction they spawn in looking at and position yourself accordingly 4) most people will actually do this, hack an objective and run away so that they can hack it and you rehack it - more WP means more SP, if you can win while farming SP then awesome i have also ended up that way with a 2.82 w/l ratio while i was actually just trying to farm as much WP as possible 5) if you had a dropship and an RDV comes in either move it bloody fast or wait until the RDV goes away, if you just take off straight into an RDV youre the only one to blame
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 290	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:20:00 - [16] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: To the guy that asked about the dropship. I made a guy and immediately used all of my sp to get assault dropships. I sent the extra isk from my sniper to him to buy them. Dropships are pretty fun to fly, but not fun to lose or have to buy back again and again. Awww. Waste of SP without the mods that make it worthwhile. Militia tech sucks. Read the sticky guides, and get paranoid about how you spend your points. Nothing sucks worse than going on an SP spending spree and realizing too late that you're gimped for months.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 338	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:26:00 - [17] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Ok, first how the f* do people know when I'm behind them? Does it have something to do with scanning? I will walk up behind a guy and then he will just do a 180 and start shooting at me like he somehow knew I was there....kinda pisses me off especially when I didn't shoot, and I get shot in the back all the time from shotgunners and other guys that sneak up on me but it never shows them on the map. I just don't understand it. Also with sniping (this reaaaaaally grinds my gears) sometimes when I am trying to counter snipe another sniper, I will literally get hit markers and see his shield flash, but nothing else, he takes no damage and doesn't even seem to notice he is being shot. This happens to me so much and it is really getting annoying,. I end up wasting two clips getting nothing but these bs hit markers just to have to re-position slightly for my shots to all of a sudden magically work and get the kill. Also it really seems like this game has some of the stupidest players, no offense to anyone in particular but after watching many people walk past enemy spawners (don't know what they are called at the moment) just to get shot in the back, or get shot in the back from a guy that just spawned on one of the spawners, kill him, leave the spawner, and have it repeat again, it just seems stupid. Also I have been in quite a few matches recently where after we just hacked the objective a couple of enemies will come in and hack it back while everyone just leaves???? Like wtf? That makes no sense.... Also to the jacka that spawned his stupid HAV on my 500,000+ isk dropship.....well...I hate you....sooooo much. There are so many other things that I am confused about and would like to know more about but I just can't think of them right now. If anyone could respond with USEFUL information, stories, or advice that would be great. Regarding the sniping issue, I think KING CHECKMATE is a little confused as to what you are on about. I understand he means the whole rendering issue which is a problem in its self. I think you are talking about a problem I have had many times myself while trying to counter snipe. You can have nothing in the way at all, this can be confirmed by knowing the location of any obstructions , even when you are well out of the way. I am unsure if the issue is range or pitch / elevation oriented. Like you say, you can put a whole clip or two into an enemy sniper, see the hit markers but nothing. Then move up a little, down, it really makes no difference and it sure as hell isnt because something that is not rendered is actually in the way. For instance on Manus peak, I have been at objective A firing at an enemy both on our redline hillside as well as their redline hillside (Both sides of the map basically) with absolutely no buildings or structures in the way and have had this issue a few times. Move position or elevation a little and if you are lucky you actually get a shot to do damage. Like I said I am unsure if this is a range problem or possibly even an angle / pitch problem.
DAMIOS82 Unkn0wn Killers 48	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:10:00 - [18] - Quote proberly its a distance falloff type of thing, normally if i have something like that i try aiming slightly above there head or a bit more to the left or right, might take more shots, but normally gett them in the end. Its like a game trying to find where the bullet will hit within the rendering. The further away you are the more out of the box you must think.
I AM TacoBueno Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:05:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah CommanderBolt that is exactly what I'm talking about. Like I know for sure there is nothing in the way because either I know nothing is there on the map or I just check to make sure. One time though this guy kept spawning back at the same reanimation unit to kill me and I kept killing him. But the last time he spawned there he ran behind this huge crate, crouched and scooted to the edge with his sniper. I aimed right for where his head would be if he kept scooting but he stopped with only part of his arm and foot sticking out. Instead of shooting his arm or foot I decided to wait till I saw his head, next thing I know he headshots me without ever showing his whole body it was weird haha. Yeah this game can be really annoying at times but its overall pretty fun. My friend and I are using mass drivers and we love them. Great blast radius and decent damage. They are pretty badass. I should be getting my charge sniper tomorrow though so its back to sniping for a while. Thanks anyways guys, for everything.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 343	Posted - 2013.10.02 00:15:00 - [20] - Quote I AM TacoBueno wrote: Yeah CommanderBolt that is exactly what I'm talking about. Like I know for sure there is nothing in the way because either I know nothing is there on the map or I just check to make sure. One time though this guy kept spawning back at the same reanimation unit to kill me and I kept killing him. But the last time he spawned there he ran behind this huge crate, crouched and scooted to the edge with his sniper. I aimed right for where his head would be if he kept scooting but he stopped with only part of his arm and foot sticking out. Instead of shooting his arm or foot I decided to wait till I saw his head, next thing I know he headshots me without ever showing his whole body it was weird haha. Yeah this game can be really annoying at times but its overall pretty fun. My friend and I are using mass drivers and we love them. Great blast radius and decent damage. They are pretty badass. I should be getting my charge sniper tomorrow though so its back to sniping for a while. Thanks anyways guys, for everything. I know what you mean man. Glad to hear you are having fun. However I dislike mass driver guys and snipers , so yea good luck and bad luck

I AM TacoBueno Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.10.02 00:19:00 - [21] - Quote Hopefully one day we will meet on the battlefield and have a showdown of epic proportions!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 498	Posted - 2013.10.02 00:57:00 - [22] - Quote @OP join D-Uni, we have lots of teachers that will help learn the basics (and some more advanced stuff if you wish) and the when your done at D-Uni, you can go to some of the high caliber corps that are waiting for some fine graduates :)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9157	Posted - 2013.10.02 01:29:00 - [23] - Quote Yup on some fits I know I am being chased or shadowed and set up a trap for them.


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