My only minor gripe is the Gal logi bonus. Should they get a bonus to Caldari tech? I understand that Gallente ideology puts a greater importance on human life and so they're more inclined use them, but we're not great fans of using Caldari tech.

(Btw, I don't have an answer. Just putting the question out there. :P)

Small correction for you.

The min assault is currently sidearm clip size not hacking as you've claimed.
I'd also advice sticking with the theme and keeping all the assaults with a tanking racial bonus. CCP can make another specialisation for the melee one.

Reposted from a thread I just made, but it's relevant here:
The Amarr Assault 5% heat reduction per level is out of line with other racial suit bonuses. It's the only dropsuit skill that provides a direct DPS increase (to the LR) and a sustained DPS increase (SCR). Therefore, using any other suit with those weapons, or other weapons with that suit, is effectively penalized. My Amarr Logi should be able to use the LR just as well as my assault comrades, instead of having to sacrifice a magical land of bonus damage in exchange for equipment slots. The LR either has to be slightly UP without the Amarr assault or slightly OP with it- there's no good way to balance a weapon whose damage is directly affected by choice of suit. I don't know what the Amarr assault bonus should be changed to, but the current state is bad. Thoughts?

A few things.

Good overall, but I need to point out that Uplinks should never, EVER be cloaked from the map. If you want to try and convince me otherwise, please try, you have a wonderful way with words.

The Hacking bonus on the Minmatar Logi makes sense because Logi's are group support. Therefore, the guys they support fight while the Logi hacks. Not saying a Ninjahacker suit doesn't make sense, but there is the sound logic behind the Minmatar Logi bonus... although I would rather have a rep tool bonus...

Finally, Minmatar bonus to MELEE? Howaboutno? I can think of better things, even if a few of them are relying on Soon features.
10% faster projectile charge swapping speed, to swap from EMP rounds to Titanium Sabot, or other combos, in their native guns. Somewhat similar to the Amarr bonus.
The current sidearm bonus, but maybe slightly larger and only for Minmatar sidearms like the SMG.
Maybe a speed bonus? Not fond of it as we already have scouts, but it is very Minmatar...

I also noticed that AV has effectively been shunted over to the Heavy class suits, which I approve of. Commando gets bonuses for the light AV and Heavy IS the Heavy AV. Assaults have the small damage buff, but the Commando will have the real edge giving them a definitive set of roles. Also, Sentinel looks pretty skimpy, but they aren't really giving you much to work with there so it's understandable. Could give the MinHeav a similar Charge Swap bonus as I outlined for MinAssa though.

Like the bulk of it though. If you reply please like this post so I'll have a message, I'm going to bed naow.

First, the Amarr logi has a sidearm slot- it's meant to be the most combat-ready logi. All logis, especially the Amarr, are meant to have non-trivial offensive capabilities. Logis do support, but that's by no means their only job. I should be able to use the LR just as well as an Amarr Assault because this restriction does not apply to any other weapon. I was certainly not saying that the Amarr Logi is less powerful overall than the Amarr assault.

All that's required to circumvent the initial build up time is a little LR preheating behind cover. Or, to put it a different way, the Amarr assault bonus makes a standard LR in their hands perform better than an ADV LR on any other suit.

For the SCR, it actually is very different than a straight clip size increase. The SCR's burst DPS, both with charge shots and uncharged shots, vastly outstrips any other weapon, including the AR. The balancing factor is the heat generation. While reduced heat generation, like clip size, does simply mean that you can fire for longer at a time, the effect on the SCR is very different than the effect on a SMG/SCP/FP. Waiting for heat to reduce is not at all the same as reloading, as you can charge the SCR during that time, or sprint, or throw grenades.

In comparison to the shield extender bonus or the Gal assault, the issue with the Amarr bonus is its extremely specific nature. Stronger shields or saving some PG/CPU is universally good and can be used in every situation, while heat reduction is either useless or incredibly good depending on your choice of weapon.

I posted some thoughs on Tech 1 / Tech 2 bonuses a week or so ago. I put them with some Amarr suits to help illustrate the point.

Assault and Logi:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1283162#post1283162

Here they are for Scouts:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1285669#post1285669

A few thoughts:

A good Assault bonus could be 5% bonus to RoF per level. This is a DPS increase, but also makes it so that Assaults have to reload more often. I put this on my Tech 2 Assaults (in the above threads) to give them a specialized damage boost but keep them reliant on others to provide nanohives and such (my Tech 2 Assaults don't have equipment).

Also, a shield recharge rate bonus over an extenders bonus for the Caldari is perfect. In EVE the Caldari often passive tank their shields, relying on recharge rate to keep them ahead of the damage (Drake). This would go well here in DUST.

Finally, I hope that we get other suits with differing bonuses within the same "class". So two Caldari "Assault" suits; one that benefits CQC hybrid damage and provides and extender bonus (for brawling) and one that benefits range and provides a recharge bonus (for range). Again, just like ships in EVE. The Caldari have a bunch of Frigates, and they all have different bonuses that make them work better in some situations than others.

I'd probably change the shield recharge rate bonus to shield recharger efficacy and give the bonus to the Minmatar. Minmatar heavy will probably the the squishiest but have a crazy shield regen. Caldari heavy should have the highest shield buffer with a 5% extender bonus.

Again, you should probably try to better generalize logi bonuses for a variety of equipment. The bonuses you have listed would be more fitting for more specialized logistic suit roles in the future.

That's a horrible bonus for gallente, and i don't mean cause it's op i mean cause it's under powered, a measly 1 %, no i think that gallente needs to get something like an armor repair bonus, or a resistance against other plasma weapons/weapons that damage armor.

Survivability as a logistics player is key to being able to do their job. Bonuses to their racial survivability source make sense.

Amarr are dual tanked.
Caldari are shield tanked.
Gallente are armor tanked.
Minmatar are speed tanked.


What you have suggested other than amarr would be more fitting as proficiency skills.

Besides that the skills are only useful in pub matches. In a PC match:
- Nobody lives long enough to need more ammo(and chances are that if a hive is dropped it will be destroyed before it uses it's standard amount of clusters - especially now that WP will be gained for destroying equipment).
- Nobody uses injectors as it's usually a suicide mission.
- Very few players use repair tools(even more so now when you can't see friendly health).

Equipment/module/weapon specific bonuses are bad because not everyone uses those items plus their dubious value in end game matches.

The racial bonuses you have suggested would equal a double nerf to logistics players(removing armor repair and giving players a useless racial skill).

General bonuses over specific bonuses are what should be looked at. Things that are useful regardless of your fitting.

Maybe for Caldari the shield becomes hardened vs anti shield weaponry by 1% per level, something similar for Gallente, the Minmatar mobility suggestion I posted earlier.

I hate to ask, but what is a repair tool? Let the flaming begin...Nanohives FTW. BTW there is no good reason to use a repair tool unless you want one member of a squad without a weapon in their hands when I come to shoot them.

I like the hacking bonus, go mess with someone else's racial variant.

I was thinking about the logi suits and while I do like your suggested bonuses Kage, I actually think they might be better off with some reps. Just because if they're always healing/supporting everyone else, there's no one to be healing them. Since they can't shoot themselves with their rep tool (yet), it kinda makes sense to give them some passive armor reps. So how about just giving the dropsuits themselves an armor repair rate of 1HP/s or something like that, just like the Minmatar assault suit. Of course, this would also mean thinking of a new passive bonus for the Amarr logi, unless you just wanna keep it and let the reps stack.

Currently all dropsuits have a base armor repair rate of 0.0 (except minmatar non-logistics). Dropsuits that are better suited to armor tanking could have a base higher armor repair rate.

This is an example of what it could be like:
Light Frames
Caldari: 0
Minmatar: 0
Amarr: 1
Galente: 2

Medium Frames Logistics base skill should not give a base repair rate for this to work.
Caldari: 0
Minmatar: 1
Armarr: 2
Gallente: 3

Heavy Frames
Caldary: 1
Minmatar: 2
Amarr: 3
Galente: 4

This is needed because for armor tanking, one needs to put armor repairs to be viable and 1 repper is usaully is not enough, and using multiple reppers greatly reduces tanking capabilities. By comparison, shield tankers can end up with similar amounts of HP, and still have a much higher regeneration rate. So, the more armor-based a suit is, the more it needs inherent repair rates.

Actually, what it does is kills versatility in a role designed for diversity.

I did some thinking on the logistics bonuses and like I mentioned earlier in the topic, the need to be more generalized while being equipment oriented instead of tied down to a single piece of equipment that you're not always going to carry given the circumstances you need to adapt to in a single battle. Also, we're going to get more equipment at some point and for a class meant to use equipment, shouldn't their bonuses affect as much of it as possible?

Gallente: +5% to equipment range per level. Instead of being tied to one thing, you get a bonus that can affect the effective range of nanohives, reppers, the active scanner, the blast radius for REs/Mines and can fit with other equipment we might get later like target painters, bubble shields, webifiers... etc.

Amarr: +5% to armor repair module efficacy per level. Honestly, there's really nothing wrong with the Amarr bonus. It fits with the suit as an assault/logi hybrid and since it affects armor repair on a suit that only gets 4 low slots at prototype it's not overpowering. The only change I would make is to extend that bonus to reactive plates as well to add more flexability to the suit's armor tanking options.

Caldari: -5% to equipment cooldown per level. Similar to the Gallete, this would affect a broader range of equipment instead of one thing, but just like the Gallente, focus on reusable equipment. This would apply to the active scanner, but later down the road any and all equipment that would have a cooldown like anything EWAR related.

Before I go into the Minmatar bonus, I still don't see what the issue is for a suit bonus that only works in 2/3 of the game's available modes. I'd rather keep the hacking bonus since it's what everyone wants logistics to be- non combat oriented. But if the bonus has to go, I'd suggest something like this.

Minmatar: +5% to deployed equipment carried per level. At max level this would affect how many nanohives, uplinks, and later on bubble shields, proximity scanners, decoys, or any other deployed equipment that would come into the game.

Did you consider a bonus to Assault Damage with light weapons?

I know it sounds pretty silly but I always thought of the assault suit like the wasp while the logi was the bee.

Wasps by common stero type and thin and lithe, they dart about with a painful sting, which they can use again and again and again.

Bee's/ Bumble Bees are the slower, more clumsy, by more formidable in stature, sting once, but fulfil a supporting role in the hive.

I just imagined the Assault would have high DPS, but low EHP and require logi support to stay alive, coupling that with their relative speed over the other suits, while Logis would be higher EHP, but low a DPS, harder to kill but more resilient in a fight

Those ideas weren't etched in stone, just something to show you the kind of flexibility the bonuses need. Bonuses to specific pieces of equipment is the ultimate dud a lot of logistics players are dreading. For example, I'm a Minmatar logi and I rarely use my repper and focus more on triage hives. A repair tool bonus would be as useful for me as a screen door on a submarine. Also, I was thinking ahead on the different types of equipment we may eventually be getting in hopes that when the bonuses do change we'll have more gear to show for it as well.

The hacking bonus actually is pretty in line with the logi suit when you think about it. All the Minmatar suits are built for guerrilla hit and run tactics. Assaults make great flankers, scouts (used to) make great alpha damage assassins, and the logi is an excellent infiltrator and trapper. The heavy will most likely wind up having the lowest EHP, but the highest shield recharge rate, lowest delay and most mobility.

I do not feel that is right given the state of the AR which ignores the rules of Blaster tech

I like these suggestions as they are useful without being specific while being focused on equipment.

For a third idea what about an equipment cool down reduction. It would be very useful for active scanners(maybe too useful) but would also affect uplinks(I have no idea why they have a cool down) and explosives(there will likely be future equipment with cool downs as well).

This is a very good suggestion in my opinion
The skill bonuses I've seen while I was playing seem to be very haphazard, with the same specialization promoting completely random playstyles depending on race.

I also noticed, however, that a large portion of your ideas were based on as-yet-unannounced gear items, specifically melee weapons. I have an idea, but I wish to remain on-topic, so I'll probably post a new thread with the suggestion.

I believe I heard somewhere that they were going to add perks/skills to using race weapons with characters (nothing drastic like a damage boost for instance, just reflecting their combined origin / familiarity - less kick?)
And I think the Min scouts + logi's would be upset with the skill changes - doesn't reflect the lore. Scouts are close combat experts

Incidental the lore is also why Commando's can punch like a a runaway freight train and break a light frame in one swing

I think I'd be more comfortable with Assaults getting a 5% reduction to CPU/PG of all Light Weapons and Sidearms. It would allow them to fit higher tier weapons while still giving room for better Slot fittings.

The idea of Duvolle Assault Rifle with 15% proficiency bonus, and a 10% Suit bonus, combined with Damage Mods really doesn't appeal to me.

Unless my math is completely wrong, (a possibility I fully admit to) with 2 Complex Damage Mods it would be doing 56.57 damage wit ha 707.12 DPS. 37.4 base for the Duvolle, plus 15% for Prof Skill (43.01), plus 10% for the Suit bonus (47.31) plus 10% for the first Damage Mod (52.04) plus 8.7%(?) for the second Damage Mod equals 56.57 damage per shot, times 12.5 rounds per second ROF makes it 707.12 DPS.

I think this bonus could push the damage output of one Class above what any other class can take, or dish out in return.

Maybe change the skill to speed increase for equipment. Hives would pulse faster(same amount of clusters with the same amount of ammo replenished but simply faster), uplinks would spawn quicker, scan rate would be quicker but time showing would remain the same. There is an overlap with the repair tool and the efficacy option(efficacy repairs more, but this one repairs more often - should equal out to be the same amount repaired over the same time period). Perhaps this could be used in conjunction with cool downs but it may not be necessary.

It's basically overclocking your equipment.

Agreed. Good work. Logis are in great condition.


I do have a few suggestions though:

Gallente Assault may become too powerful with the extra damage percentage. Considering that many of the weapons are slow to reload and have high DPS or alpha damage maybe a reduction to reload time would be an option.

Conversely the commando reload speed isn't as useful as I presume the player will switch to their other weapon when one is depleted. The damage increase for racial light weapons may fit better for commandos as they are light weapon specialists.

I'm actually thinking about how powerful the AR is now that hit detection has been improved. We are going to end up with a predominant amount of players going Gallente assault simply because the AR gets a bonus to damage(it will be like the Caldari logi suit all over again).

Reload speed doesn't seem to fit with the commando. I'm not sure what would be a useful skill for it though.

I'd say keep the hacking bonus anyway. Probably the best non-combat bonus in the game and it's been a staple of the Minmatar suit since its inception. Only difference is it got buffed and became a listed bonus in uprising.

I would not give any damage bonus in this game. you already die very fast and a damage bonus which do not suffer from stacking penalty is not the right way imho...

Is it just me or is this topic just another nerf logi campaign?

How come everyone that says a logi is a better assault never backs that up with anything mathematical? How come nobody ever realized it was one suit (Caldari) that was this uber assault people talked about? How come a hacking bonus is somehow not logi enough? I specced into Minmatar logi over the Gallente for the versatility in slot layout and the hacking bonus. Find me someone that says the hacking bonus killed them, and maybe I'll change my mind, but in the meantime, you're just attacking something people invested SP into. Make sure you think about that before shifting bonuses around.

Why did you feel the need to change the equipment speed bonus for the Minmatar logi to a relatively useless carried equipment bonus? There's no point in carrying 7 of something if I can only deploy 2 at a time.

You're underestimating how useful faster equipment would be.

As for increasing the number of active equipment I don't think it should be done(at least not per level - as much as I'd like to build a giant Alfred E. Neuman out of uplinks it would be too much). That and too much deployed equipment lags the game(although we can hopefully ignore that as it will likely get fixed).

How about this?
Level 1: +1 Carried
Level 2: +1 Deployed
Level 3: +1 Carried
Level 4: +1 Deployed
Level 5: +1 Carried

You would end up with 3 extra carried and 2 extra deployable. This would keep it useful without it being too powerful.

I would accept that or faster equipment(they would be equally useful to me). That being said extra equipment would be more useful to more players.



While I would miss the hacking speed I would find either of the above more useful more of the tume(I would be spending the exorbitant amount of SP to get Codebreaking up to level 5).

Blah blah bleeeeehhhhh I'm just a hater, and my breath smells like old fungus socks. I don't respect KAGEHOSHI's obvious supreme higher intellect.

This is better than your originally proposed change but I think you are avoiding the real reason for your reluctance to have a hacking buff on the Minmatar Logi suit. I don't think the suit needs any change unless it is to add the buff you propose to the suit. Taking away the current hacking bonus is not an answer but adding additional bonuses for a Logi suit would help offset the sheer cost to deploy with Proto gear (Proto Everything). Currently an all proto logi suit (RT, Injector, hives, links, weapon, armor/shields, scanner, damage mods/codebreakers) costs close to 300,000 isk. For someone to be running all the good stuff and buffing their team with all this good equipment they should given a reward for using this stuff that helps both the team and themselves. The hacking bonus combined with the 50% increase to max equip carried and deployed would do just that. It doesn't make them a killer but rather than being forced to resupply when hives or links are depleted they could continue to be a roaming supply center for a good deal longer and would still be helpful when hacking installations like they always have been.

You sir are wrong, and still avoiding the issue. A scout would get there quick, hack quick and run circles around the map constantly jacking points while the logi bro acts like a medic or waterboy, with no real usefulness aside from equipment deployment. I would argue that all logis should have the hacking bonus. The logi suit is a larger sig and easier to find making it rather balanced for someone with a hacking bonus.

As for not logi enough, I support my team by hacking points, deploying equipment and shooting people. How is this not a support role?

I still think you are pushing for this because you don't have a hacking bonus on your suit and are upset about it. I also see this as not fixing any of the issues with a non-bonus bonus. Yes deploying more equipment is great, but this doesn't address the low shield regen rate of the minmatar logi suit or the fact that the cost to deploy in a proto suit is more than 3x the cost of the equivalent meta assault suit due to the increased amount of equipment carried. Yes I carry equipment, if I could carry more I would, but that doesn't mean I feel that the bonus currently on the suit is wrong or not in line with a logi suit bonus. I specifically skilled minmatar for that particular bonus and still have several ranks in hacking because it is still not fast enough for me. Survival of a logi is more important at this point, the hack bonus is the way to go.

It's funny how this is seen as a scout ability and yet scouts can have the same ability too through systems hacking. Go figure...

No, nothing in this game was meant to have exclusivity. What happened to all the joy in theory crafting to find that extra special, or even unorthodox fitting? The past few months, it's been all about "Assaults are supposed to be slayers, heavies should be doing this, logis are supposed to be pack mules with a repper as their primary weapon...blah, blah, blah." All this forum butthurt is sucking the fun and creativity out of this goddamned game. People should be allowed to make whatever fit they want and play how they want- it's what makes this game different. Saying something should only be exclusive to x, or y shouldn't be doing this is turning this into another cookie cutter FPS.

But if you want to argue specifics, the hacking bonus shouldn't even be Minmatar anyway since they're the worst race when it comes to EWAR.

You may not want to play support, but with a logi suit you don't really have to; you can play solo and set remote explosives to get a bunch of kills, know the enemy's location with active scanner, and resupply your REs with a nanohive to make more kaboom.

I agree with all EXCEPT the Cal Logi bonus. Please tell me how exactly that would affect Drop Uplinks?

It seems I hit a nerve, perhaps it was the "logical fallacy" you claim I made but I was simply asking the question. The current min-logi bonus was originally in response to a previously scout bonus (closed beta I think) that made the scout an almost invisible hacker and it was declared unbalanced and moved to the minmatar logi to still have at least one suit with the bonus. It does fit and you are arguing that I am off attacking someone. KW is free to state his opinion and I have stated mine. I'm am sorry if it came off like I was trolling but consider how many SP a person requires to fit every suit and play every role. If he has the experience to say yes I have played every role and look here's my SP to prove it or look at all these vids I have of me in every suit using them, then I would say he has the experience required, but IMO he does not. Nor is he a CPM or CCP employee who most likely would be able to play every role and experiment with every module of every suit. I have not been discussing assault suits which I have never used or plan on using. I haven't talked about a lack of tank or PG or CPU and I do believe it possible to fill every slot with proto if you have the right skills, just because you can't doesn't mean I can't.

Thank you for your time, glad someone read my post.

FORUM DRAMA STARTED THIS!

If people weren't blaming a yellow suit with no sidearm and worse base stats killing them when they have two weapons to use, do you think you'd be making this topic? You think if CCP listened to our feedback on how crazy the CaLogi's bonus was before Uprising even came out, we'd be having this discussion? Everything is relative to the point that you can't discuss one thing without the other.

Tell you what, I'm going to empty my equipment slots and brick out my Minmatar logi with all proto gear and weapons and see how much hate mail I can collect from people telling me how I should play my toon.

Hmmm....maybe it could have a more broad skill explanation and decrease the spawn time?

Just because you have an idea doesn't mean you understand their roles or the diversity of good fits that can be made. With my particular suit I normally have all my fitting slots filled in all manner of different roles that you seem to think a Logi should not fill. Get a grip. Don't be mad because I think you are off your rocker, look at what I have told you as an opinion and check things out for yourself, btw Cosgar has a good point about the many different roles that can be filled by any suit, stop trying to pigeon hole me into something that I do or don't do. Go play your desired role of a suit and see if I have a beef about it, hell use my most hated piece of equipment on everyone on your team, the repair tool. I won't tell you that's not what a scout or assault or logi or commando is supposed to do.

So, I recently made a trial EVE account.

I found it interesting that they do the a double bonus for ship type, and then give a separate role bonus when you specialize later.

It reminded me of CCP Remnant's post on suit bonuses back in May where he said they had various changes slated included moving bonuses over to basic suits. That was never expanded on at the time, and hasn't really come up since (you always get the impression the changes are coming soon).

Earlier, I suggested that they should use dual bonuses to make the bonuses more interesting:



..or whatever

Looking at it again, that's actually really similar to how it works in EVE apparently. An Amarr IceCream-Truck skill gets at least two bonuses, like 5% to freezing & 2% to neon signage per level, then a separate role bonus is applied to a variant of that same item (Popsicle Truck) and it still gets a bonus from the Icecream-Truck skill, but it gets the +3% Popsicle storage bonus for the role.

Since Remnant was talking about moving bonuses over to basic suits, maybe he was talking about doing an EVE copy there?

In that scenario we'd have something like:

Amarr Medium Dropsuits:
5% Armor Plate Efficacy Per Level and 5% Heat build-up reduction per level for laser weapons, Scrambler pistol fire-rate increase of 1% per level
Amarr Assault Dropsuits:
1% damage per level
Amarr Logistics Dropsuits:
etc.


Or, to rework using KAGEHOSHI's examples:

Amarr Medium Dropsuits:
5% heat buildup reduction per lv for laser weaponry, 1 armor repair HP/s per lv
Amarr Assault Dropsuit:
1% damage per level of light weapons
Amarr Logistics Dropsuit:
5% reduction of PG/CPU of equipment per lv

So at max rank of all those skills:
Am. Assault: 25% heat reduction, 5 hp/s armor, and 5% to light dmg
Am. Logistics: 25% heat reduction, 5 hp/s armor, and 25% to equip fitting
Am. Medium frame: 25% heat reduction, 5 hp/s armor

or a KAGEHOSHI Min-set:

Min. Assault: 25% projectile and explosive weapon bonus, 150% more equipment/supply carried, and 5% to light dmg
Min. Logistics: 25% projectile and explosive weapon bonus, 150% more equipment/supply carried, and 25% to equip fitting
Min. Medium frame: 25% projectile and explosive weapon bonus, 150% more equipment/supply carried

Of course, I don't think he wrote them with them being used this way in mind. In either case, it creates a very similar situation to EVE (which actually has a similar "get to rank 3, and move along if you want" approach to the ships too). Though it's worth mention that EVE will alter the two bonuses you get for having ranks in the "basic" skill on the special variants. I didn't bother doing that, though CCP could certainly do it that way too:

e.g.:
Amarr Assault Suit:
1. 5% bonus to heat buildup and 1hp/s armor repair PER rank in Amarr Medium Frames
2. 1% light wep damage PER rank in Amarr Assault Suits

The bonus given per rank of Medium frames could vary depending on the suit (that would be more EVE accurate, though not strictly speaking necessary). In that scenario, you'd possibly get different pair of bonuses for "Medium frames" on the Basic, Assault, and Logistics suits.

You would want to continue leveling the medium suit skill to get all the bonuses for it in the other suit, otherwise your logi/assault specs would only partially benefit from the racial bonus to the suit type (it becomes a much more "core" skill that's must-have, and the role bonus skill becomes more diminishing return-like). However the player more interested in advancing into a role quickly could do so.

It also solves the problem of having a suit skill (the "basic" frames) that don't have any passives or do anything.

It's a different way of conceiving of the skills, and you effectively have to think of two bonuses that are racially appropriate. Or, you could also say it's just copying EVE's system to a degree (not-so-new).

Anyhow, I think that's what Remnant was suggesting at the time, if them moving towards that sort of scheme changes what you'd want the bonuses to be:

- CCP Remnant

I don't wanna see more uplinks all over the field.

Also I like my Gallente Fitting bonus.

Commando needs some love, the bonus for weapon reloads based on racial type is kind of lame. Currently it offers all light weapons allowing for diversity and utility (which in reality is the entire point) by splitting up this bonus to racial weapons and the same bonus for every race is kind of bland.

Caldari: bonus to shield regeneration rate 5% / level
Gallante: bonus to ammunition reserves 5% per level
Minmatar: bonus to clip size 4% per level / bonus to weapon swapping speed?

Kagehoshi, for the Caldari Assault bonus, instead of actually increasing the range of rail weaponry, how about they get a bonus that reduces damage fall off? Increasing actual range carries the risk of pushing weapons out of their intended zone (in this case the Magsec is probably at the most risk). Decreasing the damage fall off would feel like a range increase without actually increasing the weapons max range.

I think the amarr sentinel bonus should be a 3% bonus to armor plates instead of 2% to plates and shield extenders, as the bonus to extenders would only give you 7 more shield since there's only one high slot

This.

The rail optimal increase is a very bad idea.

Given the present... kerfluffle, this post seems relevant.