DUST Search - Is Planetary Conquest at a Stalemate?

RydogV wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Like bamm and hooker said on their video for the eve link, planetary conquest needs to beifit alliances, massively!
There is not enough of a reason for it at the moment, planetary conquest should be something eve allainces want tonhire dust mercs for.

Dust mercs should have an uphill struggle to own land themselves. And the bonuses so rewarding it should be hotly contested.
Eve allainces will pay dust mercs, or recruit them to the allaince in hopes of getting a spot of land.

Then make owning connecting territories worth even more, youll get entire planets being contested for.

I am all for making rewards better for those groups who can pull off large logistical feats like multi corp alliances. But your 'uphill stuggle' theory is backwards thinking. What motivates the little guy? Certainly not being player #1437 in a alliance where he will rarely get the chance to even participate in a PC battle.

Diversity is the key (especially with such a small player base as this game). Players need a chance to challenge themselves and grow on their own. The only way to do that is provide them meaningful competition in smaller, more manageable chunks. And THAT means opening up PC to smaller groups through 8v8 PC Battles on smaller districts providing reduced payouts and rewards.

In a game that is experiencing so many growing pains, exclusion is not the answer. There is a 10 year plan to layer on more complexity and give large corporations and alliances something to strive for. Crawl, Walk, Run. Give the little guy a chance to get big. Then PC will be active again.

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Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 204	Posted - 2013.09.26 03:28:00 - [1] - Quote Out of the 245 districts, roughly 30 districts were attacked today. That's 12% of the districts going under attack. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath I'm noticing that many of these corporations that are holding full planets never see an attack to their planets and districts. What's up with this picture? Did everyone give up? TeamPlayers' nonsensical garbage Planet Fight Club is a bust. One district was attacked today! Two were attacked yesterday. None were attacked the day before. The corporations on that planet just sit on their districts without even fighting each other... That's one heck of a fight club I'm seeing... a whole lot of milking and very little fighting! It would seem to me that no one cares about taking districts anymore. Numbers don't lie. It doesn't seem worth while to even start an attack which is how I'm interpreting the very low numbers of attacks daily. Roughly 88% of the districts are just sitting there doing nothing. Is this what was intended by CCP with the glorious Planetary Conquest? With roughly 12% of the districts (10-15% fluctuating daily - That's less than 45 out of 245 districts being attacked daily) how is this planetary conquest a success? Even with the large metagaming-spam by TeamPlayers working really hard to sustain their glorious Milk-Club on Oedelouf doing absolutely nothing, I still see a failure on the part of CCP to inspire a reason to fight. Thoughts, notions, comments, ideas?
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 2696	Posted - 2013.09.26 03:54:00 - [2] - Quote it could use more competition. someone start a war.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 418	Posted - 2013.09.26 04:19:00 - [3] - Quote EVE sounds like this also. EVE never seems to have big shifts of power and no really big numbers of large fights. Hey! Maybe that is the magic link between DUST and EVE everyone has been looking for? I'm serious. Who would hire us? Would it be enough to keep 3,000 people busy? Munch
dustwaffle The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 587	Posted - 2013.09.26 05:10:00 - [4] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Out of the 245 districts, roughly 30 districts were attacked today. That's 12% of the districts going under attack. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath I'm noticing that many of these corporations that are holding full planets never see an attack to their planets and districts. What's up with this picture? Did everyone give up? TeamPlayers' nonsensical garbage Planet Fight Club is a bust. One district was attacked today! Two were attacked yesterday. None were attacked the day before. The corporations on that planet just sit on their districts without even fighting each other... That's one heck of a fight club I'm seeing... a whole lot of milking and very little fighting! It would seem to me that no one cares about taking districts anymore. Numbers don't lie. It doesn't seem worth while to even start an attack which is how I'm interpreting the very low numbers of attacks daily. Roughly 88% of the districts are just sitting there doing nothing. Is this what was intended by CCP with the glorious Planetary Conquest? With roughly 12% of the districts (10-15% fluctuating daily - That's less than 45 out of 245 districts being attacked daily) how is this planetary conquest a success? Even with the large metagaming-spam by TeamPlayers working really hard to sustain their glorious Milk-Club on Oedelouf doing absolutely nothing, I still see a failure on the part of CCP to inspire a reason to fight. Thoughts, notions, comments, ideas? Don't agree that CCP should do something to promote fights. While it's a bit hypocritical of TP and other big holders of Molden Heath wrt to fight club activity, still, the initiative should come from the players if they want to change the current stale state of affairs .
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3814	Posted - 2013.09.26 05:12:00 - [5] - Quote PC doesn't affect me at all. I need a reason to care.
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 193	Posted - 2013.09.26 05:56:00 - [6] - Quote Well we get attacked on fight club all the time and as far as the bigger corps go im sure people r scared to attack them unless u have god players u wont win and CCP hasent made it so even the little guy can take out the big guys with numbers and we really need that in the game screw fair fights I want a large scale war like in eve
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 344	Posted - 2013.09.26 05:57:00 - [7] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: PC doesn't affect me at all. I need a reason to care. Once again, someone speaks the utter truth of PC.
Chesty Ranger SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.09.26 06:52:00 - [8] - Quote My notification inbox and wallet tells another story...
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 966	Posted - 2013.09.26 12:33:00 - [9] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: EVE sounds like this also. EVE never seems to have big shifts of power and no really big numbers of large fights. Hey! Maybe that is the magic link between DUST and EVE everyone has been looking for? I'm serious. Who would hire us? Would it be enough to keep 3,000 people busy? Munch A failure of game design common to both EVE and DUST atm is the compete lack of small-gang game mechanics and modes when it comes to nullsec/planetary sovereignty. We prolly have a greater opportunity to change that in DUST, tbh. It is a crippling factor in EVE gameplay though, and it would be a tragedy if the same sterile game mode mechanics infected DUST.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 626	Posted - 2013.09.26 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote I like PC but it seems to missing something. If the boards were different from Pubs this would be a good start, it just feels old and stale.

Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 331	Posted - 2013.09.26 13:38:00 - [11] - Quote I bet there would be a war on eve and dust side if we had interaction between the two. An OB is the closest thing to interaction I have seen and is much easier accomplished by warbarging it. Of course having more than one group of fat cats would also help too, where have all the planets gone? Only one line of code to fix this problem, maybe two if CCP decides EON needs to sit out the land grab.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2468	Posted - 2013.09.26 13:58:00 - [12] - Quote Maybe a big chunk of people are on a GTA V break? Maybe people are waiting for mechanics to change or PC to be more meaningful? /shrug
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 368	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:08:00 - [13] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99325
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 310	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:14:00 - [14] - Quote (You know exactly what I am going to say here...) P.C in one word - Abysmal Frame rate? = **** there is no 'rate' just pictures that occasionally change. (No joke my last pc match was running around 5fps or less! 100% honest to god.) Game-mode? - just another skirmish. No incentive for me to play PC ever again. It feels like we took steps back, CCP was beginning to make P.C smoother and more stable in 1.3 as I recall then boom! This game should have been ON A PC that's all I want to say.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 692	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:20:00 - [15] - Quote Well considering every half-decent corp decided to jump on the EoN train, and every PC-able player most likely joined an EoN corp after their own alliance/corp broke down there isn't much competition anymore. I'm not blaming EoN per se because it's basic psychology for good players to want to conglomerate with other good players. My corp, for example, has about ~20 PC-ready players but half of them don't come on much or are never on when needed, while someone from an EoN corp can have the same number but have a much larger pool of players to choose from due to being in an alliance. The hardest part about PC is getting people to come on. Attrition is pretty hard on smaller/allianceless corps. So what does that mean? People need to get organized and start practicing with each other. The FEC coalition was a mess because they literally would let anyone into PC matches just to fill it up. A wise philosopher named Socrates once said, "A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house". The reason TeamPlayers are so good is because they are just that, team players. They've been playing with each other for a very long time and work extraordinarily well together. Sure this guy or that guy in TP may not excel individually but that doesn't matter in a game like this. Willingness to support your team goes a long way in succeeding, and there are simply too many corps in this game who expect to go into PC and treat it like another pub match.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:23:00 - [16] - Quote Like bamm and hooker said on their video for the eve link, planetary conquest needs to beifit alliances, massively! There is not enough of a reason for it at the moment, planetary conquest should be something eve allainces want tonhire dust mercs for. Dust mercs should have an uphill struggle to own land themselves. And the bonuses so rewarding it should be hotly contested. Eve allainces will pay dust mercs, or recruit them to the allaince in hopes of getting a spot of land. Then make owning connecting territories worth even more, youll get entire planets being contested for.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1394	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:33:00 - [17] - Quote In eve numbers matter in Dust514 you top 16 is all u need that's why PC is a bust tbh if they up the match count to 64 players dust would properly become a lot more fun as teamwork overrides all stars
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 374	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:33:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Like bamm and hooker said on their video for the eve link, planetary conquest needs to beifit alliances, massively! There is not enough of a reason for it at the moment, planetary conquest should be something eve allainces want tonhire dust mercs for. Dust mercs should have an uphill struggle to own land themselves. And the bonuses so rewarding it should be hotly contested. Eve allainces will pay dust mercs, or recruit them to the allaince in hopes of getting a spot of land. Then make owning connecting territories worth even more, youll get entire planets being contested for. I am all for making rewards better for those groups who can pull off large logistical feats like multi corp alliances. But your 'uphill stuggle' theory is backwards thinking. What motivates the little guy? Certainly not being player #1437 in a alliance where he will rarely get the chance to even participate in a PC battle. Diversity is the key (especially with such a small player base as this game). Players need a chance to challenge themselves and grow on their own. The only way to do that is provide them meaningful competition in smaller, more manageable chunks. And THAT means opening up PC to smaller groups through 8v8 PC Battles on smaller districts providing reduced payouts and rewards. In a game that is experiencing so many growing pains, exclusion is not the answer. There is a 10 year plan to layer on more complexity and give large corporations and alliances something to strive for. Crawl, Walk, Run. Give the little guy a chance to get big. Then PC will be active again.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:37:00 - [19] - Quote RydogV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Like bamm and hooker said on their video for the eve link, planetary conquest needs to beifit alliances, massively! There is not enough of a reason for it at the moment, planetary conquest should be something eve allainces want tonhire dust mercs for. Dust mercs should have an uphill struggle to own land themselves. And the bonuses so rewarding it should be hotly contested. Eve allainces will pay dust mercs, or recruit them to the allaince in hopes of getting a spot of land. Then make owning connecting territories worth even more, youll get entire planets being contested for. I am all for making rewards better for those groups who can pull off large logistical feats like multi corp alliances. But your 'uphill stuggle' theory is backwards thinking. What motivates the little guy? Certainly not being player #1437 in a alliance where he will rarely get the chance to even participate in a PC battle. Diversity is the key (especially with such a small player base as this game). Players need a chance to challenge themselves and grow on their own. The only way to do that is provide them meaningful competition in smaller, more manageable chunks. And THAT means opening up PC to smaller groups through 8v8 PC Battles on smaller districts providing reduced payouts and rewards. In a game that is experiencing so many growing pains, exclusion is not the answer. There is a 10 year plan to layer on more complexity and give large corporations and alliances something to strive for. Crawl, Walk, Run. Give the little guy a chance to get big. Then PC will be active again. Oh yeah like the guys said thats for null sec, let the smaller guys duke it out in molden heath! But you see we also need to follow eve mentality as well, 1 man can achieve a lot, if he knows what hes doing!! I mean AWOXING an allaince as a dust merc should be possible!
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:39:00 - [20] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: In eve numbers matter in Dust514 you top 16 is all u need that's why PC is a bust tbh if they up the match count to 64 players dust would properly become a lot more fun as teamwork overrides all stars How about 1024v1024? Its possible on the maps! But not the performance . . . . Yet

demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention 226	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:10:00 - [21] - Quote or we could just, limit the ammount of districts any single corp or alliance can hold
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 2703	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:23:00 - [22] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: or we could just, limit the ammount of districts any single corp or alliance can hold and then everyone in my corp can become corp leaders with subcorps and share a channel to ring for each other. cool idea.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2457	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:24:00 - [23] - Quote I think every remaining player should get a district. Heck, if all we're going to do is farm, may as well share.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 350	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:28:00 - [24] - Quote As in the original PC thread I would like to see the ability to infiltrate districts and blow up facilities e.g. Clone warehouses etc and hack the timer on the attack window and change it to a more convenient time. This could be done by between 1-6 players. This way small groups can get involved and really mess with the big alliances especially if they have no or limited warning it is happening.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 350	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 - [25] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I think every remaining player should get a district. Heck, if all we're going to do is farm, may as well share. Yay, my own little home from home
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 246	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:34:00 - [26] - Quote Tried to take my "indie" corp against other "indie" corps 4 or 5 times only to find top 10 corps making up the entire other team. I think I'll wait for an overhaul instead of spinning my wheels. Considering I won't break from a 0 tax rate and all our ISK comes from donations, I'm more cautious about how it is spent. Now, if only the U.S. Federal Government worked this way...
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1396	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:36:00 - [27] - Quote Or allow raiding to steal clones could even make a ctf game mode out of it littary steal the clones :-D
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1397	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:45:00 - [28] - Quote Or allow raiding to steal clones could even make a ctf game mode out of it littary steal the clones :-D
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1286	Posted - 2013.09.26 16:18:00 - [29] - Quote Send me some ISK I'll start a war... To whoever suggested awoxing you better have plenty of AWOXers because an AWOXer can only be used once...
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 989	Posted - 2013.09.26 16:53:00 - [30] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Out of the 245 districts, roughly 30 districts were attacked today. That's 12% of the districts going under attack. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath I'm noticing that many of these corporations that are holding full planets never see an attack to their planets and districts. What's up with this picture? Did everyone give up? TeamPlayers' nonsensical garbage Planet Fight Club is a bust. One district was attacked today! Two were attacked yesterday. None were attacked the day before. The corporations on that planet just sit on their districts without even fighting each other... That's one heck of a fight club I'm seeing... a whole lot of milking and very little fighting! It would seem to me that no one cares about taking districts anymore. Numbers don't lie. It doesn't seem worth while to even start an attack which is how I'm interpreting the very low numbers of attacks daily. Roughly 88% of the districts are just sitting there doing nothing. Is this what was intended by CCP with the glorious Planetary Conquest? With roughly 12% of the districts (10-15% fluctuating daily - That's less than 45 out of 245 districts being attacked daily) how is this planetary conquest a success? Even with the large metagaming-spam by TeamPlayers working really hard to sustain their glorious Milk-Club on Oedelouf doing absolutely nothing, I still see a failure on the part of CCP to inspire a reason to fight. Thoughts, notions, comments, ideas? Just because there isn't a huge war going on right now does not mean PC is a failure..... I mean EVE online was at a stalemate for months before anything happened. Besides its not like conflict in PC actually effects anybody but the people who lose. I mean aside from the raw isk output districts get. Nobody really gains any sort of benefit from holding land aside from bragging rights. And I mean..... bragging is nice, but the isk right now is useless for the most part. (nothing to spend it on).



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