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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:23:00 -
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Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
624
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:27:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault.
Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
23
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:29:00 -
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Yeah, I don't scout but I can see them needing a few more slots in fitting and a passive bonus to scanning, so adv scouts would only be able to be scanned by other adv scouts with adv scanners not a logi/assault with an adv scanner, the same being true for proto level as well. However the numbers need to look to make that a reality should be done asap. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
194
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:32:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Not be seen and flanking seem like a job both assault and scout could do. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
128
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:34:00 -
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Its not the Assaults you have to worry about, its all those Fake logi's that can tank as much EHP as a heavy or Speed tank faster than a scout, or stealth tank better then a scout. Until we get Scout specific modules and equipment, fake logi's will always be able to do our role better |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
223
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:35:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Not be seen and flanking seem like a job both assault and scout could do. Scouts as of now don't have a super definitive role. When they are looked at (Soon TM), they'll likely be given some differentiation.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
378
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:37:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Its not the Assaults you have to worry about, its all those Fake logi's that can tank as much EHP as a heavy or Speed tank faster than a scout, or stealth tank better then a scout. Until we get Scout specific modules and equipment, fake logi's will always be able to do our role better
Ssshhhh - super suit project
Logi AR 514 is the CCP wet dream.
On topic - it seems Op wants Kin Cats to be scout/lights specific and maybe some other modules or weapons. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
624
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:37:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Not be seen and flanking seem like a job both assault and scout could do.
Some people can pull it off in a Tank, others cant pull it off with an Invisibility Module....player skill matters allot here, i am more of the none sneaky type and just go for it, but yeah.
This doesnt mean that scouts dont need some loving, they do.
Suits would be better off if they added full slots to all the suits types and let the player fight it out with what to put on it, leave cpu & pg like it is, just give all the suits all their slots, like this if a lower tier suits sacrificed something, he could put on say better shields.
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Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
130
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:39:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Neither are Logi's but i guess all those Fake logi's just need to hide behind there extra shields and armor just so they can get a kill |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
624
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:48:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Neither are Logi's but i guess all those Fake logi's just need to hide behind there extra shields and armor just so they can get a kill
Yeah dont get me started on Logi's, i specially bought Caldari Logi to 3, bought 1 suit with Aurum for equipment testing on it and it beats my Amarr suit at every statistic.
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:51:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Yeah, I don't scout but I can see them needing a few more slots in fitting and a passive bonus to scanning, so adv scouts would only be able to be scanned by other adv scouts with adv scanners not a logi/assault with an adv scanner, the same being true for proto level as well. However the numbers need to look to make that a reality should be done asap. yeah its beyond me why the scouts have the lowest hp and the least amount of slots
yeah but you scouts get less of a profile andthe most speed
profile does not matter when you pop up near objectives and installations no matter your profile
profile does not matter when line of sight is 80m and AR's can hit from that distance
speed is a non factor this build ask any scout
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1702
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:52:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Icedslayer wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Neither are Logi's but i guess all those Fake logi's just need to hide behind there extra shields and armor just so they can get a kill Yeah dont get me started on Logi's, i specially bought Caldari Logi to 3, bought 1 suit with Aurum for equipment testing on it and it beats my Amarr suit at every statistic.
Stamina? Stamina is where it counts. When you have a lot of stamina you can last longer... |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1585
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:55:00 -
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Compare suits to what they should be, not to another suit built for something different. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:09:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. umm yeah
so you flank unseen and come up behind somebody and shoot your shotty and or swipe your nova knifes and boom he takes no damage or little damage and turns around and sprays his AR and your dead
AR damn near beats every weapon in cqc |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
196
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:30:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. umm yeah so you flank unseen and come up behind somebody and shoot your shotty and or swipe your nova knifes and boom he takes no damage or little damage and turns around and sprays his AR and your dead AR damn near beats every weapon in cqc You forgot the part where the hole platoon comes along out of nowhere and the guy pulls out his mass driver |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2238
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:30:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault. Scout suits are not meant to compete at assaulting, neither are heavies, but everyone wants their scout or heavy to beat Assault Suits at what they are designed for, leanr to use your scout suit for diffrent stuff, like not being seen & flanking. Except that scouts and assaults are given near identical slot layouts as if they are supposed to do the same thing. But you're right, scouts aren't meant for assaulting like assaults, so make them different. Take away their sidearm and given them a second equipment slot. Flanking is something any suit can do, but staying unseen is a bit unique to scouts. So give them something to do while unseen, something that doesn't involve much combat since they aren't meant for that, something like equipment. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1430
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:46:00 -
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I'm going to have fun running a stealth scout with active scanner in 1.5. Finding targets and reaping 15 WP per painted kill for the squad and picking off targets of opportunity? Sounds like my style. Give me a second equipment slot for uplinks and I'll make the scout suit my primary suit. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1802
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:01:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Scouts are faster than assaults but got an extremely low amount of HP.
While assault got good health and got a little bit of speed.
Now in this case if you fit some speed mods on assault they would be faster and scouts would be useless.
My point is that heavies can equip heavy weapons but scouts are no different from assault.
You are overlooking the low profile signature as well. An assault might be able to match the speed, or might be able to match the profile, but not both. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:03:00 -
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magnetic AA and AR range > speed vehicle, active scanners > dampening, precision, range CQC AR > sg or nk "hit detection" slayer, uplink wp > scanning wp
When shottie and 20% mouse sensitivity get fixed ill count it as a scout buff... til then im a lsr tank. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4277
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:14:00 -
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I never understood why people want to continue comparing a scout suit to an assault.
A scout is meant primarily for infiltration, recon, and evasion tactics.
An assault is meant primarily for direct head-on engagements.
Of course, you can try to use the scout as an assault and an assault as a scout but neither suit benefits from doing another suit's job. You also have to take their bonuses into consideration. Slot arrangements alone is hardly going to help. For example:
A Gallente scout gk.0 (prototype) has four low slots and has a bonus towards profile dampening and passive scan range. No other suit, not even the logistics, can compete with that.
Likewise, there is no other suit that can compete with the utility of the logistics dropsuits. Nor can any other suit compete with the HP tanking potential of the heavy suits. Every suit has a purpose. You just have to use that suit for that specific purpose. If you try to use a scout suit as an assault or logistics suit, you're going to die no matter what. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:01:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I never understood why people want to continue comparing a scout suit to an assault.
A scout is meant primarily for infiltration, recon, and evasion tactics.
An assault is meant primarily for direct head-on engagements.
Of course, you can try to use the scout as an assault and an assault as a scout but neither suit benefits from doing another suit's job. You also have to take their bonuses into consideration. Slot arrangements alone is hardly going to help. For example:
A Gallente scout gk.0 (prototype) has four low slots and has a bonus towards profile dampening and passive scan range. No other suit, not even the logistics, can compete with that.
Likewise, there is no other suit that can compete with the utility of the logistics dropsuits. Nor can any other suit compete with the HP tanking potential of the heavy suits. Every suit has a purpose. You just have to use that suit for that specific purpose. If you try to use a scout suit as an assault or logistics suit, you're going to die no matter what. I want to agree but as of right now
I have to armor tank my gk.o and equip an AR or ASCR to even survive in 1.4 I still run my actual scout builds and the survival rate is a joke some games yeah the shotty does its job for me thats like 25% of the time the other75% its taking 4+ direct shots to deplete 85% of their health then I die and scan range is a joke compared to LOS and range of AR's dampeners I put 2 in my lows and still got seen thru a wall due to being near an objective cancels out all dampening |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:10:00 -
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I feel like the LOS at 80m should not be for every suit
or at least when I throw dampeners on it should cut down the range my chevron is seen at
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
200
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Posted - 2013.09.28 12:45:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I never understood why people want to continue comparing a scout suit to an assault.
A scout is meant primarily for infiltration, recon, and evasion tactics.
An assault is meant primarily for direct head-on engagements.
Of course, you can try to use the scout as an assault and an assault as a scout but neither suit benefits from doing another suit's job. You also have to take their bonuses into consideration. Slot arrangements alone is hardly going to help. For example:
A Gallente scout gk.0 (prototype) has four low slots and has a bonus towards profile dampening and passive scan range. No other suit, not even the logistics, can compete with that.
Likewise, there is no other suit that can compete with the utility of the logistics dropsuits. Nor can any other suit compete with the HP tanking potential of the heavy suits. Every suit has a purpose. You just have to use that suit for that specific purpose. If you try to use a scout suit as an assault or logistics suit, you're going to die no matter what. Assault can do that better than a scout talking about caldari assault or maybe logi with 4 high slots and 4 low slots can be super fast and infiltrate or do stuff a scout can the only thing stopping scouts is that assault can wear modules fit for scouts and scouts are pretty much useless. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1483
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Posted - 2013.09.28 13:38:00 -
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Overly nerfed scout seeking same for long quiet walks in peaceful areas such as red zones or behind mountain ranges... we can make sand castles, plant flowers or just sit and take long range potshots at random reds. |
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