You have to remember not everyone plays in a full squad all the time. Scanning does need WPs as well and im happy they are adding it, I just hope it'll work for vehicle scanners.

Say it's the old man pumping his fist syndrome, but the fact is most people will get it to WP horde. Not for the basis of helping their team.

Like the OP stated, everyone is going to get scanners now. Which also nullifies the changes to the radar. Everyone will have a scanner besides the heavy. And everybody will be on radar constantly.

I think a backlash is going to come out of this. If it doesn't, great. But it doesn't feel right. This will bring about more QQ threads. More people not sticking with their roles.

If you weren't out to help your team in the first place, why are you getting WPs for doing something that you wouldn't normally do without it?

Some things just shouldn't be rewarded. My reward is helping the teammates locate the enemies, I didn't need WPs to justify its usage. The strategy and element of New Eden does.

I never said everyone was going to get scanners now...

In fact I'm not even going to get a scanner. wat

Ok. You didn't word it as such. But how else are you going suggest that Precision strikes will come quicker? Why, because squad members are scanning left and right. It's the end result. This will be picked up by other squads as well. So yea, its pretty inevitable that the majority of folks will fit scanners for.

The majority of the community are opportunists not strategists. You are missing that point.

When the flaylock was nerfed, didn't you see a decrease in its use? What about the infamous MD? Weren't there a drop there too?

So you have to wonder, were those users into it because they liked the weapon or was it because it was easier to kill with? They were being opportunists.

So with that data in mind, I no doubt believe that people who didn't even think about scanners are going to jump right into it because of the WPs attributed to it.

Say it's the old man pumping his fist syndrome, but the fact is most people will get it to WP horde. Not for the basis of helping their team.

Like the OP stated, everyone is going to get scanners now. Which also nullifies the changes to the radar. Everyone will have a scanner besides the heavy. And everybody will be on radar constantly.

I think a backlash is going to come out of this. If it doesn't, great. But it doesn't feel right. This will bring about more QQ threads. More people not sticking with their roles.

If you weren't out to help your team in the first place, why are you getting WPs for doing something that you wouldn't normally do without it?

Some things just shouldn't be rewarded. My reward is helping the teammates locate the enemies, I didn't need WPs to justify its usage. The strategy and element of New Eden does.

I'd push for a more incremental reward... say 5 WP or something. If it is small enough then you can apply it to all kinds of situations without really providing an inappropriate incentive.

You could reward WP for finally killing a player (sniper, tank, whatever) that had a kill streak of more than N victims, for example.

We could also get a reward, no matter how minimal, for counter-hacking an objective.

You could also do things like award 1 WP for each 1000 damage causes to suits and vehicles during the game (round down to the nearest 5).

Basically, you can start to measure actual contributions -- which may be more valuable than blowing up installations on your own end of the field that nobody has claimed yet.

CCP shouldn't give WPs for killed scanned targets period.

Also it'll be annoying for
Suit Damage +1
Pop up every few seconds

Well, actually it needed raised in 1.(whatever patch raised squad size to 6 but kept orbital price the same).

combine that with new WP mechanics for things like active scanning and you're going to be seeing a bit too many nukes.

Yeah, I wouldn't image that happening... at the end of the match it shows damage done vs damage taken -- which could drive such a calculation.

I'm all for putting the WP in for the usefulness of the action.

For example, using a nanohive without having caused damage to anything could result in zero WP for the person who dropped the hive. So much for the nanohive circle-jerk being a viable tactic.

There are a lot of opportunistic folks out there.

Lets say that your squad of 6 gets 40% of the kills in a skirmish where you clone the other team. That's 60 kills. Assuming that you get ALL kills from a scan that would be 900 pts from scan kills + 180 from squad leader commendations and MAYBE +180 to +360 for defend order commendations. So scanning MIGHT help you get an additional HALF of an orbital.

CCP shouldn't give WP for anything, period.

Yeah, let's completely destroy any reason to play logistics. We're already getting nerfed to hell anyway right?

Then if you include a logi, thats another 800WP from ammo, spawns, heals, revives. Then say you as a team cap 3 points thats another 300WP plus hack assists, then you hack, cru turrets and supply depots. Now all of sudden you can stack upto 3 OB as a squad. Half an orbital is lot from scanning, if we are giving out more warpoints we need to make it harder to achieve an OB without squad commendations, logistics play and scanner play.

OB is a tool for the effective team!
Are you an effective team? (Oblivion reference)

I forgot to calculate that more than one person can get points from scan kills so you could be looking at well over 1000 pts from scanning. But I realy don't think 3 OBs is too much. OBs can pretty much ensure that people don't proto stomp because they are hard to defend against.

They could do a lot of different things with WP. Like give you 25% more WP for being in the right suit for your actions.


-Heavies/assaults get +65 pts for kills while logistics get +35 and scouts +50.
-Logistics players get the most points (+25%) for reps (+30)/hacking(+20%)/revives(+75)
-Scouts get the most points for scanning, spawns, and assists.
-Commandos give squads a +30% commendation bonus rather than a +20%

kill +0 WP
hack +0 wp
MCC kill +0 wp
suicide other teammates +0 wp



i love it. no more orbitals, ever again.

honestly i do have an idea for match maker fails.
just like other ranked matches, a battle rank. yea at first there will be no data but then once its been running for a while it'll balance itself out.

kill a hit ranked guy +12
die from a noob -3
might as well go full MMO with matchmaker.