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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Bites tongue.
... the only thing I am going to say about this is its not that big of a deal to eve player if you blow up their colonies. It really isn't.
I agree with IWS. Planetary Interaction is a passive source of income that is very minimal in Eve. Impacting this in Eve via Dust will not drive up Eve interest, as only a very small percentage of Eve players are involved in PI, and the cost to them when you destroy a colony would be minimal even then.
If you want a better link between the two games, you need something that is big in terms of value and risk.
I am opposed to taking over a Titan by way of Dust merc, but this is a better example of how to link the games closer together. |
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:47:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Bites tongue.
... the only thing I am going to say about this is its not that big of a deal to eve player if you blow up their colonies. It really isn't. It's true the PI people in EVE are regarded as "different" along with the POS manager's of EVE.... But it's what run's EVE current ice block formula and alot of tech production.... Dust Merc's having a direct impact galaxy wide on supply and demand no matter how little attention High security people have about PI.... will ultimately change how this relationship works and our worth..... Eventually for example; Being used as part of cutting alliance resource's and income as the pre cursor to a full out offensive EVE side attack. PI has already been talked about in EVE, existing only in low security and null sec thus giving us a real avenue to play and discover our worth and place in the galaxy. Edit* this being a massive first step and implementation as us for tools of conquest... to maybe eventual Outpost flipping scenario's.
But most of this is in nullsec or wormholes, and Dust does not exist in nullsec or wormholes yet. The PI in lowsec and highsec is very minimal and very low in terms of income. |
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:48:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I will further state in order to make it matter would almost require redoing PI into a 2.0 of things first and foremost. it's not the individual player wealth, IMO. I have a couple years in EVE, and if PI resources just stopped, POS networks and tech production would become massively more expensive as supply is cut and demand increases. Yes Planetary interaction as to right now in the EVE model, would have a hard time fitting well with DUST. Purely because Pi is an archaic system in EVE that hasn't been touched for years before DUST concept was drawn out. And thus should give a perfect collaboration development project between CCP Iceland and CCP shanghai... To benefit both of their product's simultaneously.
See my last post - you can't stop the nullsec and wormhole production with the current deployment of Dust, and so the impact would be very minimal. CCP does not want to introduct Dust into wormholes at all, and will be extremely cautious in how it impacts nullsec - so much so that we are still years away from this at best. |
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:56:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:DootDoot wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I will further state in order to make it matter would almost require redoing PI into a 2.0 of things first and foremost. it's not the individual player wealth, IMO. I have a couple years in EVE, and if PI resources just stopped, POS networks and tech production would become massively more expensive as supply is cut and demand increases. Yes Planetary interaction as to right now in the EVE model, would have a hard time fitting well with DUST. Purely because Pi is an archaic system in EVE that hasn't been touched for years before DUST concept was drawn out. And thus should give a perfect collaboration development project between CCP Iceland and CCP shanghai... To benefit both of their product's simultaneously. See my last post - you can't stop the nullsec and wormhole production with the current deployment of Dust, and so the impact would be very minimal. CCP does not want to introduct Dust into wormholes at all, and will be extremely cautious in how it impacts nullsec - so much so that we are still years away from this at best. Wormhole PI other then c5 and up is pointless to talk about., and being only a handful that exist to the point where people can quote their names off by memory? yea... 0.0 is a MUST for DUST, that would be the whole point of planet's and DUST. Was it to fight in high security? or even FW? lol FW wasn't even considered until its popularity within DUST.
I agree, but CCP is not going to endanger the entire sov warfare system to accomodate Dust unless they are certain of the impact it will have. Just not going to happen. |
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Posted - 2013.09.24 21:10:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You are drastically overestimating the value of PI in EVE. PI in a small picture is not much in EVE, most EVE players don't know how it even works, and takes some hour's of tutorial's before they even grasp it. but PI in the big picture of running an alliance? is massive... And running a moon mining network and Technetium production (which literally runs EVE even high security) Let's not even think about manufacturing and ship cost changes. POS fuel and iceblock production, and tech 2 production in EVE. Its that much of an essential resource source in how the entire EVE galaxy works. And our chance to put our mark on the galaxy.
Again, you are talking about taking Dust to nullsec which we aren't ready for yet. CCP is rightly not doing this to keep from screwing over sov in nullsec. Your idea, while admirable, is badly timed and thought out. The only impact this would have is in high and lowsec, where PI is very minimal in terms of game impact. |
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Posted - 2013.09.24 21:26:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:
Again, you are talking about taking Dust to nullsec which we aren't ready for yet. CCP is rightly not doing this to keep from screwing over sov in nullsec. Your idea, while admirable, is badly timed and thought out. The only impact this would have is in high and lowsec, where PI is very minimal in terms of game impact.
If both alliances have the same tool's? Screwing over Sov? And "they?" purpose to have a stagnate literally die for nothing game until they feel comfortable with inconveniencing the EVE PVP population? years from now? This is what needs to be worked on, the direct connection with EVE and its player driven story and FW is not the answer... its something to placate people who don't know it has wayyyyyy less value in EVE then the resources you get from PI.
Yes it does - it adds new complexity and more resources to defend. If a nullsec alliance has 0 presence in Dust, and another has a huge precense, then it opens up the door for the alliance with a Dust presence to attack the other alliance in a way that could easily cause their downfall. The defenders have to have a realistic way to react to that attack, and that means research and development of a completely new set of Dust and Eve mechanics that never existed. Given where Dust is today, and that Eve has a set plan for the next 18-24 months of development, what you are suggesting would 1) have little time to be tested by CCP to ensure viability in Eve, and 2) require completely changing the next 18-24 months of planned development for Eve.
You're missing one important fact here as well - the "PvP Eve community" are the ones paying for the development of Dust. There is no way that if Dust had to survive on mercenary pack sells that they would be able to fully develop this game moving forward. If you break Eve to accommodate Dust, you break Dust. Changes have to be made in such a way when dealing with the link between the two games that does not break either game in the process. PI in nullsec is not the answer (yet). We are too far away from doing this responsibly. There has to be a better way to improve the link without destroying a major game mechanic in the process. |
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